petrol or diesel

[UtterNutter]

there's nothing like putting the car into 2nd and it keeps going, and going and going, then into 3rd, same story, it's really something to experience.

I agree (being a petrol head).

However it must be said that it's also an awesome feeling putting the car into 6th at medium to low speed, pushing the accelerator and fekking blasting off. Something petrol cars cannot come close to doing.

Don't get me wrong, as the previous owner of two 330i BMWs... I really love the driving style associated with high revs and high power.

However, as the current owner of a 330d, I ALSO really love the feel of massive torque at low RPM.

Most people buy a diesel for fuel economy purposes. But what people should really do is buy the engine that more suits their driving style and/or personal character and taste.

 

[UtterNutter]

Nice to see people like enigma243 and Gnome that understand power and torque from a scientific perspective. We could have lengthy debates about cars and engines.

 

[BCO]

I wonder what it feels like to drive an EV where you get max torque from 0rpm upwards.

 

[HapticSimian]

I wonder what it feels like to drive an EV where you get max torque from 0rpm upwards.

First myBB-member to get a Tesla better be prepared to spend 2 weeks giving test drives!

 

[BCO]

First myBB-member to get a Tesla better be prepared to spend 2 weeks giving test drives!

I bet it's AdamR

 

[UtterNutter]

I bet it's AdamR

Only if it's expensive and fast.

 

[BCO]

The Tesla Roadster is around $100k. That's around what adam spends on cars.

 

[UtterNutter]

The Tesla Roadster is around $100k. That's around what adam spends on a car.

Fixed.

 

[Gnome]

I just want to point out that just because a Petrol engine isn't diesel doesn't make it a little b#itch when it comes to torque, extreme example: Mercedes SL65 makes 1000NM torque with a Petrol engine but even take just a Corsa OPC, it makes 230NM torque (1.6 Inline 4 Turbo Charged), I'd really like to see some comparisons between that engine and some 1600 Turbo Diesels so we can see exactly HOW MUCH more torque it makes, because I can't compare that to a 2.2L Turbo Diesel making 400NM torque that's just not fair.

When we talk inline 4, then sure the Diesel is "soooo nice" because of the torque but once we get to inline 6 and V8 engines it's a non issue, especially the V8 because of positive net torque, you can just throw that thing into any gear and it'll feel strong.

 

[Budza]

Interesting the comment that people should choose an engine based on personality and driving style. I reckon I'm a diesel kinda guy, but can't afford one at present. Was keen on an old, NA diesel but guess I should stick it out till I can get a more modern one.

Am doing ~20k km/y. Mostly highway at 130. What's best for that?

Considerations: [for me at least ]

1. Driving style
2. Average commute
3. Style/performance requirements

 

[upup]

Fact is

I talk to Midas today;
Diesel parts are more expensive.
Drive a diesel only on the service plan, get rid of it and then petrol.

our diesel is like casper de vries langauge, a bit dirty.

 

[Sensorei]

Fact is

I talk to Midas today;
Diesel parts are more expensive.
Drive a diesel only on the service plan, get rid of it and then petrol.

our diesel is like casper de vries langauge, a bit dirty.

Diesel injectors and turbos are yes. Diesel engines last longer and are more reliable than petrol engines because they only rev to 4000rpm causing less strain. Buying an old 2nd hand (150,000km+)pump deuse TDI is not a good idea because of injector/turbo prices unless you clean your injectors and get your turbo checked out. Buy one with motor plan or extend the motor plan.

 

[Gnome]

Diesel engines last longer and are more reliable than petrol engines because they only rev to 4000rpm causing less strain.

High-rpm doesn't make a engine less reliable. And a diesel engine bottom end takes far more strain from the high CR and excess oxygen combustion environment than petrol engines do from high-rpm, that's exactly the reason they are so heavy.

You should really backup your statement with more proof, modern Turbo Diesel VS Modern Petrol (or Turbo Petrol)

All I know is their Turbo's take way more strain than Petrol turbo's do and the high-pressure piezoelectric direct injection is very unreliable compared to plain old multi-point injection used on most petrol cars today (for a number of reason).

 

[Shake&Bake]

Well all I can say is that I'm quite happy with my turbo diesel at the moment.

Going to let it run out of Motorplan at the end of the year and do some remapping of the software and get some more out if it.

I'm not as technically minded or clued up as the rest of you in this thread, but that what I have researched and now experienced with the diesel - plain and simple, it currently suits me and I don't really have issues with it.

In all honesty in about 2 years now, if I decide to get something else, it's most likely going to be petrol and have a helluva punch (for me anyway )

Though something tells me I won't be getting rid of the diesel

 

[G5GTI05]

If you are not a car fanatic and are only concerned with A to B , the easiest way to determine petrol or diesel is to look at the renta cars... from a running cost point of view , petrol is still more cost effective, hence they all petrol.... imo

 

[Sensorei]

from a running cost point of view , petrol is still more cost effective, hence they all petrol.... imo

This is only true if you buy an old diesel (150000kms+) where you can expect to replace injectors or the turbo some time. A diesel under warranty/motorplan is still much cheaper to run because of the amount saved on petrol. I've owned both and done all the math.

 

[HapticSimian]

If you are not a car fanatic and are only concerned with A to B , the easiest way to determine petrol or diesel is to look at the renta cars... from a running cost point of view , petrol is still more cost effective, hence they all petrol.... imo

It's not nearly as simplistic a situation with the rental companies. The biggest factor there is that the bulk of rentals would be cars like lower-end Yarii and Polos and stupid econo-box Picantos , and small-engined diesels don't exist.

The 1.4TDI Polo was an awesome little car. Had one as a company car & I could do a month's driving on 45 litres. But South Africa has a big-engine mentality and it sold poorly...

In the end there are strong arguments both ways. That's why I maintain - go diesel for the DRIVE, not for the 'savings...

 

[Paul_S]

It's not nearly as simplistic a situation with the rental companies. The biggest factor there is that the bulk of rentals would be cars like lower-end Yarii and Polos and stupid econo-box Picantos , and small-engined diesels don't exist.

Kia Picanto 1.1 Diesel
Ford Ikon 1.4 TDCi
Hyundai Getz 1.5 CRDi
Toyota Yaris 1.4 D-4D
VW Polo1.4 TDI

The Picanto and Yaris diesels aren't available locally because they're too expensive compared to their petrol equivalents.

 

[Paul_S]

This is only true if you buy an old diesel (150000kms+) where you can expect to replace injectors or the turbo some time. A diesel under warranty/motorplan is still much cheaper to run because of the amount saved on petrol. I've owned both and done all the math.

For the people who purchase a vehicle and then drive it till it falls apart a diesel is going to cost a lot more to maintain in the long run.
Believe it or not there are people who can't afford to replace a vehicle every 3-5 years.

 

[G5GTI05]

Kia Picanto 1.1 Diesel
Ford Ikon 1.4 TDCi
Hyundai Getz 1.5 CRDi
Toyota Yaris 1.4 D-4D
VW Polo1.4 TDI

The Picanto and Yaris diesels aren't available locally because they're too expensive compared to their petrol equivalents.

Exactly, The Polo 1.4 TDI or the 1.4 petrol?. Overall, petrol is still cheaper imo -