Phased space exploration

Palimino

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With the shuttle program now closed-down, NASA is stumbling around in their usual clueless fashion and are wondering what to do to justify their huge budgets and ego-stroking existence. I have a suggestion:

Colonise the Moon. And in the process learn the needed skills for the further exploitation of space. Besides, the Moon’s gravity well is a lot milder than Earth’s. Maybe run the project on free market principles rather than socialist, taxpayer-funded NASA. Richard Branson’s plans for his commercial space venture seem credible. He talks of short timescales. Not like NASA and molasses in sub-zero temperatures. Safety and profit are paramount for Branson (its space tourism). Brand names (Virgin) and reputations (Branson) are at stake. The basic philosophy of launch is different. NASA goes for expensive, polluting and complicated Saturn V rockets. Branson goes for high-flying, cheaper, less polluting and simpler launches into space. NASA has historically had a stranglehold on space stuff in the West. Thank goodness that is changing. Maybe now progress will be measured in months rather than decades.

The taxpayer funds NASA. There is no hurry to do anything (it’s not required to be profitable). Time is spent on empire building, recruiting a bloated bureaucracy and politicking. I would say that any actual space work, is 90% ensuring astronaut’s comfort and 10% space. When money runs-out, begging bowls are rattled at the government. In the time since the Moon landing, NASA may have done 5 years of space work (probably less). There is an expression – a camel is a horse designed by a committee. NASA specialised in designing camels. Committee’s were ruled by political expediency, personal enmities, nepotism, etc. They outranked the visionaries (who had their stuff rejected by camel designing committees). NASA risks losing the talent not locked-in with pensions, seniority, etc. A totally new launch system (different from the NASA camel) is being researched by Branson. NASA did do some good. Up until the Moon landing, NASA had vision. After that they lost the plot completely. Passionate space travel visionaries did join the 9 to 5 NASA clock-watchers (they had to - it was the only space travel game in town). Now that the dead hand of NASA is removed, space exploration can progress. There is a new game in town (Branson). NASA can be criticised for wasting time, but they must have huge archives of material from idealistic, passionate space visionaries before the life was crushed out of them by camel-designing NASA committees. If it was rejected by a NASA camel designing committees it is worth a 2nd look. If it was accepted, that would be the kiss of death for any idea. These archives could be a valuable trading resource.

It’s not unreasonable to suppose that another entrepreneur (minus the NASA stranglehold) may begin mining on the Moon and launching Branson’s hotel material into space from the Moon’s gravity well with magnetic launchers (you can’t do this on Earth). This will be much cheaper than even Branson’s cheap high-flying launches. Go for the Moon first. Excavate large underground caverns – for mining and hotel building material. Airtight seal the walls of the caverns. Extract the air from the mined material and provide the caverns with an atmosphere. Use submarine air scrubbing technology to constantly clean the air. There is an abundance of sunlight on the Moon and its constant, uninterrupted by weather etc. ‘Pipe’ it underground for light and heat. Use it to generate power. The depth of the caverns will protect them from nasty cosmic rays and stuff. Turn it all into a (Moon) hotel for the time being.

A space hotel will undoubtedly be built at the 3 ‘Le Grange’ points. These are points in space (between Earth and Moon) where the gravitational pull of the major attractors (Sun, Earth, Moon, Solar System) are nullified. ‘Tidal’ effects on structures and attitudinal jet adjustment requirements are minimised. I have my doubts about a space hotel. Cosmic ray and bone density (lack of gravity) problems will arise. Rather a long-term Moon hotel (where space exists for centrifugal ‘gravity’ simulators – bone density) and short-term (a week?) expeditions to the space hotel for the punters to experience weightlessness.

Building material for the hotels (and stuff that needs to be launched) will use a Moon-based ‘Rail Gun’ to shoot stuff into Moon orbit. A ‘Rail Gun’ will be a kilometre long rail with the termination tilted towards the sky. Along its length will a series of magnetic ‘repulsors’. The payload has a few metal bands around it. Each ‘repulsor’ accelerates the payload to ever-greater speed until it shoots off into the sky with a velocity large enough to escape the Moon’s gravity well. The power demands of the ‘Rail Gun’ will be huge (derived from uninterrupted sunlight - solar power). Corners can be cut and safety measures intended for idiots can be avoided (there are no idiots on the Moon) or property protection (no property) etc.

The whole commercialisation of space is an extremely expensive business. Branson can’t do it on his own. However, potential investors are watching him carefully. If Branson can pull-off his innovative launch procedure, they will rush to invest. Cheap launches (without the error-prone NASA Saturn V rockets) is fundamental to opening the ‘final frontier’. Although it is a high-risk investment, the rewards are mind-bogglingly huge. Another issue for Branson, is the space hotel. The kinks in catering to tourists in an extremely hostile environment can be ironed-out by catering to the Moon miners from the other major investors – Moon miners are guinea pigs for Branson. These can be considered as high-tech oil rig roughnecks. Pretty average blue collar types (not rocket scientists or drooling idiots) but capable of stringent safety and air discipline procedures. Because their absence from Earth will be prolonged, Branson’s Moon hotel must be 5 star (if not better). He can do it on the Moon.

Casualties
Of course there will be casualties (it’s a frontier, for Crise sake). The question is to take (voluntary) risks for a meaningful and highly paid end, or become an (involuntary) casualty in an insane war taking hill 451 (bla, bla) to satisfy some maniacal general who wants to keep his map neat. A 20% casualty rate is quite acceptable for this Earth shakingly important objective. Live casualty care will be 1st class because you are valuable (cynical view - in terms of the investment in you [not like cannon fodder]) and there is a need to refine (and define) space medicine.

Business case.
Cost saving [mining] can be accomplished as there are no environmental laws to comply with. The only issue would be aesthetic (the Moon face visible). This can be done by keeping the strip-mining operations on the dark side of the moon. Otherwise it would be......a moonscape. A big issue with mining, is the prodigious use of water. Water will be extremely scarce on the Moon. If waterless mining technologies can be developed and exported to a water-conscious Earth, the funds gained will pay for all their space adventures (and then some). If waterless mining technologies don’t bear fruit quickly enough, water will be precious and will be too costly to lift, in the required quantities, from the gravity well of Earth. The key would be to shepherd huge chunks of meteorite ice to the Moon’s surface. A small chunk might be the size of Texas – too big to shepherd and explosives need to be used to break-off a manageable hunk. The ice is made-up of H2O – rocket fuel (hydrogen and oxygen). A gadget which decomposes ice into its constituent parts via electrolysis is required to manufacture fuel. Water from the ice supplies the reaction mass. “But” (you ask) “doesn’t electrolysis require huge amounts of power?” Thin-film solar panels (which can cover acres if necessary and are more easily transportable). You have constant 24 hour sunlight unimpeded by cloud cover. As much power as you want. About a week? out from the Moon, high-tech roughnecks will match velocities with the ice chunk, kill any excessive velocity and make final fine-tuning trajectory (aiming) adjustments. Maybe shepherd it into a parking orbit around the Moon for later use. It will remain as ice.

A manned Mars mission is extremely premature. Any colony would have to be self-sustaining. It makes sense to practise on the Moon and get all ducks-in-a-row (baby steps 1st). A big issue are the ‘Biosphere’ projects. Biosphere 2 is in Arizona. Biosphere 3 is in Siberia. Wikipedia has details and a google search produces millions of hits.

Extract from Wikipedia
Biosphere 2 is a 3.15-acre (12,700 m2)[1] structure originally built to be a man-made, materially-closed ecological system in Oracle, Arizona (USA) by Space Biosphere Ventures, a joint venture whose principal officers were John P. Allen, inventor and Executive Director, and Margret Augustine, CEO.

Space! The final frontier.
 

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You know in movies when aliens come to Earth and rape it and destroy everything? Mankind will be those ''aliens".

That will make a brilliant twist for a movie. Get attacked by Aliens and in he end it turns out to be humans
 

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The mighty US of A cannot colonise the moon. They have never landed on the moon and still cannot land on the moon.
 

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If NASA can manage to send 10 consecutive ships to the moon I would consider the idea of colonising it viable.

Thus far they have managed 1.

Earthlings are not so good at space travel just yet.

Also, I think it will be the Russians that begin colonisation and not the Americans.
 

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If NASA can manage to send 10 consecutive ships to the moon I would consider the idea of colonising it viable.

Thus far they have managed 1.

Earthlings are not so good at space travel just yet.

Also, I think it will be the Russians that begin colonisation and not the Americans.

I think the Chinese will be the first people on the moon...they have enough money and resources.
 

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The mighty US of A cannot colonise the moon. They have never landed on the moon and still cannot land on the moon.

Part 1

Getting there & back
Branson’s innovative launch procedure will get his vehicle into Low Earth Orbit (LEO). Velocity will be extremely low. He uses the ‘slingshot’ procedure to build-up speed for the Moon journey.

This is like a slingshot whirling around before being released. He [the astronaut] would orbit (whirl around) the Earth until he had built-up the velocity needed for travel to the Moon. Then he would disengage at the right moment (equations are Branson’s baby) and go whizzing off in the Moons direction. Braking manoeuvres and travel back to Earth would follow the same principles (orbiting the Moon). Because of the weak gravity, more orbits around the Moon may be necessary to build velocity.

The ‘slingshot’ manoeuvre can be a double-edged sword. The Moon is not that far away. Too much velocity (unless for a long trip – Mars?) implies more fuel needs to be carried for miscellaneous manoeuvres and the spaceship needs to be robust enough to withstand the stresses of more severe braking. NASA’s travel time to the Moon was 3 days. I reckon Branson should work on a travel time of 5 days. Beef-up life support systems for the extra time and save on the fuel payload and spaceship robustness.

A working analogy may be that of Earth shipping. NASA uses power (fuel - craft heavy) while Branson uses sail (wind [free] - craft light).

While orbiting the Moon (slowing down) the crew will be frantically observing the dark side looking for suitable landing spots.

What about the technology required for this ‘complicated’ procedure? The NASA way – hundreds of people behind PC’s, huge illuminated maps. Self-important types with head-sets scurrying around and getting underfoot. “...3, 2, 1 ignition – we have lift-off”. Hugs all round. The huge multi-million Saturn V thunders into the sky in a swirl of flame and dust. Spectator’s exchange high fives and hugs. “Isn’t it great to be Amurican – leader of the world”?

The Moon shot on a budget way – Maximum 10 talented types running standard PC’s with commercially available SCADA software (half the PC’s are duplicates – redundancy). Good radio (voice) comms.

SCADA software is monitoring and control software. Train shunting yards or a Coke bottling plant etc.

No spectators (the launch take place at altitude), only essential telemetry. Rely on colleagues to tell control that someone’s dead (he’s demised, shuffled off this mortal coil) rather than monitoring heartbeat. A launch and if you achieve space and see the Earth’s globe against that background, a raised heartbeat is nothing to get hysterical about. The initial pioneering types will be hardy physical specimens – they won’t succumb to wussy heart attacks and stuff. He will need pretty standard runways and whatnot. If Branson pulls it off, investors will be fighting to throw money at him. He will be fending-off groupies and be suitably self-deprecating and British. “Pshaw! It was nothing. Just good ole British pluck, donchaknow”.

I could be accused of being glib and simplistic. These posts should only be regarded as broad brush-strokes presenting avenues to explore. I am aware that there are myriads of issues which must be addressed. One of the biggies is the spacesuit issue. It strikes me that the spacesuit design legacy from NASA (Mr Puffy – the marshmallow man) is inappropriate for mining (or any type of work). Any space work will be largely automated but current spacesuit design renders the wearer virtually helpless. A new spacesuit design is called for – this does not imply the wearer singing lustily while wielding a pick and drinking Carling Black Label. Neither does a new spacesuit design resemble the skin-tight, silver lame suits so beloved of sci-fi writers of the ‘50’s.

A possible new design would be a suit suitable for a few hours (3?) of external work before the wearer returns to it’s associated static ‘cocoon’ (all suits have them) for recharging, replenishment, etc. This would lend itself to shift work if the ‘cocoon’ needs time to revitalise the suit. This cocoon may be fairly complex and would serve a similar purpose to the Earth tent allowing extended surveys (mining, mapping, etc.) and ‘camping’ trips to be undertaken (on a hunk of ice, for eg.). Spartan but usable.

It’s easier living underground. There are no water, drainage or insect issues on the Moon. It accomplishes 2 objectives – mining and then inhabit the holes. It protects from dangerous cosmic radiation and the constant rain of micrometeorites. I am working from technology which exists or shortly will. The mass of the surrounding earth can withstand massive pressurisation and it already exists (no materials required). Air can be extracted from mined rock or by decomposing water (H2O) via electrolysis from the polar icecaps or captured ice meteors. Underground claustrophobia is addressed by big LCD screen ‘picture windows’ transmitting real-time views of the surface. It’s a high tech. environment.

The initial Moon landing.
The craft will probably look like the space shuttle. After identifying a suitable landing site, the craft will gingerly land. This will be hairy but it has been done before (Americans). Once down the crew will not be hitting golf balls around, driving around checking-out the sights in a Moon buggy or making quotable quotes. They will be checking-out the integrity of the surface and preparing it for subsequent landings (it’s not practical for them all to be hairy). The aim would be to make the landing as routine as landing an airliner on Earth is.

In the cargo bay of their shuttle, will be prefabricated living quarters. Every subsequent trip will carry another module. They will remove it and plumb it into the surface. The big, empty fuel tanks will also be detached to serve as living space. They will have been designed in such a way (light & heat elements) that after the interior has been exposed to the outside and all the volatiles boiled away in the vacuum, they will be suitable for human habitation. They will be huge, empty caverns but once heated and lit with an atmosphere, they will be liveable. This assumes the wholesale conversion of sunlight to power, heat and light. These ‘living space cocoons’ will be placed in a suitable area (a valley?) and the Moon walls collapsed on top of them with explosives. This will give them a suitable layer of insulation against cosmic radiation for long-term habitation. The idea is to get an initial toe-hold on the surface of the Moon for subsequent exploitation. This will establish the initial toe-hold.

Consolidation.
After the initial landing, a period of consolidation will be entered into. The Moon ‘beach head’ will be strengthened, plans will be made, surveys (mining?) will be conducted and the information gained will be analysed and processed. Transportation over the Moons surface will be considered. A ‘Moon buggy’ type vehicle will be necessary but, because of the vast distances, a faster (I want to say ‘airborne’ but there is no air. Neither is it ‘space borne’ because it’s close to the surface. Vacuum borne?) vehicle needs to be developed. A lexicon for a bunch of new words should also be developed.

There will be a period of politicking as mining concessions are granted, the Moon is carved-up into territories or ‘spheres-of-influence’ and the inevitable squabbling commences. America (NASA) will be in a huge sulk and when they have temper tantrums will try to spoil and sabotage stuff. After a time America (hopefully) will come round and auction-off their NASA archives (valuable) and enter the fray for claiming influence over bits of the Moon. This will be a period of alliance-forming and making friends and enemies. Diplomatic snits and flounces will abound. Branson will rake it in and be canonised. Things will finally settle-down and the exploitation of the Moon will recommence.

End of part 1
 

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Part 2

Long-term presence.
Permanent underground living quarters will be built. This would be the prototype for Branson’s luxury Moon hotel. The miners will be staying there (rent free? reduced rent?) and serving as guinea-pig ‘guests’ so that Branson can refine his hotel. Mining surveys will have been carried-out and areas identified for mining exploitation.

It is reasonable to assume that these areas will be well into the dark side. So far in that a separate base (HQ) would need to be built to support it. As sunlight is used to derive heat, light and power, a problem may be identified. This is overcome by a gigantic mirror in geo-stationary orbit above the mine. The mirror is made of tin foil, Mylar, space blankety stuff (anything that reflects well). It will peer over the Moon’s horizon, pick-up sunlight and reflect it where it’s being positioned to reflect it. It will retain its position in orbit, retain its unfolded shape unaided and exhibit the properties desired. Minimum maintenance.

Permanent presence.
The biggest issue will be transportation. The dark side of the Moon will have a myriad of independent ‘bases’ supporting the mines. They will need to be linked together and to HQ to transport personnel, equipment and ore. I would suggest rail-links with super-fast trains. There are no property or people issues. Travel is in the vacuum conditions of the Moon (no air resistance). There will be no ‘wheels’ with limited speed and maintenance intensive ‘bearings’, exposed to a hostile environment. The ‘bearings’ which allow it to accelerate along the rail and attain high speeds will be of the ‘Mag-Lev’ type (like Earth Japanese trains) – frictionless. Powered by solar-derived electricity (or whatever) some very serious speeds can be attained in that environment.

The ore from mining might become an issue. Refine it on the Moon into ingots or transport the ore to Earth where refinement takes place? Refinement on Earth would save a lot of expensive Moon infrastructure, but how to do it practically and cheaply? A conveyer belt carrying the ore feeds the Rail Gun. The ore is continuously ‘shot’ towards a predefined drop zone on Earth. In effect, it will be as if the sky rained ore. The calculations for the drop zone will be done carefully and triple checked. To accidently rain ore onto a city will be devastating. Ore is removed from the drop zone and refined by associated Earth mining companies.

NASA will be apoplectic. How dare space exploitation proceed without their wisdom?
 

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It would be a good idea to do away with Moon landings entirely. Several years ago Arthur C. Clarke wrote a novel (a good Sci-Fi writer – R.I.P.), ‘The Fountains of Paradise’ (ISBN 0 330 25984 9). If the reader was looking for traditional Space Opera, with scantily clad females being menaced by alien monsters, they would have been disappointed. What it did look at, in comprehensive engineering detail, was the possibility of a ‘space’ elevator between Earth and a point outside the Earth’s atmosphere. Space flight would be no more than a lengthy elevator ride. It was speculative, material science hasn’t developed to a point where it was feasible for Earth gravity.

BUT

It should be investigated for the Moon. The Moon has a profoundly lower gravity and the gravity field is a fraction of Earths and doesn’t stretch out as far. There are some seriously high mountains suitable for a ‘Ground’ floor. The space ‘anchor’ could be a gigantic hunk of ice, a handy passing meteor or Moon rock aggregate shot into position by the Rail Gun.

If this can be pulled-off a true space ship (that never enters planetary atmosphere) can be put into service. Plying a route between an ISS (International Space Station) type entity, where Branson’s shuttles drop-off stuff from Earth, and the ‘Top’ floor of the space elevator. Then the elevator descends through the Moon’s gravity well to the surface. Viola!

Worth investigating.
 

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With the shuttle program now closed-down, NASA is stumbling around in their usual clueless fashion and are wondering what to do to justify their huge budgets and ego-stroking existence. I have a suggestion:

Colonise the Moon.

They've already considered this. However it would cost over $250 billion dollars. This in addition to the many other projects and missions NASA has would be too expensive for the organisation. Obama scrapped the Constellation program so NASA could keep the other deep space missions like going to Mars alive.

The basic philosophy of launch is different. NASA goes for expensive, polluting and complicated Saturn V rockets. Branson goes for high-flying, cheaper, less polluting and simpler launches into space. NASA has historically had a stranglehold on space stuff in the West. Thank goodness that is changing. Maybe now progress will be measured in months rather than decades.

Nasa hasn't launched a Saturn V since 1972. Apples and oranges here. I'm not sure where Branson comes in here though. Virgin Galactic's spacecraft are sub-orbital. They don't even leave the stratosphere. What Branson does ultimately amounts to high altitude joyriding and media whoring, hardly breaking any technological barriers. If you want a real private space pioneering organisation check out SpaceX. NASA is going to use their Falcon 9 craft for a while after the Space Shuttle.

Space X was also founded by a Saffer...

/MyBB collective high five

... the same guy who co-founded Tesla Motors ...

/MyBB collective gasp

... and was the Iron Man movie's director's inspiration for his interpretation of Tony Stark!

/Nerdgasm
The taxpayer funds NASA. There is no hurry to do anything (it’s not required to be profitable).

Less than 1% of US GDP goes to NASA. I'd say there is a hurry, they have some of the best scientists in the world who are driven by progress. So what if it's not required to be profitable? That doesn't mean that they aren't trying their hardest to innovate, universities aren't required to be profitable either and they crank out research at an astonishing rate. NASA is first and foremost a research entity, not everything they do is geared for practical use.

Time is spent on empire building, recruiting a bloated bureaucracy and politicking.

Probably, but the same could be said of any large organisation.

I would say that any actual space work, is 90% ensuring astronaut’s comfort and 10% space. When money runs-out, begging bowls are rattled at the government. In the time since the Moon landing, NASA may have done 5 years of space work (probably less).

People seem to have a misconception of what NASA does. Space travel is a small subset of what they do. They do all kinds of things from aeronautical engineering, aerospace engineering, astronomy, astrophysics, geology, biology, theoretical physics, meteorology, developing new air traffic control systems etc. You name it they do it. Unfortunately Joe Public only thinks they blast shyte into space so when they're not doing that he thinks they're not doing anything.

There is a new game in town (Branson).

SpaceX pwnzors Branson.

It’s not unreasonable to suppose that another entrepreneur (minus the NASA stranglehold) may begin mining on the Moon and launching Branson’s hotel material into space from the Moon’s gravity well with magnetic launchers (you can’t do this on Earth).

I can understand NASA not really being that fussed about the moon. I'm not saying that they aren't doing anything lunar-related but lots of countries have plans for lunar bases by 2030 so I can understand them wanting to be ahead of the game by focusing on Mars.
Building material for the hotels (and stuff that needs to be launched) will use a Moon-based ‘Rail Gun’ to shoot stuff into Moon orbit.

Interesting. Quite similar to the space elevator and space fountain.

The whole commercialisation of space is an extremely expensive business. Branson can’t do it on his own. However, potential investors are watching him carefully. If Branson can pull-off his innovative launch procedure, they will rush to invest.

This has nothing to do with NASA though. Their goal is research not enterprise.

Cheap launches (without the error-prone NASA Saturn V rockets) is fundamental to opening the ‘final frontier’.

Once again not since the 70's has that thing seen action.

Although it is a high-risk investment, the rewards are mind-bogglingly huge. Another issue for Branson, is the space hotel.

I wonder if Branson will do it first though. I remember seeing a documentary on Discovery HD Showcase about this business that manufacures inflatable modules for use in space. They can be made into labs, living quarters etc. and are just as durable as any metal craft. They already have one in orbit and they can be connected together so the space station, base can be as big as you want.

Casualties
Of course there will be casualties (it’s a frontier, for Crise sake).

Unfortunately.

A manned Mars mission is extremely premature.

I don't see why. If you have the necessary data and simulations on Earth I say go for it. Bleeding edge technology FTW.

Any colony would have to be self-sustaining.

Not immediately. If you have enough resources to last say 5 years at a time it can be done with supply craft refreshing the colony every few years.


Space! The final frontier.

Space Exploration FTW. We demand green skinned chicks!
 
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It would be a good idea to do away with Moon landings entirely. Several years ago Arthur C. Clarke wrote a novel (a good Sci-Fi writer – R.I.P.), ‘The Fountains of Paradise’ (ISBN 0 330 25984 9). If the reader was looking for traditional Space Opera, with scantily clad females being menaced by alien monsters, they would have been disappointed. What it did look at, in comprehensive engineering detail, was the possibility of a ‘space’ elevator between Earth and a point outside the Earth’s atmosphere. Space flight would be no more than a lengthy elevator ride. It was speculative, material science hasn’t developed to a point where it was feasible for Earth gravity.

BUT

It should be investigated for the Moon. The Moon has a profoundly lower gravity and the gravity field is a fraction of Earths and doesn’t stretch out as far. There are some seriously high mountains suitable for a ‘Ground’ floor. The space ‘anchor’ could be a gigantic hunk of ice, a handy passing meteor or Moon rock aggregate shot into position by the Rail Gun.

If this can be pulled-off a true space ship (that never enters planetary atmosphere) can be put into service. Plying a route between an ISS (International Space Station) type entity, where Branson’s shuttles drop-off stuff from Earth, and the ‘Top’ floor of the space elevator. Then the elevator descends through the Moon’s gravity well to the surface. Viola!

Worth investigating.

Asimov also explored "Space Elevators" in his Foundation series.
 
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I hope some serious space dwelling happens in my lifetime. I'm 33yo so they've got about 40-50 years to do it ... unless I die earlier of cancer or in a car accident.

Or of a stroke ... reasonably possibility.
 
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Asimov also explored "Space Elevators" in his Foundation series.

That’s true. It is not an uncommon trope. The difference with Clarke is that he was a legitimate satellite scientist often called in to ‘consult’. I think he was consulted for the GPS satellites for e.g. He looked at the space elevator concept from an engineering perspective. The 1st time this was ever done. Was it really possible or was it just a sci-fi gimmick? According to him, it was possible except material science hadn’t evolved to the point where it was possible on Earth. The point I try to make, is that existing material science might be adequate for the Moon.
 

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Personally I like the "Mars society's" idea of skipping the moon all together, better. Going after a BHAG like Mars - is more in tune with the 60s big dreams/plans when Kennedy announced to have someone on the moon and back before the end of the decade (60's), although it came somewhat later.
Of course I'm not sure if such a mission can run on commercial principles only - although Mars does have more resources than the moon. But once there - colonisation should happen faster than on the Moon.
 

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Personally I like the "Mars society's" idea of skipping the moon all together, better. Going after a BHAG like Mars - is more in tune with the 60s big dreams/plans when Kennedy announced to have someone on the moon and back before the end of the decade (60's), although it came somewhat later.
Of course I'm not sure if such a mission can run on commercial principles only - although Mars does have more resources than the moon. But once there - colonisation should happen faster than on the Moon.

The first manned Lunar landing was on 20th July 1969, definitely within the Kennedy speech timeframe of "this decade" stated in his speech on September 12th 1962.

Given the task seven years was a short timeframe.

But for expanding beyond the earth we need a united effort from the major space players. It is too big for one country.
 
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