PC build from Scratch - Help

NickDiablo

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Hi,

Take a look at this build I have selected. I am looking only for advice.

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I also have a 500GB HDD at home I will have to install manually. I also have a license for Windows 7. I have a 1600x900 20 inch Monitor and I am not upgrading for a while.

What do you think?

Also, I need a new Mouse, Keyboard and Headset. And an ergonomic Chair - Can anyone help with this stuff.

For a headset I'm looking at this: https://www.evetech.co.za/steelseries-arctis-raw-gaming-headset/best-deal/5878.aspx
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For Mouse + Keyboard Im looking at this: https://www.evetech.co.za/marvo-km400-g1-3-in-1-gaming-combo/best-deal/6004.aspx
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I'm not sure where to look for good Chairs. Does anyone know where to look? Thanks.
 

ponder

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Order this, it's R12705 without a case so if you pick the same case you have above the total values are the same. You'll get a much better motherboard & cpu, dual fan gpu. Yes some of the items are not in stock but it's better to order and wait, especially for the MB. PS you don't need to buy a cpu cooler as the cpu comes with one ;)

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R3799 - AMD Ryzen 5 3600 Hexa Core 3.6GHz (4.2GHz Boost) Socket AM4 Desktop CPU
https://www.wootware.co.za/amd-ryze...6ghz-4-2ghz-boost-socket-am4-desktop-cpu.html

R1580 - ASRock B450 PRO4 AMD B450 Ryzen Socket AM4 ATX Desktop Motherboard
https://www.wootware.co.za/asrock-b450-pro4-amd-b450-ryzen-socket-am4-atx-desktop-motherboard.html

R1389 - G.Skill F4-3200C16D-16GVKB Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4-3200MHz CL16 1.35V Black Desktop Memory
https://www.wootware.co.za/g-skill-...-3200mhz-cl16-1-35v-black-desktop-memory.html

R4749 - Palit GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Dual OC NE6166TS18J9-1160A 6GB GDDR6 192-bit PCI-E 3.0 Desktop Graphics Card
https://www.wootware.co.za/palit-ge...-192-bit-pci-e-3-0-desktop-graphics-card.html

R659 - Super Flower SF-450P14HE Bronze King 450W 80 Plus Bronze Certified Non-Modular Black Desktop Power Supply
https://www.wootware.co.za/super-fl...d-non-modular-black-desktop-power-supply.html

R529 - Mushkin MKNSSDSR250GB Source 250GB 3D TLC SATA 6Gb/s 2.5" Solid State Drive
https://www.wootware.co.za/mushkin-...-3d-tlc-sata-6gb-s-2-5-solid-state-drive.html
 

NickDiablo

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Order this, it's R12705 without a case so if you pick the same case you have above the total values are the same. You'll get a much better motherboard & cpu, dual fan gpu. Yes some of the items are not in stock but it's better to order and wait, especially for the MB. PS you don't need to buy a cpu cooler as the cpu comes with one ;)

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R3799 - AMD Ryzen 5 3600 Hexa Core 3.6GHz (4.2GHz Boost) Socket AM4 Desktop CPU
https://www.wootware.co.za/amd-ryze...6ghz-4-2ghz-boost-socket-am4-desktop-cpu.html

R1580 - ASRock B450 PRO4 AMD B450 Ryzen Socket AM4 ATX Desktop Motherboard
https://www.wootware.co.za/asrock-b450-pro4-amd-b450-ryzen-socket-am4-atx-desktop-motherboard.html

R1389 - G.Skill F4-3200C16D-16GVKB Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4-3200MHz CL16 1.35V Black Desktop Memory
https://www.wootware.co.za/g-skill-...-3200mhz-cl16-1-35v-black-desktop-memory.html

R4749 - Palit GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Dual OC NE6166TS18J9-1160A 6GB GDDR6 192-bit PCI-E 3.0 Desktop Graphics Card
https://www.wootware.co.za/palit-ge...-192-bit-pci-e-3-0-desktop-graphics-card.html

R659 - Super Flower SF-450P14HE Bronze King 450W 80 Plus Bronze Certified Non-Modular Black Desktop Power Supply
https://www.wootware.co.za/super-fl...d-non-modular-black-desktop-power-supply.html

R529 - Mushkin MKNSSDSR250GB Source 250GB 3D TLC SATA 6Gb/s 2.5" Solid State Drive
https://www.wootware.co.za/mushkin-...-3d-tlc-sata-6gb-s-2-5-solid-state-drive.html

Thanks. Do you recommend anywhere to look for PC chairs?
And if I order all the PC parts from woowtware, would they build it for me?
 

ponder

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is 450W enough?

Plenty, if you use 250W it would be a lot.

1660ti = 120W tdp
3600 = 65W tdp
mb/ram/hdd/ssd = ~20W

Look at the cpu&gpu power draw. you can also verify with one of the online psu calculators.
 

NickDiablo

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Plenty, if you use 250W it would be a lot.

1660ti = 120W tdp
3600 = 65W tdp
mb/ram/hdd/ssd = ~20W

Look at the cpu&gpu power draw. you can also verify with one of the online psu calculators.

Cool thanks, do you recommend Buying Wootware PC Assembly and Stresstesting or is it a waste of money.
 

ponder

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Cool thanks, do you recommend Buying Wootware PC Assembly and Stresstesting or is it a waste of money.

Depends on you, some people are not comfortable building their own in which case it's fine. I personally don't have a need for it as I prefer to build my own.
 

Caldo

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NickDiablo, I am also in the process of building my own PC.
I have not purchased as yet, I am stuck at confirming the qvl RAM for the motherboard i want to purchase.
I will share my shoppingcart just before I purchased
 

Saieden

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Why the 1660ti if you're not upgrading your monitor? An RX 570 4GB will give you 60fps at that resolution for nearly half the price.

I would strongly advise against getting less than 550W (600W+ ideally). You're severely limiting your upgrade options by not having 2x 8 pin pcie. Actual max power draw for the 3600 is 88W, and that's if you don't overlock (including PBO)

250GB SSD is also really small these days, once they're close to full they also lose a lot performance.

Personally I also don't like that motherboard, the Bazooka Plus is a much better buy for a little more since it has a decent VRM heatsink and good features, including BIOS flashback that doesn't require a 1st/2nd gen CPU if you decide to build it yourself.

Your cooler is really nice, but also a little overkill for the CPU. You can save a few buffaloes by going with a smaller cooler that will keep it under control and remain fairly quite.

Here's my recommendation. Adding an extra high-airflow fan for the rear would not be a bad idea either.
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NickDiablo

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Why the 1660ti if you're not upgrading your monitor? An RX 570 4GB will give you 60fps at that resolution for nearly half the price.

I would strongly advise against getting less than 550W (600W+ ideally). You're severely limiting your upgrade options by not having 2x 8 pin pcie. Actual max power draw for the 3600 is 88W, and that's if you don't overlock (including PBO)

250GB SSD is also really small these days, once they're close to full they also lose a lot performance.

Personally I also don't like that motherboard, the Bazooka Plus is a much better buy for a little more since it has a decent VRM heatsink and good features, including BIOS flashback that doesn't require a 1st/2nd gen CPU if you decide to build it yourself.

Your cooler is really nice, but also a little overkill for the CPU. You can save a few buffaloes by going with a smaller cooler that will keep it under control and remain fairly quite.

Here's my recommendation. Adding an extra high-airflow fan for the rear would not be a bad idea either.
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Well the 1660ti at 900p will result in higher frames per second won't it?
Do you know what fps Fallout 4 ultra could get with a RX 570 4GB?

And what about this mobo: https://www.wootware.co.za/asrock-b450-pro4-amd-b450-ryzen-socket-am4-atx-desktop-motherboard.html ?
 

NickDiablo

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Order this, it's R12705 without a case so if you pick the same case you have above the total values are the same. You'll get a much better motherboard & cpu, dual fan gpu. Yes some of the items are not in stock but it's better to order and wait, especially for the MB. PS you don't need to buy a cpu cooler as the cpu comes with one ;)

View attachment 681455

R3799 - AMD Ryzen 5 3600 Hexa Core 3.6GHz (4.2GHz Boost) Socket AM4 Desktop CPU
https://www.wootware.co.za/amd-ryze...6ghz-4-2ghz-boost-socket-am4-desktop-cpu.html

R1580 - ASRock B450 PRO4 AMD B450 Ryzen Socket AM4 ATX Desktop Motherboard
https://www.wootware.co.za/asrock-b450-pro4-amd-b450-ryzen-socket-am4-atx-desktop-motherboard.html

R1389 - G.Skill F4-3200C16D-16GVKB Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4-3200MHz CL16 1.35V Black Desktop Memory
https://www.wootware.co.za/g-skill-...-3200mhz-cl16-1-35v-black-desktop-memory.html

R4749 - Palit GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Dual OC NE6166TS18J9-1160A 6GB GDDR6 192-bit PCI-E 3.0 Desktop Graphics Card
https://www.wootware.co.za/palit-ge...-192-bit-pci-e-3-0-desktop-graphics-card.html

R659 - Super Flower SF-450P14HE Bronze King 450W 80 Plus Bronze Certified Non-Modular Black Desktop Power Supply
https://www.wootware.co.za/super-fl...d-non-modular-black-desktop-power-supply.html

R529 - Mushkin MKNSSDSR250GB Source 250GB 3D TLC SATA 6Gb/s 2.5" Solid State Drive
https://www.wootware.co.za/mushkin-...-3d-tlc-sata-6gb-s-2-5-solid-state-drive.html

Would the Ryzen 5 3600 get better FPS than the Ryzen 5 2600 ?
 

ponder

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Well the 1660ti at 900p will result in higher frames per second won't it?
Do you know what fps Fallout 4 ultra could get with a RX 570 4GB?

And what about this mobo: https://www.wootware.co.za/asrock-b450-pro4-amd-b450-ryzen-socket-am4-atx-desktop-motherboard.html ?

In a previous thread or pm you specified a requirement to run gtav and a few other games at max settings, rx 570 is not going to do that as I still tested it on a 1060 at your resolution. The 1660ti performs at gtx2070 levels will do that and will also serve you well when you eventually decide to upgrade to a new monitor.
 
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ponder

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Would the Ryzen 5 3600 get better FPS than the Ryzen 5 2600 ?

Yes, especially at lower resolutions where ipc & and clock frequencies play a role granted the gpu not being a bottleneck.

I'll respond to saiedens post later, on phone having a beer now.
 

NickDiablo

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In a previous thread or pm you specified a requirement to run gtav and a few other games at max settings, rx 570 is not going to do that as I still tested it at on a 1060 at your resolution. The 1660ti performs at gtx2070 levels will do that and will also serve you well when you eventually decide to upgrade to a new monitor.
True, what FPS do you think GTA V could get at max settings at 900p/1080p resolution with a 1660 ti + ryzen 5 3600?
 

ponder

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True, what FPS do you think GTA V could get at max settings at 900p/1080p resolution with a 1660 ti + ryzen 5 3600?

Not with maxed out MSAA antialiasing but that makes things look blurry anyway imho, with the ingame FXAA yes and also via a external injector like Reshade using SMAA. You'll probably end up modding the game anyway which I recommend, see my post in the what game are you playing thread over in the gaming section for a truly awesome gtav experience https://mybroadband.co.za/forum/threads/what-game-are-you-playing-now.629685/post-23705613
 

ponder

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Why the 1660ti if you're not upgrading your monitor? An RX 570 4GB will give you 60fps at that resolution for nearly half the price.

I would strongly advise against getting less than 550W (600W+ ideally). You're severely limiting your upgrade options by not having 2x 8 pin pcie. Actual max power draw for the 3600 is 88W, and that's if you don't overlock (including PBO)

250GB SSD is also really small these days, once they're close to full they also lose a lot performance.

Personally I also don't like that motherboard, the Bazooka Plus is a much better buy for a little more since it has a decent VRM heatsink and good features, including BIOS flashback that doesn't require a 1st/2nd gen CPU if you decide to build it yourself.

Your cooler is really nice, but also a little overkill for the CPU. You can save a few buffaloes by going with a smaller cooler that will keep it under control and remain fairly quite.

Analysis, deconstruction and motivation to follow.

Why the 1660ti if you're not upgrading your monitor? An RX 570 4GB will give you 60fps at that resolution for nearly half the price.

The OP has expressed on a previous occasion a wish to play GTA5, BF1 etc at max settings at 900p. It simply is not possible on a rx570. GTAV for example simply performs worse on AMD GPUs for starters.
The OPs initial interest was also towards an i5-9400F build. So granted there are background details absent from this particular thread.


I would strongly advise against getting less than 550W (600W+ ideally). You're severely limiting your upgrade options by not having 2x 8 pin pcie. Actual max power draw for the 3600 is 88W, and that's if you don't overlock (including PBO)

For starters that PSU has TWO 6+2 (thus 8 or 6 pin) pcie connectors. It's a very common thing to overspec power supplies, yes a 550W unit would be ideal but it's not required. That build would be lucky to see 280W power draw with all components peaking at max utilisation at the same time which will never happen! That PSU at a push can handle a 3700X & rtx2080 not that I would recommend it.
But let's take this a step further wrt to "future upgradeability". Historically performance increases but power consumption stays more or less the same, GTX960=120W TDP, GTX1060=120W TDP, GTX1660TI=120W TDP. The same holds true for CPUs. So the future proofing argument just flew out the window unless you want to go top end stuff.


250GB SSD is also really small these days, once they're close to full they also lose a lot performance.

We all have budgets we have to work with, if the OP has the budget I will wholly endorse a 1TB SSD as I have one and it's awesome but it will never be at the expense of gpu,cpu&ram.


Personally I also don't like that motherboard, the Bazooka Plus is a much better buy for a little more since it has a decent VRM heatsink and good features, including BIOS flashback that doesn't require a 1st/2nd gen CPU if you decide to build it yourself.

Power delivery wise the bazooka is a bit better but then again nobody is buying these motherboards for setting overclocking records, you will get the same performance out of them for a ryzen 5, the one just for cheaper. If you're not on an absolute low budget get a Tomahawk.


Your cooler is really nice, but also a little overkill for the CPU. You can save a few buffaloes by going with a smaller cooler that will keep it under control and remain fairly quite.

There is zero reasons to encourage a person to buy an aftermarket cooler, the stock one is fine even for a 200MHz overclock.
 

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Analysis, deconstruction and motivation to follow.



The OP has expressed on a previous occasion a wish to play GTA5, BF1 etc at max settings at 900p. It simply is not possible on a rx570. GTAV for example simply performs worse on AMD GPUs for starters.
The OPs initial interest was also towards an i5-9400F build. So granted there are background details absent from this particular thread.




For starters that PSU has TWO 6+2 (thus 8 or 6 pin) pcie connectors. It's a very common thing to overspec power supplies, yes a 550W unit would be ideal but it's not required. That build would be lucky to see 280W power draw with all components peaking at max utilisation at the same time which will never happen! That PSU at a push can handle a 3700X & rtx2080 not that I would recommend it.
But let's take this a step further wrt to "future upgradeability". Historically performance increases but power consumption stays more or less the same, GTX960=120W TDP, GTX1060=120W TDP, GTX1660TI=120W TDP. The same holds true for CPUs. So the future proofing argument just flew out the window unless you want to go top end stuff.




We all have budgets we have to work with, if the OP has the budget I will wholly endorse a 1TB SSD as I have one and it's awesome but it will never be at the expense of gpu,cpu&ram.




Power delivery wise the bazooka is a bit better but then again nobody is buying these motherboards for setting overclocking records, you will get the same performance out of them for a ryzen 5, the one just for cheaper. If you're not on an absolute low budget get a Tomahawk.




There is zero reasons to encourage a person to buy an aftermarket cooler, the stock one is fine even for a 200MHz overclock.
Super flower is good and you're right 450 will handle it easily. But I bought the 550 just in case recently. Still sitting in it's box as a backup
 
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