PC vs Console for Teenager

Xbox > All for subscriptions and value I reckon.

EA Access
Xbox Game Pass

Games with Gold with gold requirement for multiplayer I see often but it's not like it's an expensive addition really and although there are slumps in some months with games there are also amazing titles that do pop up and more often than not a single game of the four is enough to justify the value argument.

With Game Pass + Games with Gold you'd never need to buy anything outright. It would be nice to get a separate sub that just includes both for less money though.

No man. EA Access is average value and Game Pass sucks. Fallout 4, Rocket League, ES Online etc. is old hat (and given away by Humble Monthly quite a while ago, to keep forever).

Humble Monthly is on a much higher level. More games, more quality, more recent and yours forever. And Access Premier is a world apart from ordinary Access thanks to including all current titles.

It's just totally incomparable to the subs you've mentioned.
 
No man. EA Access is average value and Game Pass sucks. Fallout 4, Rocket League, ES Online etc. is old hat (and given away by Humble Monthly quite a while ago, to keep forever).

Humble Monthly is on a much higher level. More games, more quality, more recent and yours forever. And Access Premier is a world apart from ordinary Access thanks to including all current titles.

It's just totally incomparable to the subs you've mentioned.

Personally I think Humble Monthly has dropped in quality a lot recently. I now only subscribe for the month if the preorder games are worth the $12. If not, I don't. I always check the other unlocked games and so far I have only had one month where I regretted not subscribing.

I'd rather pay individually for the games that I really want - I think you waste less money that way.
 
I already said I'll generally avoid paying full price for games in the future - the value for money from PC subscriptions is just so vastly superior. But if I'm going to pay top dollar for the occasional special title, at least it's around 50% cheaper than on console and doesn't require an expensive subscription to enable multiplayer. And the PS+ and Games with Gold games are sufficiently disappointing to not add material value to the subscription cost.

Sometimes you get what you pay for.
 
No man. EA Access is average value and Game Pass sucks. Fallout 4, Rocket League, ES Online etc. is old hat (and given away by Humble Monthly quite a while ago, to keep forever).

Humble Monthly is on a much higher level. More games, more quality, more recent and yours forever. And Access Premier is a world apart from ordinary Access thanks to including all current titles.

It's just totally incomparable to the subs you've mentioned.

Humble Bundle is a gamble, whereas Game Pass tells you exactly what you are getting from the word go.

Also you'll get all Microsoft Studios with Game Pass on the day of launch so that's a lot of brand new games you won't be getting on other platforms.

EA Access is average...but it's also cheap as chips so hard to say no to it, especially if you are starting out with the console now.

Humble Bundle historical value cannot be used as a projection of future value.

Game Pass is getting Forza Horizon 4 on launch day...you'll need to do 6 months of subscription before you match the purchase price.

Not to mention you get Sea of Thieves on day one you sign up as well.

It is incredible value, especially for someone starting out now with the console. How old the games are is kind of irrelevant because it's all about what they would cost you to buy right now and then also if the bouquet of games fits your needs.

100+ games from the moment you join isn't to be sniffed at. Humble Bundle you get what they lucky draw for you in a handful of games the moment you sign up, there is no going back in time.

Not to mention in a household you can SHARE the Game Pass sub between two consoles. So it's literally double value.
 
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I'd rather pay individually for the games that I really want - I think you waste less money that way.

There is always that option, but this is why Game Pass is awesome.

You go buy a console tomorrow you get a month of Game Pass free included and 100+ games.

Then you can decide to buy some of them and cancel your subs, or just keep paying if you like. I know a number of people now who aren't super hardcore gamers but do enjoy playing games and they literally have the console + Game Pass sub with no need for anything else.

The more hardcore among us will obviously buy outright where it makes sense.
 
iPad Pro is a poor substitute for a PC. Drives my mom and dad up the wall and they don't even play games. I don't even enjoy helping them with stuff on them - the pinching, dragging, typing, multitasking, mobile app design etc. doesn't come close to using a normal PC. Both are going back to laptops when it's time for an upgrade.

Much like your Humble Bundle uber alles notion this is going to depend very deeply on any individual person and their use case.

In my family there is literally no point to having a laptop and the tablets are so much more simple and practical to accommodate everyone.

Once Apple release the new iPad Pro I'll be making the switch to using that full time at home.
 
Why bother? They are siblings, they need to learn to work together and share...

But then again, rather get a an entry level gaming pc, but I foresee them competing for that one too, as it may play some games better compared to the old pc.
 
Personally I think Humble Monthly has dropped in quality a lot recently. I now only subscribe for the month if the preorder games are worth the $12. If not, I don't. I always check the other unlocked games and so far I have only had one month where I regretted not subscribing.

I'd rather pay individually for the games that I really want - I think you waste less money that way.

I think the closest they've come to a 'bad' month was this one. But it's inevitable that some months seem worse because a handful of others had bonkers value. But in any case, what I thought was a disappointing month was pretty good anyway - Hearts of Iron IV and Interplanetary were awesome for a strategy fan like myself. Hopefully August is another killer though. I must be thousands of dollars in value above what I've paid thus far, so definitely not going to nickel and dime them by constantly cancelling and resubscribing.

This was the first time in a while I checked the Humble Monthly Trove too. There are some decent games there too.

Sometimes you get what you pay for.

Not at new console game prices imo. And considering that often you get way, way more than you paid for, I prefer that option.

Humble Bundle is a gamble, whereas Game Pass tells you exactly what you are getting from the word go.

Also you'll get all Microsoft Studios with Game Pass on the day of launch so that's a lot of brand new games you won't be getting on other platforms.

EA Access is average...but it's also cheap as chips so hard to say no to it, especially if you are starting out with the console now.

Humble Bundle historical value cannot be used as a projection of future value.

Game Pass is getting Forza Horizon 4 on launch day...you'll need to do 6 months of subscription before you match the purchase price.

Not to mention you get Sea of Thieves on day one you sign up as well.

It is incredible value, especially for someone starting out now with the console. How old the games are is kind of irrelevant because it's all about what they would cost you to buy right now and then also if the bouquet of games fits your needs.

100+ games from the moment you join isn't to be sniffed at. Humble Bundle you get what they lucky draw for you in a handful of games the moment you sign up, there is no going back in time.

Aside from first party titles, Game Pass also just surprises users with new content. Humble Monthly couldn't function if everyone constantly unsubscribed and resubscribed, and tbh it's fun to see what you've been given, so I wouldn't want it any other way. And it would be unreasonable to expect a service that lets you keep the games forever to provide Steam keys going back to eternity when you sign up at any point. People would just sign up once every few months and grab everything they've missed. EA Origin Access Premier isn't much more expensive than EA Access but has an order of magnitude more value, so makes more sense getting that.

Xbox Game Pass could eventually be good value, but MS is really not developing much atm. There's Horizon 4, Gears 5 (which looked slightly dubious at E3), the vague Halo Infinite with probably a long-term release date and Crackdown 3 (which also looks rather dubious). In any case, Play Anywhere titles work on PC.

There is always that option, but this is why Game Pass is awesome.

You go buy a console tomorrow you get a month of Game Pass free included and 100+ games.

Then you can decide to buy some of them and cancel your subs, or just keep paying if you like. I know a number of people now who aren't super hardcore gamers but do enjoy playing games and they literally have the console + Game Pass sub with no need for anything else.

The more hardcore among us will obviously buy outright where it makes sense.

Humble Monthly has a trove of DRM-free games. And EA Origin Access Premier also has the vault. So gamers are more than covered for a selection of older titles if they want.

Much like your Humble Bundle uber alles notion this is going to depend very deeply on any individual person and their use case.

In my family there is literally no point to having a laptop and the tablets are so much more simple and practical to accommodate everyone.

Once Apple release the new iPad Pro I'll be making the switch to using that full time at home.

Wow, my condolences. My folks require very little in the way of computing and they can't even get by with iPad Pros.
 
I think the closest they've come to a 'bad' month was this one. But it's inevitable that some months seem worse because a handful of others had bonkers value. But in any case, what I thought was a disappointing month was pretty good anyway - Hearts of Iron IV and Interplanetary were awesome for a strategy fan like myself. Hopefully August is another killer though. I must be thousands of dollars in value above what I've paid thus far, so definitely not going to nickel and dime them by constantly cancelling and resubscribing.

"Nickel and dime them" - they are a business. It isn't like I cheated the system by subscribing only in months where I knew I would get games I actually want.

I also disagree with your definition of "value". Value is not thousands of games you never play. I typically did not play many of the games I got every month. In fact, I'd play one or two of them at most. So, its only worth it if you actually play the games you get.

Do you really play every single game you get in every single bundle? I don't have the time for that, neither do I want to do that.
 
Wow, my condolences. My folks require very little in the way of computing and they can't even get by with iPad Pros.

What is there that they can't "get by" with?

Sounds like a user problem to me...

For home use I quite honestly can't see why people need more than an iPad in their life. Especially non-IT people at that, so I can only think there must be some "PC logic" at play with a resistance to conform to change.

But I'm genuinely interested in what the problems are, although this probably isn't the thread for that.

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On the topic though I also think new game prices are insane...but here again Xbox often wins and is very much in line with PC over the crazy PS4 currency conversion pricing. At least in the digital space.

Also why I live in Argentina to buy games even cheaper.
 
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You are expressing your opinion here, not facts. Try and understand that.
hee - if only he had used that more often :)

No, it isn't necessary to say it constantly. In most cases, it goes without saying anyway and doesn't need to be specified. People should be able to differentiate an opinion and a plausible fact.

"Man United is the greatest football club of all time" -> does a reasonable person really need to get up in arms if such a statement is not accompanied by a disclaimer that it's an opinion? Mankind would spend half its time arguing semantics if that was the case. Although over and above that, my first sentence ended with 'imo', so it seems like you've got nothing further to say and just want to argue rather than have a civil discussion.

"Nickel and dime them" - they are a business. It isn't like I cheated the system by subscribing only in months where I knew I would get games I actually want.

I also disagree with your definition of "value". Value is not thousands of games you never play. I typically did not play many of the games I got every month. In fact, I'd play one or two of them at most. So, its only worth it if you actually play the games you get.

Do you really play every single game you get in every single bundle? I don't have the time for that, neither do I want to do that.

I play every good game the bundle provides, and that's well over half. If you're someone who isn't interested in discovering indie gems and bigger titles you otherwise would likely have skipped, then Humble Monthly isn't for you. You're obviously better off just buying the few AAA titles that interest you then.

Many of the best Humble Monthly games haven't been early unlocks, so you can never be sure you aren't missing out on good stuff. And while they are a business, they donate a portion of all revenue to charity and cannot be making more than a few pennies on a $12 subscription that includes over $200 of content.

What is there that they can't "get by" with?

Sounds like a user problem to me...

For home use I quite honestly can't see why people need more than an iPad in their life. Especially non-IT people at that, so I can only think there must be some "PC logic" at play with a resistance to conform to change.

But I'm genuinely interested in what the problems are, although this probably isn't the thread for that.

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On the topic though I also think new game prices are insane...but here again Xbox often wins and is very much in line with PC over the crazy PS4 currency conversion pricing. At least in the digital space.

Also why I live in Argentina to buy games even cheaper.

You mean you buy Argentinian games or you actually live there? If the latter, your profile is out of date. And also if the latter, jirre why? The lamb is nice, but otherwise... And I've never heard of someone emigrating somewhere to save a few bucks on video games.

I've never seen XB1 preorders for AAA games going for PC prices. CDKeys has XB1 FIFA 19 for R770 and PC for R620, as a random example I just checked. I actually have an XB1 S, but it's used for 4K Blu-rays and I hate it even for that. The UI is not great imo and it's way worse with format support than my Samsung TV.

As for my folks and their hatred of their iPads:

- no way to easily monitor data usage on Wi-Fi
- constantly increasing number of dock icons that must be manually cleared
- outrageous data usage for app updates
- Smart Keyboard becomes unresponsive from time to time
- several times I've helped with Wi-Fi connectivity issues
- (Apple) Music app is unintuitive and Play Music is laggy, so music streaming not a good experience
- battery life noticeably worse since recent update
- multitasking gestures not pleasant
- Office and iWork are mostly rubbish
- moving files around is a nightmare compared to PCs and Android (photos, music, anything really)
- screen needs constant cleaning due to constant touching
- settings can be either in an app or the settings menu
- email is torturously slow going
- frequent issues opening email attachments
- being constantly prompted for their password

My mom is an artist and used the Apple Pencil a few times before announcing it's not nice to use. I don't think it's been touched since. What a waste of a R2.5k accessory and a purchase of Affinity Photo.

I thought my technophobe parents would be well suited to the tablet life, but it hasn't been so for either of them. They tend to connect their Android phones to the Chromecast for streaming video, music and images. And then just complain about the iPad being so much slower for their needs and prone to error than a simple PC and a mouse.
 
You mean you buy Argentinian games or you actually live there? If the latter, your profile is out of date. And also if the latter, jirre why? The lamb is nice, but otherwise... And I've never heard of someone emigrating somewhere to save a few bucks on video games.

Nah man it was just a silly joke because I often VPN if there is a really good bargain to be had and their system works directly with our Credit Cards.

I've never seen XB1 preorders for AAA games going for PC prices. CDKeys has XB1 FIFA 19 for R770 and PC for R620, as a random example I just checked. I actually have an XB1 S, but it's used for 4K Blu-rays and I hate it even for that. The UI is not great imo and it's way worse with format support than my Samsung TV.

Well R100 odd bucks is closer to the same region than being double the price as it's usually quoted.

- no way to easily monitor data usage on Wi-Fi
Why would you want to monitor Wifi usage? Why does it matter?

- constantly increasing number of dock icons that must be manually cleared

This can be easily turned off but it's actually a requested feature. I wish they would simply let the whole thing auto-arrange icons based on usage and not just the dock.

- outrageous data usage for app updates

I guess this relates to your first problem of Wifi issues...but you can simply turn off auto updates.

However this isn't an iPad thing but just a modern world thing.

- Smart Keyboard becomes unresponsive from time to time

Can't really commend on this one.

- several times I've helped with Wi-Fi connectivity issues

And did they relate to a crappy wifi network? Because that's the only reason I can think and also wouldn't be an iPad specific thing.

- (Apple) Music app is unintuitive and Play Music is laggy, so music streaming not a good experience

Can't say I've ever experience it being laggy or unintuitive, but I've sensing a general failure of dealing with change here.

- battery life noticeably worse since recent update

And yet is probably still double that of the alternative laptop so I don't see the issue.

- multitasking gestures not pleasant

So basically they just can't deal with tablets...it's not really and iPad thing at all?

- Office and iWork are mostly rubbish

Okay...if you say so.

- moving files around is a nightmare compared to PCs and Android (photos, music, anything really)

Aaah we are getting to the crux of the matter being a failure to embrace change in the modern world. Android is better
because flash drive. Wifi is a problem because probably on a 3GB data bundle but expect a modern world experience.

There is no need to move anything around. It should just be everywhere all the time.

- screen needs constant cleaning due to constant touching

This is again not related to the iPad as such. But washing your hands goes a long way.

- settings can be either in an app or the settings menu

Completely dependent on individual apps and their development decisions.

- email is torturously slow going

Probably still stuck on old school POP3 going by the rest of the list.

- frequent issues opening email attachments

This is one I could roll with because some obscure attachments can indeed be problematic.

- being constantly prompted for their password

Can also be configured not to do this.

My mom is an artist and used the Apple Pencil a few times before announcing it's not nice to use. I don't think it's been touched since. What a waste of a R2.5k accessory and a purchase of Affinity Photo.

And yet it is lauded worldwide as the best thing since sliced bread by artists.

I thought my technophobe parents would be well suited to the tablet life, but it hasn't been so for either of them. They tend to connect their Android phones to the Chromecast for streaming video, music and images. And then just complain about the iPad being so much slower for their needs and prone to error than a simple PC and a mouse.

So the outlier device that they were bound to dislike before even touching it doesn't work in their pro-Android ecosystem and therefore the device is the problem.

It doesn't work the other way around either if everything is all Apple and you bring an Android device into the mix.

The "prone to error" part is firmly at the hands of the user here. It's actually very hard to break or error anything on a locked down device like a PC and that makes it very simple to support. Can't say the same for PC (or Android for that matter) where they can completely destroy everything with a few clicks.

If it doesn't work for them it doesn't work them, but a lot of the things listed above is a failure to embrace change or just complete bollocks and reeks of someone being pre-determined to dislike the iPad and Apple in general...and it's especially funny since it's rated as the best Tablet option out there...even by open minded Android people.
 
No, it isn't necessary to say it constantly. In most cases, it goes without saying anyway and doesn't need to be specified. People should be able to differentiate an opinion and a plausible fact.

Yes, they should. However you have made that differentiation difficult based on the manner you have been presenting your "opinion"....
 
Difference in pricing for games isn't that much anymore. Especially if you use Cd keys, game pass, Xbox Live, Xbox sharing and second hand games.
I don't think I've paid more then R400 for a game on Xbox one
 
Nah man it was just a silly joke because I often VPN if there is a really good bargain to be had and their system works directly with our Credit Cards.

Well R100 odd bucks is closer to the same region than being double the price as it's usually quoted.

Why would you want to monitor Wifi usage? Why does it matter?

This can be easily turned off but it's actually a requested feature. I wish they would simply let the whole thing auto-arrange icons based on usage and not just the dock.

I guess this relates to your first problem of Wifi issues...but you can simply turn off auto updates.

However this isn't an iPad thing but just a modern world thing.

Can't really commend on this one.

And did they relate to a crappy wifi network? Because that's the only reason I can think and also wouldn't be an iPad specific thing.

Can't say I've ever experience it being laggy or unintuitive, but I've sensing a general failure of dealing with change here.

And yet is probably still double that of the alternative laptop so I don't see the issue.

So basically they just can't deal with tablets...it's not really and iPad thing at all?

Okay...if you say so.

Aaah we are getting to the crux of the matter being a failure to embrace change in the modern world. Android is better
because flash drive. Wifi is a problem because probably on a 3GB data bundle but expect a modern world experience.

There is no need to move anything around. It should just be everywhere all the time.

This is again not related to the iPad as such. But washing your hands goes a long way.

Completely dependent on individual apps and their development decisions.

Probably still stuck on old school POP3 going by the rest of the list.

This is one I could roll with because some obscure attachments can indeed be problematic.

Can also be configured not to do this.

And yet it is lauded worldwide as the best thing since sliced bread by artists.

So the outlier device that they were bound to dislike before even touching it doesn't work in their pro-Android ecosystem and therefore the device is the problem.

It doesn't work the other way around either if everything is all Apple and you bring an Android device into the mix.

The "prone to error" part is firmly at the hands of the user here. It's actually very hard to break or error anything on a locked down device like a PC and that makes it very simple to support. Can't say the same for PC (or Android for that matter) where they can completely destroy everything with a few clicks.

If it doesn't work for them it doesn't work them, but a lot of the things listed above is a failure to embrace change or just complete bollocks and reeks of someone being pre-determined to dislike the iPad and Apple in general...and it's especially funny since it's rated as the best Tablet option out there...even by open minded Android people.

Dude, this format is really difficult to work with. Just compose a single message body with a logical progression.

If you're going to use a VPN, surely Russia, Mexico, India, the Philippines etc. would have the best prices? If Argentina accepts our credit cards I would expect most countries to.

I'm the only person I know who owns an Xbox. PS4 is much more popular for console gaming in SA from my experience, and most PS4 games are unavailable from websites like CDKeys. The prices are generally really high. I've often heard from my step-bro about him buying PS4 games during a sale at prices I'd pay for preorders (R600ish). I'm also someone who prefers not using grey market stores like CDKeys. Nearly all my games come from GOG & Steam sales and Humble Monthly. I don't like the idea of an environment where you're beholden to grey market sellers to avoid being taken for a Charlie.

As for the iPad:
- If your Wi-Fi is a mobile connection then it can be critically important to monitor data usage on all the connected devices. It's built into Android and Glasswire takes 2 minutes to install on a PC. But the only iOS solutions involve running all bandwidth through a VPN, which is nuts.
- Massive update sizes are not a modern issue, they're exclusively an iOS one. Most Android app updates are tiny - 9MB WhatsApp, 12MB Outlook etc. Yet on iOS they can be minimum 100MB each, with 500+MB for each of the iWork and iLife apps. It's a galaxy apart from Android data consumption for updates.
- Wi-Fi dropping is a very common iPad Pro issue. I see it mentioned often on MacRumors or when an upcoming iOS update is being reported.
- Play Music lags like a beast when scrolling playlists, so I'm not sure how you can miss that. The Music app is really cumbersome to use if you're used to Apple Music on Android.
- Their laptops would typically remain plugged in so battery life is irrelevant.
- It is probably the case that a different tablet would not be better than an iPad. I'm not arguing for the iPad being a poor tablet offering.
- Not sure why you're disagreeing about the office software on iPad being any good. I can't imagine too many people have ever gone from a PC to iPad, opened Office or iWork and thought "yep, this is great".
- Not everyone has unlimited bandwidth. I do, but my parents don't and most people around the world don't. It's not reasonable to make something as simple as moving files around next to impossible. I mean, I couldn't even add an album to my dad's Apple Music library. If I log out my own iTunes and login with his details, nothing happens. It just seems to go into a 'do nothing' state so as not to upset my library that's waiting to connect to an authorised account again. No way I'm uninstalling iTunes every time I want to do something on someone else's account.
- You say the settings inconsistency is down to individual developers, which is exactly my point. It's annoying.
- My parents use Gmail and IMAP. When I said email is slow I meant the touch interface is slow going for people who deal with a fair amount of email. Opening attachments is frequently an issue. It's slow switching email accounts, and slow going back and forward with Safari or other apps with links, media and other attachments. When you're used to being able to breeze through such a task, a cumbersome touch setup can be immensely frustrating.
- They don't have a 'pro-Android' ecosystem. Chromecast works just fine with Google apps on iOS.
- My parents know next to nothing about technology, and iPads are expensive, so there was definitely no negative predisposition towards the devices.

The iPad Pro is quite obviously the best tablet on the market. But that doesn't mean it's awesome in every way and is a good substitute for owning a PC. What competition even exists? Can you think of one good Android tablet? It may be the case that tablets are simply not for everyone, but without more devices to consider it's not a conclusion that can be drawn.

Yes, they should. However you have made that differentiation difficult based on the manner you have been presenting your "opinion"....

This is a forum - 99% of all the discourse here is opinion. And when statements are clearly opinionated, don't use language to assert a factual basis and the word 'imo' is sprinkled around as a courtesy, it's not challenging at all to differentiate opinion from fact.

Difference in pricing for games isn't that much anymore. Especially if you use Cd keys, game pass, Xbox Live, Xbox sharing and second hand games.
I don't think I've paid more then R400 for a game on Xbox one

You can spend as little as you want on any platform. The question is how much you give up for that saving. R400 might buy you an older flagship game, but it could also buy you Humble Monthly + EA Origin Access Premier + Xbox Game Pass with change left over.
 
My household is a mix of

- Apple (2 laptops; 4 ipads; 1 ipad pro; 4 iphones; Apple Tv)
- Windows 10 (3 desktops; 2 laptops)
- Android (2 phones; 1 tablet)
- Sony (PS4; PS3)
- Roku
- Linux (1 PC running Mint)

Network - Fibre ( 40 Down/20 Up) - Mikrotik Router - WiFi served by Unfi AP's (mix of UAP's and AC Lites)

Every device is fit for purpose - every user is very happy with the device they use - some use iPads only, some use PC and iPad, some use only Android - the age profile ranges from 8 to 82

For some, one size fits all, for others, multiple devices are required to meet their needs.

There is no "this is all crap; that is all golden"
 
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