Paleo diets = weight gain

[LazyLion]

Researchers say the science is in on low-carb, high-fat diets — they don’t work and can cause health problems...

The low-carbohydrate Paleo diet that is becoming increasingly popular as a way to lose weight may instead make you fat and even cause symptoms of pre-diabetes, according to new research.

The finding, detailed in a paper in Nature journal Nutrition and Diabetes, has prompted a warning against fad diets which have little or no scientific evidence behind them.

Diabetes researcher at the University of Melbourne’s Department of Medicine, based at the Austin Hospital, Associate Professor Sof Andrikopoulos, was interested to learn whether the Paleo diet could benefit patients with diabetes or pre-diabetes...

Full Article here...
https://pursuit.unimelb.edu.au/articles/paleo-diets-weight-gain

 

[Sinbad]

bollocks.

 

[Kosmik]

/me looks in mirror after one year on LCHF

Rubbish.

 

[Ancalagon]

His research group took two groups of overweight mice with pre-diabetes symptoms and put one group on a low-carbohydrate, high-fat (LCHF) diet similar to Paleo diets. The other group remained on their normal diet.

So in other words, a Paleo diet is bad for mice. Hmmm.

 

[Batista]

Feels wrong to eat high fat while im on my low carb diet.So im doing low carb low fat and high protein.Its working extremely well.But i do take one day a week and eat normally to flood my body with carbs and fats.

 

[RanzB]

“If you put someone with a sedentary lifestyle on a high-fat, low-carb diet, I bet you that person will gain weight.”

Lol

For someone who is already overweight, this diet would increase blood sugar and insulin levels and could actually pre-dispose that person to diabetes.

Loller

 

[RanzB]

So in other words, a Paleo diet is bad for mice. Hmmm.

Stop acting like mice and humans aren't exactly the same, bro.

 

[Sinbad]

Feels wrong to eat high fat while im on my low carb diet.So im doing low carb low fat and high protein.Its working extremely well.But i do take one day a week and eat normally to flood my body with carbs and fats.

Get over the feeling wrong
Nothing wrong with it at all

 

[swift412]

The carbohydrate content of the LCHFD was exclusively derived from simple sugar (sucrose: 106 g kg−1). The fat content of this diet was derived from 55% saturated, 37% monounsaturated and 8% polyunsaturated fats, by weight. The chow diet contained 13.5 MJ kg−1 digestible energy, with 2.7 MJ or 20% coming from protein, 9.5 MJ or 70% from carbohydrate and 1.4 MJ or 10% from fat (Supplementary Table S2).

Ingredient g/kg
Cocoa Butter 400
Sucrose 106
Canola oil 100
Clarified butter fat (Ghee) 100

I was under the distinct impression that none of those were considered paleo food...

 

[Ancalagon]

The researchers used mice for the study, because their genetic, biological and behavioural characteristics closely resemble those of humans.

They gained 15 per cent of their body weight and their fat mass doubled from two per cent to almost four per cent.

Find me a human with 2 percent body fat who isn't a corpse yet.

What a pathetic article!

13% coming from protein, 1.5 MJ or 6% from carbohydrate and 19.5 MJ or 81% from fat

Also a much higher fat ratio that is commonly recommended. Not enough protein. Plus sucrose means that even if this diet was LCHF, it is not paleo. Paleo people don't eat sugar.

EDIT: Oh and the rodents could eat as much as they liked. The food provided for in the LCHF diet was far more energy dense than the regular food diet. Uh, not really surprised.

Which means he was not controlling for the amount of food eaten in a day.

 

[Stevi]

So in other words, a Paleo diet is bad for mice. Hmmm.

IIRC we have similar reactions to food groups

 

[Nerfherder]

Researchers say the science is in on low-carb, high-fat diets — they don’t work and can cause health problems...



Full Article here...
https://pursuit.unimelb.edu.au/articles/paleo-diets-weight-gain

First off... the Paleo is not banting and its also not nessisarily LCHF.

Rest looks rubbish as well. If anything Paleo and Banting are only really going to work for Diabetics and pre diabetics.

 

[LazyLion]

Response from Chef Pete Evans to the study

https://www.facebook.com/paleochefp...9278773165517/979377992155587/?type=3&theater

YOU HAVE TO LAUGH AT WHAT THE SO CALLED "PROFESSIONALS" ARE SPROUTING THIS WEEK, as they keep digging a deeper and deeper hole for themselves!

The media and also the health organisations are once again clutching at straws. This time it is a study done on Mice - yep you heard that right...mice! You do have to ask the question...who is funding this study, does this university or the professor have any ties with any pharmeceutical or multinational funding? Here is a bit from the esteemed professor....“You need to speak to proper health professionals — speak to your GP, seek advice from a registered dietitian, get exercises advice — rather than listening to Pete Evans who says this is great.”

Perhaps this professor might like to work with real scientists who are passionate about getting the TRUTH out there and doing studies on...wait for it....HUMANS (and yes, no mice where harmed in this study...) in which they were fed real food and the outcome was....well I will let you read it at the bottom of this post.

The amount of Australians that have reached out to me to say how the paleo way have helped their type 2 diabetes is amazing, so much so that a lot are off all their medication, proves and illustrates that this way of life is working for so many people. With close to 1 million Australians with type 2 diabetes, the paleo way is a bloody good place to start and of course consult with your healthy health professional that is up to do date with the latest science.

For more information on paleo then visit www.thepaleoway.com

ORIGINAL ARTICLE
Metabolic and physiologic effects from consuming
a hunter-gatherer (Paleolithic)-type diet in type 2 diabetes

U Masharani1, P Sherchan1, M Schloetter2, S Stratford1, A Xiao1, A Sebastian1,2, M Nolte Kennedy1 and L Frassetto1

BACKGROUND/OBJECTIVES: The contemporary American diet figures centrally in the pathogenesis of numerous chronic diseases– 'diseases of civilization'– such as obesity and diabetes. We investigated in type 2 diabetes whether a diet similar to that consumed by our pre-agricultural hunter-gatherer ancestors ('Paleolithic' type diet) confers health benefits.

SUBJECTS/METHODS: We performed an outpatient, metabolically controlled diet study in type 2 diabetes patients. We compared the findings in 14 participants consuming a Paleo diet comprising lean meat, fruits, vegetables and nuts, and excluding added salt, and non-Paleolithic-type foods comprising cereal grains, dairy or legumes, with 10 participants on a diet based on recommendations by the American Diabetes Association (ADA) containing moderate salt intake, low-fat dairy, whole grains and legumes. There were three ramp-up diets for 7 days, then 14 days of the test diet. Outcomes included the following: mean arterial blood pressure; 24-h urine electrolytes; hemoglobin A1c and fructosamine levels; insulin resistance by euglycemic hyperinsulinemic clamp and lipid levels.

RESULTS: Both groups had improvements in metabolic measures, but the Paleo diet group had greater benefits on glucose control and lipid profiles. Also, on the Paleo diet, the most insulin-resistant subjects had a significant improvement in insulin sensitivity (r = 0.40, P = 0.02), but no such effect was seen in the most insulin-resistant subjects on the ADA diet (r = 0.39, P = 0.3).

CONCLUSIONS: Even short-term consumption of a Paleolithic-type diet improved glucose control and lipid profiles in people with type 2 diabetes compared with a conventional diet containing moderate salt intake, low-fat dairy, whole grains and legumes.
European Journal of Clinical Nutrition advance online publication, 1 April 2015; doi:10.1038/ejcn.2015.39

 

[Ancalagon]

IIRC we have similar reactions to food groups

But we don't have the same endocrine systems. Also as mentioned above, no human could survive on 2% body fat for very long.

 

[Kosmik]

Can anyone says what the difference is between Paleo and LCHF, look very similar to me although LCHF allows eating of cultured dairy: cheese , cream etc - more cultured the better from what I understand.

 

[Ancalagon]

Can anyone says what the difference is between Paleo and LCHF, look very similar to me although LCHF allows eating of cultured dairy: cheese , cream etc - more cultured the better from what I understand.

As far as I know, paleo allows very few carbs, if any. No legumes (ie peanuts or beans) and I don't think any grains either. No dairy either, I think. You are supposed to eat vegetables, meat and healthy fats.

Most paleo.. um adherents also tend to focus on it being more of a lifestyle and less of a diet. So, you are supposed to move more, play more, and exercise more.

LCHF is just low carb, medium protein, high fat. How you get to those numbers is up to you.

 

[JazzeD]

Paleo is not high fat.

Paleo and Banting is very very different.

 

[DJ...]

Feels wrong to eat high fat while im on my low carb diet.So im doing low carb low fat and high protein.Its working extremely well.But i do take one day a week and eat normally to flood my body with carbs and fats.

Protein amino acids break down into glucose whereas the suggested ketogenic amino acids in most low carb "diets" (note, not all - most truly are fads and the morons don't understand what they're advising) supported by science break down into acetyl-CoA which is kind of the basis for ketogenic principles as it is the precusrsor to shifting the body away from glucose dependence. It breaks down into carbon dioxide in the citric acid cycle while stimulating ketone development in the body.

So if you're doing this to avoid glucose (cutting out the sugar and carbs) then you're largely defeating the purpose by substituting fat requirements for protein.

Eating fats does not cause one to get fat - that is a complete fabrication not supported by science. It's broken down into its constituents during metabolism so really, fundamentally and biologically it's such a nonsense line of thinking that for some reason has been brainwashed into people. In all likelihood if we called consumption fats 'lipids' or any other name this misunderstanding and fear wouldn't exist.

Certain fats (long chain fats) can contribute to poor cardiovascular health and can also contribute to metabolic syndrome development. However this is more nuanced than meets the eye and has to do with why certain types of long chain fats are bad. Animal fats are awesome though, and we should be consuming more in our diet, and spending time understanding why, which will lead one to the citric acid cycle, ATP cycle, cyclic AMP, ATP:AMP ratios and how that influences signal transduction and therefore the metabolic pathways etc.

Once people take responsibility for better understanding these things, we're in a better position to make decisions based on knowledge rather than "feelings". I sang lyrics once that went "I got a feeling, that tonight's gonna be a good night". That night was schit. Feelings are not scientific - they're fundamentally subjective or at least interpreted as such by our brains. Feelings also make for a really schit diet. I occasionally feel like eating chocolate. That doesn't mean it's suddenly good for me. Science helps us to understand how our body works. Feelings don't, and in fact often stand in the way of that. Case in point above...

 

[Ancalagon]

Protein amino acids break down into glucose

Not sure what you are saying here? All proteins are made up of amino acids, and they only get converted into glucose if there is nothing more useful for them to do (ie repair cells).

whereas the suggested ketogenic amino acids in most low carb "diets"

I think you mean fatty acids here. In any case, being in a ketogenic state has less to do with what you eat and more to do with glycogen depletion. Its possible to enter a ketogenic state while eating carbs and no fats - its just a lot more difficult. You would probably have to go on a long distance run to deplete your glycogen, then you would enter ketosis and start burning your existing fat stores.

 

[Bobbin]

Can anyone says what the difference is between Paleo and LCHF, look very similar to me although LCHF allows eating of cultured dairy: cheese , cream etc - more cultured the better from what I understand.

Paleo is trying to eat like a caveman before agriculture and processed foods took over the world. It's intention is to eat naturally as evolution intended because agriculture and processed foods are too recent for our bodies to have adapted in time. But Paleo isn't too worried by the ratio of calorie types (Carb, Protein, Fat) as far as I know as long as it was likely what a caveman would have eaten in the same quantity. It does avoid certain vegetables though. Even a potato is actually poisonous in nature and a caveman would likely not have eaten it.

Banting is especially pursuant of a LCHF ratio which also means avoiding many agricultural or processed foods. It maintains we aren't made to eat carbs all that much, that protein is wasted after a certain quantity and thus the rest of our diet should be fat. It also postulates that fat isn't as unhealthy as we think, that carbs are a major cause of disease and obesity and our eating habits are a victim of capitalism (Corn industry for one) and not in any way driven by a good unbiased focus on health. Even consuming low fat foods actually makes you more fat - go check out low fat milk and see that it has more carbs (Something's gotta replace the fat taken away right?). EDIT- Oh and I forgot the whole Ketosis thing. Basically you derive cleaner energy in the body from fat than from carbs but your body only does this when you have been off carbs for a while. So if you really do LCHF right only then will you see this benefit and high fat consumption actually becomes beneficial and unharmful - because its used. But any minor screw up in carb intake will switch off ketosis so you then lose the benefit and can possibly be worse off - therefore LCHF diet has to be performed strictly or else its useless.

I think that is the gist of it, hopefully not too many errors.