Passive smoking a real danger

[bwana]

Second-hand smoke not only damages the delicate cells that line blood vessels but also disrupts the body's natural repair mechanism for those cells, a new study shows.

The research was done because there still are sceptics who doubt the health value of public smoking bans, said study co-author Stanton A. Glantz, professor of medicine at the University of California, San Francisco, Centre for Tobacco Control Research and Education.

Seems to be a bone of contention to many.

BTW - I think for the sake of argument we can say yes - car/industrial exhaust is dangerous but irrelevant to this particular discussion.

 

[HavocXphere]

I just accept it. There are so many dangers to my life every day (e.g. car accident) that I'm not going to sweat a bit of smoke floating my way.

Most of the smokers I know have the decency to make an effort to blow the smoke in a different direction.

 

[Kasyx]

I, personally, cannot stand it. I hate coming home from a pub/club stinking of cigarette smoke; it is disgusting and no matter how often I wash my hair it will not dissipate. I'm generally tolerant, but when someone else's addiction actually makes me stink, I get a bit pissed off.

In terms of the health risks, I have found that the law banning smoking in public places (i.e. not in a designated smoking area) has helped, however a lot of clubs/pubs don't enforce it. Just last week I nearly had my eye put out by some drunken idiot waving his cigarette around on the dance floor (have a nasty burn mark right between my eyes ). People have the right to kill themselves however they choose, but what sucks about smoking is that it appears they aren't just killing themselves...

 

[Ou grote]

ras

 

[bwana]

ras

What spam?

 

[Ou grote]

What spam?

Non smoker whiney, whiney spam
Should have a button for that.

 

[Kasyx]

Non smoker whiney, whiney spam
Should have a button for that.

We're sorry, in future we will just shut up and take it whilst you smokers sit there slowly killing us with your second-hand smoke

 

[Ou grote]

We're sorry, in future we will just shut up and take it whilst you smokers sit there slowly killing us with your second-hand smoke

Tx, and buy your own smokes please - freeloaders.

 

[w1z4rd]

I think they should ban all booze! do you know how much people drinking effects the lives of innocents?

 

[Kasyx]

Tx, and buy your own smokes please - freeloaders.

That's exactly it; if we WANTED to smoke, we would BUY OUR OWN CIGARETTES. But we don't want to smoke, yet are forced to anyway by inconsiderate smokers blowing their filthy habit in our faces.

 

[Ou grote]

That's exactly it; if we WANTED to smoke, we would BUY OUR OWN CIGARETTES. But we don't want to smoke, yet are forced to anyway by inconsiderate smokers blowing their filthy habit in our faces.

non smokers can suck my butts.

 

[bwana]

non smokers can suck my butts.

The whole littering aspect (and subsequent starting of fires) is best left to another thread in a different section I think.

 

[Ou grote]

The whole littering aspect (and subsequent starting of fires) is best left to another thread in a different section I think.

 

[Kasyx]

I think alf is suffering from a guilty conscience

 

[Ou grote]

I think alf is suffering from a guilty conscience

Still in the denial stage.

 

[w1z4rd]

That's a completely different argument and not directly comparable.

If you are an ass who smokes and puts peoples lives in danger or an ass who drinks and puts peoples lives in danger... same thing to me. Still putting people lives in dangers.

But I suppose if hypocracy is your middle name... you wouldnt see that

Lots of pots and kettles here.

 

[The_Techie]

I'd prefer not being killed by second-hand smoke if it's all the same to them...

 

[Ou grote]

....
Perhaps Alf will tell us about the dangerous affects on smoker pilots of hypoxia?

Rarely go above 10 000 feet, so not an issue.
Takes too long to get there.

 

[LoneGunman]

anyone worked out the statistical odds on being killed (or harmed) by
second hand smoke?

in the SA context, I'd suggest that the cancers will come from the unfiltered
car exhausts which are clearly present in the air and which can be smelled
everywhere.

its bad science to position yourself for an argument against smoking,
as a
'breather of otherwise good air - except when some cigarette smoke is nearby' -
given that this is not the reality to begin with.

Non smokers are smoking the equivalent of perhaps a pack a day, from the bad particle-clogged air in SA cities, to begin with.

Then there's a wide range of environmental poisons - ranging from bisphenol (recently
banned in Canada - which is inherent to most plastic containers) - through to aspartame and artificial sweeteners, (which cause brain lesions, parkinson's) fluroide in water and toothpastes - which is a toxic byproduct from heavy metal industries, asbestos (in many older SA buildings) which kickstarts lung cancers,
nitrates in meats, toxic organophosphates in fertilizers on vegetables, toxins in household cleaners leaving chemical residues to be absorbed with every meal..

On and on..

The average non smoker is - like it or not - only fractionally healthier, than the average smoker, given that both are existing in a dense chemical soup of pollutants and toxins.

Furthermore, its all about genetics. 'Not smoking' versus 'smoking' statistically might cause 2 -6 years difference in life span, MAYBE.

Its very funny watching people who are inherently diseased and polluted, coughing their way through the smog of breathed in chemicals, and struggling against ingested chemicals and pollutants, on a daily basis, thinking they're cleverer, or 'healthier' than others, who happen to light tubes of treated tobacco and draw it into their lungs periodically.

 

[Ou grote]

anyone worked out the statistical odds on being killed (or harmed) by
second hand smoke?

in the SA context, I'd suggest that the cancers will come from the unfiltered
car exhausts which are clearly present in the air and which can be smelled
everywhere.

its bad science to position yourself for an argument against smoking,
as a
'breather of otherwise good air - except when some cigarette smoke is nearby' -
given that this is not the reality to begin with.

Non smokers are smoking the equivalent of perhaps a pack a day, from the bad particle-clogged air in SA cities, to begin with.

Then there's a wide range of environmental poisons - ranging from bisphenol (recently
banned in Canada - which is inherent to most plastic containers) - through to aspartame and artificial sweeteners, (which cause brain lesions, parkinson's) fluroide in water and toothpastes - which is a toxic byproduct from heavy metal industries, asbestos (in many older SA buildings) which kickstarts lung cancers,
nitrates in meats, toxic organophosphates in fertilizers on vegetables, toxins in household cleaners leaving chemical residues to be absorbed with every meal..

On and on..

The average non smoker is - like it or not - only fractionally healthier, than the average smoker, given that both are existing in a dense chemical soup of pollutants and toxins.

Furthermore, its all about genetics. 'Not smoking' versus 'smoking' statistically might cause 2 -6 years difference in life span, MAYBE.

Its very funny watching people who are inherently diseased and polluted, coughing their way through the smog of breathed in chemicals, and struggling against ingested chemicals and pollutants, on a daily basis, thinking they're cleverer, or 'healthier' than others, who happen to light tubes of treated tobacco and draw it into their lungs periodically.

When there's a high pressure system over Cape Town, and smoggy, u can hardly see the airport from 2km away.
We have to breathe that air.