Plan for no alcohol use by drivers

Picard said:
I think the issue isn't the accidents involving different levels of alcohol.
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Yes it is. If you aren't a danger to people on the roads at a particular level of alcohol concentration then you shouldn't face jailtime for it. It isn't fair.


What the minister is trying to do is motivate drivers to not drink at all.
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Drinking is not the only source of alcohol on the planet so the law does a poor job of addressing this. What this law does is encourage people not to take any medication for fear that they might be arrested as a result. I know I would start thinking twice about taking things like cough syrup or using mouthwash. Any law that creates that sort of scenario is really poorly thought out.


When you go to a party and you know that you can have some alcohol (just under 0.05), many people are going to make the mistake of drinking a little more and thus become illegal.
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and they should face the consequences for that. The law is already in place to ensure that they do.


Not many people know how much really constitutes 0.05 and I've never seen any breathalizer kits at the parties I've been to. That's why she said "people don't know their own limits".
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There are a few placers that have breathalizers available. It is a useful tool I suppose.


But if you accept the fact that you may not have ANY alcohol in your blood, you won't drink and you won't make any mistakes.
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Oh you will still make mistakes, it just may not be with alcoholic beverages. Luckily when you do make that mistake and the police unfairly arrest you you can get a big fat payout and pay off your house and/or car at the taxpayers' expense. Yay government! Making poorly thought out laws since time immemorial! :p
 
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Government is really trying hard to control the people.

No sales on sunday, no sales after hours, no alcohol in blood. Just ban Alcohol and be done with it.
 
porchrat said:
Oh you will still make mistakes, it just may not be with alcoholic beverages. Luckily when you do make that mistake and the police unfairly arrest you you can get a big fat payout and pay off your house and/or car at the taxpayers' expense. Yay government! Making poorly thought out laws since time immemorial! :p
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Like over tiredness... lets ban driving at night.
 
Sinbad said:
How about you provide the evidence where alcohol does not reduce concentration and reflexes, since you are opposing the proposed law?

And note in my first post, I said that "I DON'T AGREE THAT ONE DROP AFFECTS YOUR DRIVING"...
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I actually changed my original post and added sickness which is what you were punting. The law being proposed needs to show the evidence as far as im concerned. If you agree that one drop doesnt effect your driving , do you then not agree that the solution to the situation is enforcement of current laws not additional laws?
 
Sinbad said:
Walking used to be banned on the freeway anyway. So why the **** are they there?
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Exactly. Yes there are laws to address walking on freeways already and if we just enforced those effectively it wouldn't be a problem but that isn't important. What is important is that we need to ban ALL walking. That is the only way to stop it.
 
Cop; blow into this pipe
sober person: blows
Cop: You are over 0.0%, cuffs person, throws them into the wagon

No equipment is 100% accurate and with the push for zero tolerance the above will be perfectly acceptable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breathalyzer#Common_sources_of_error
Go read the wiki link, zero tolerance is a theoretical good idea in practice it will just be used to persecute people the police dislike.
 
porchrat said:
Exactly. Yes there are laws to address walking on freeways already and if we just enforced those effectively it wouldn't be a problem but that isn't important. What is important is that we need to ban ALL walking. That is the only way to stop it.
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OK I see your point. I really don't support any sort of drinking and driving though, even if it's just 1.
 
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Good idea, impossible to implement fairly. We have the clowns-in-charge-factor in ZA remember.
 
Sinbad said:
Walking used to be banned on the freeway anyway. So why the **** are they there?
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It is the standard approach of this government to shift the blame to others. They should be policing the freeways but it is easier to blame motorists for driving into the idiots.
 
I have a problem with the mindset behind this. Zero tolerance and zero alcohol don't need to be mutually inclusive.

I'm all for zero tolerance for idividual above the legal alcohol limit. Is the department suggesting that accidents are only caused by people below the 0.05g/100mL mark? If not, aren't they then to some extent admitting that they're letting people get away with driving drunk? And if you're letting people get away with, or create the impression of no severe consequences for driving drunk, then changing the limit will have absolutely no effect.
 
Totally for this, however it will be very difficult to implement. Bribes will be a problem
 
I will support this until it's proven that it makes little or no difference to the accident rate.
 
Sinbad said:
OK I see your point. I really don't support any sort of drinking and driving though, even if it's just 1.
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As long as you aren't a danger to those around you then I don't really see a problem with having alcohol in your system while driving. While the current system may not be perfect attempting to use a system where no alcohol reading on a breathaliser is permitted at all is going to cause all sort of problems. Not only can people consume alcohol inadvertently through some medication or mouthwash to a point at which alcohol is present but doesn't impair their ability to operate a motor vehicle so as to pose a danger to others on the road, but breathalisers themselves are not 100% accurate.

Having a system of no alcohol allowed whatsoever would lead to plenty of arrests and potential jailtime for people that really don't deserve it. For example I certainly wouldn't want to end up in prison because I dared to wash my mouth out with Listerine before heading out to work in the morning or because the machine produced some slight erroneous reading.
 
porchrat said:
... I certainly wouldn't want to end up in prison because I dared to wash my mouth out with Listerine before heading out to work in the morning or because the machine produced some slight erroneous reading.
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this.
 
What about people that gargled with a mouth wash, took medicine that contains alcohol, or just used some of that breath spray?
 
Great news this. I welcome it. Now let's have the enforcement too.
 
ponder said:
What about people that gargled with a mouth wash, took medicine that contains alcohol, or just used some of that breath spray?
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Should have thought of that before you broke you law you criminal scum!!! :mad:


McT said:
Great news this. I welcome it. Now let's have the enforcement too.
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Think about how horrifically stupid this proposal is for just a moment before you jump on the bandwagon.
 
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