Photo Comps

nanonyous said:
No, it wouldn't. If they were identical with the exception of their sharpness at full resolution, they would be equal, assuming the sensors are both working down at the cellphone camera's level of SNR. Dynamic range? Take multiple photos at different exposure values with the cellphone and blend them. This isn't 'HDR', it's fusion of exposures to widen the possible dynamic range of a limited sensor. You'd do this to bring the cellphone up to par with the DSLR.

Working with JPEGs only? Lesser bit depth on the cellphone? Take multiple shots with colour exclusion, blend them in software. Widen the bit depth of the cellphone camera.

In other words, the control you're given on the cellphone camera does matter, yes. The inherent base quality is a lesser issue if you have the human technical ability and time to work with the limitations of the cellphone to draw every last bit of its capability out.
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Sorry the subject moved, and now the moment is gone forever, doing that sort of thing takes a lot of effort on a phone, or point and shoot camera, making action scenes (like 5 finalists in the comp) close to impossible, just my 2c

And dumbing down a DSLR in order for it to match a cell phones tiny sensor is pointless, that's deliberately sabotaging yourself ;), and pointless, fact is if the feature is there, your going to use it, image sensors especially.
 
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Mike Hoxbig said:
Mind posting a link to your pic? I'd love to see it now :D
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Didn't want my post to be about the pic, but about the point I was trying to make.

But any case, this was the photo:

(Apologies, it's wider than 600 pixels, just taken directly of the site where I host my other photos - www.photodom.com)

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johanopperman said:
Didn't want my post to be about the pic, but about the point I was trying to make.

But any case, this was the photo:

(Apologies, it's wider than 600 pixels, just taken directly of the site where I host my other photos - www.photodom.com)

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Those links don't work but I'm thinking croc pulling a baby elephant?
 
johanopperman said:
Didn't want my post to be about the pic, but about the point I was trying to make.

But any case, this was the photo:
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You seem a fair distance from the subject, are you sure an average cellphone camera would have given you a useable image?
 
ClintZA said:
You'd have to pay! :D
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:D

I'm not in it for the money at all.


In fact when I was approached by the news agency to publish it on my behalf (splitting the earnings on a 50/50 basis) I thought to myself, if I can make R 100 out of this, why not. Next day first payment got in.....1,500 Pounds. My flabber was truly gasted.
 
FaSMaN said:
Sorry the subject moved, and now the moment is gone forever, doing that sort of thing takes a lot of effort on a phone, or point and shoot camera, making action scenes (like 5 finalists in the comp) close to impossible, just my 2c

And dumbing down a DSLR in order for it to match a cell phones tiny sensor is pointless, that's deliberately sabotaging yourself ;), and pointless, fact is if the feature is there, your going to use it, image sensors especially.
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In other words, you're unwilling to work within the limitations of a cellphone, you expect it to be able to do everything. You don't always have to take photos of moving things in order for you to get a stunning photo - landscape photography is often a perfect example of this.

And it's not about 'dumbing down' the DSLR. I'm talking about not trying to take a sunlit-looking photo of a moonless night's field of lions with a Leica M9 fitted with a Noctilux f/0.95 and expecting to be able to achieve the same with the cellphone camera. I'm talking about comparing apples to apples, taking shots with the DSLR under circumstances that favour the cellphone.

I'm talking about people whinging and whining "but I can't compete because my cellphone is so limited!" because they're specifically trying to do things with their cellphone that aren't feasible rather than trying to do things with it that it's perfectly capable of.
 
ClintZA said:
You seem a fair distance from the subject, are you sure an average cellphone camera would have given you a useable image?
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Usable enough given the subject. As said, I probably cropped that photo by more than 50% as is.

Point I was trying to make: it's about the subject matter, not always the technicals (obviously technicals are important too, but there are exceptions).
 
nanonyous said:
In other words, you're unwilling to work within the limitations of a cellphone, you expect it to be able to do everything. You don't always have to take photos of moving things in order for you to get a stunning photo - landscape photography is often a perfect example of this.

And it's not about 'dumbing down' the DSLR. I'm talking about not trying to take a sunlit-looking photo of a moonless night's field of lions with a Leica M9 fitted with a Noctilux f/0.95 and expecting to be able to achieve the same with the cellphone camera. I'm talking about comparing apples to apples, taking shots with the DSLR under circumstances that favour the cellphone.

I'm talking about people whinging and whining "but I can't compete because my cellphone is so limited!" because they're specifically trying to do things with their cellphone that aren't feasible rather than trying to do things with it that it's perfectly capable of.
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But Nanonyous, isnt that the argument your trying to justify with "A cell phone camera can be just as capable as a DSLR"

Conditions aside everything has limitations, but in the camera world, the less limitations you have the better chance you have of catching that one perfect moment :) ,that your equipment with you will fit the conditions, and lets be fair not all types of photos are adored equally by the masses.
 
FaSMaN said:
But Nanonyous, isnt that the argument your trying to justify with "A cell phone camera can be just as capable as a DSLR"

Conditions aside everything has limitations, but in the camera world, the less limitations you have the better chance you have of catching that one perfect moment :) , and lets be fair not all types of photos are adored equally by the masses.
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Yeah some shots are possible with a DSLR that aren't possible with a P&S. But getting back to the topic, it's a photography competition. You don't enter a golf competition and then cry about the other guys having better equipment than you do :)
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
Yeah some shots are possible with a DSLR that aren't possible with a P&S. But getting back to the topic, it's a photography competition. You don't enter a golf competition and then cry about the other guys having better equipment than you do :)
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But you may if you enter the small competition down at your local village club and arrive to find Tiger Woods, Ernie Els and the like teeing off...
 
nanonyous said:
I'm sure his trunk stung a bit as well. And he'll never forget that pain.
Ever.
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Well if a crocodile pulled me by my...erm....nose....I wouldn't ever be putting it in water ever again.

Not this chap though, minutes later he was drinking water again, not too far from the croc (this time he just had a couple of his bigger brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles and most importantly his mom) on both sides of him. And soon thereafter the whole herd, including this big boy, walked straight through the dam.

The pain, if any, didn't seem to bother him whatsoever.
 
I never said that you could cry about the situation, just that the argument of "a cell phone camera is just as good as a dslr,so you should have the same chance of winning" doesn't hold water, and yes it was a photography competition, hence why this was brought up.

PS you could use that argument in racing sport though, hence why f1 banned some technology ;)
 
ClintZA said:
But you may if you enter the small competition down at your local village club and arrive to find Tiger Woods, Ernie Els and the like teeing off...
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It's an expensive prize, by no means a small competition.

Heck I won an iPad 3 just by providing feedback on my network operator. There's plenty of competitions guys, try your luck elsewhere, and just keep entering :)
 
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