Playing Games Slowly

Sworaxe said:
Also, this obsession with everything needing to be min maxed or played with 100% most efficient walkthrough guides.
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Agree 100%. However, walkthroughs and guides do serve a purpose. One I'm actually disappointed Playstation/Xbox/Steam didn't capitalize on because its so easy to do with overlays already in place. Imagine pressing the guide button on your controller and up pops a wiki and walkthrough/guide instead of irrelevant links.

Want to farm the best gear on Borderlands? No, you didn't know which bosses to farm, you looked it up.

Want to 100% quests in Elden Ring? No, you didn't know and where to talk to them, you looked it up.

Want to play something like Path of Exile or Warframe? No, you didn't have any idea what to do about anything, you looked it up.

For the past two weeks I've been playing visual novels again and if I were playing them without walkthrough mods I would have missed 70% of content and reached dead-end paths. Walkthroughs as such made my experience better, not worse.
 
Rayne said:
Agree 100%. However, walkthroughs and guides do serve a purpose. One I'm actually disappointed Playstation/Xbox/Steam didn't capitalize on because its so easy to do with overlays already in place. Imagine pressing the guide button on your controller and up pops a wiki and walkthrough/guide instead of irrelevant links.

Want to farm the best gear on Borderlands? No, you didn't know which bosses to farm, you looked it up.

Want to 100% quests in Elden Ring? No, you didn't know and where to talk to them, you looked it up.

Want to play something like Path of Exile or Warframe? No, you didn't have any idea what to do about anything, you looked it up.

For the past two weeks I've been playing visual novels again and if I were playing them without walkthrough mods I would have missed 70% of content and reached dead-end paths. Walkthroughs as such made my experience better, not worse.
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Matter of opinion really
A lot of people rely on guides and walkthroughs

I enjoy discovering or figuring something out myself. I avoid guides and walkthroughs completely and see them as spoiler content

But then, I did start gaming in the 80's playing games like Hugo's House of Horrors, Police Quest and Leisure Suit Larry which were notoriously difficult and we had no means of getting walkthroughs and guides. You just stuck with it and tried everything until you figured it out
 
wbot said:
Well the first game looks nice too.
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I've finished the first one twice, trying different approaches, making different decisions and building different buildings to my first playthrough in my village (From the Ashes DLC)

I've played about 100 hours into my second hardcore playthrough of KCD 2 and not close to finishing the game. I've been too busy building up my forge (Legacy of the Forge DLC)

Two of the best medieval games ever made
 
Beyond.Celsus said:
I've finished the first one twice, trying different approaches, making different decisions and building different buildings to my first playthrough in my village (From the Ashes DLC)

I've played about 100 hours into my second hardcore playthrough of KCD 2 and not close to finishing the game. I've been too busy building up my forge (Legacy of the Forge DLC)

Two of the best medieval games ever made
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Haha I don't have a clue what these games are even about or what type of games they are.

But they look like something I might be interested in and I'm getting Witcher 3 medieval open world vibes which is good. No idea if that's a valid comparison or not. That plus I've seen people saying amazing things about KCD2 so want to check it out for myself.
 
Rayne said:
What is "KPIs"?"

As someone who's been gaming since, what even was it, 2000? Not counting my teens as back then highschool days were spent playing rugby and chasing skirts unlike todays generation of snowflakes fapping to furries on their cell phones. I mean actual gaming, not tourist wannabe gaming. 5-7h a sitting gaming and double that on weekends.
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I have been playing since '86 and did all of the above AND still enjoyed my games.
Rayne said:
Let me tell you the secret to enjoy gaming -

Stop listening to your friends.
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Ye, OK that is true. Don't let anyone sap your joy.
Enjoy the games you like as you like them.

I do get sad though when I hear someone say that "The last of us" was a meh FPS and they finished it in 5 hours.
Some people do need to change the way they experience certain games.
 
wbot said:
Haha I don't have a clue what these games are even about or what type of games they are.

But they look like something I might be interested in and I'm getting Witcher 3 medieval open world vibes which is good. No idea if that's a valid comparison or not. That plus I've seen people saying amazing things about KCD2 so want to check it out for myself.
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Witcher 3's open world doesn't come close
For starters, Witcher 3 NPC's have no AI

In KCD 2 not only do they have AI, routines, and jobs, like in Bethesda RPG's (Before Starfail) but in KCD it goes further, they have memories

For example if you break into someone's house and they catch you, they will chase you out and then search their belongings for anything missing. If they do find something missing they will inform the guards and send them to you, since they caught you in their house

Afterwards that same NPC will be suspicious of you for a few days whether you were caught with stolen items or not

It's crazy
 
Insint said:
That's because that's how live is these days. Results results results.

Everything is about speed instead of the yourney getting there.

I absolutely love slow paced games with long movie scenes because the yourney is great.

Take Metal gear solid as a example.
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I'm playing now outer worlds 2 without mini map, no indicators, no updates, etc. So you literally are "naked" in the world, walking about, taking your time, using your actual awareness, needing to open journal and remember what you read ~ and I must say I like this.

It may sound ****ing terrible and hard word but quite the opposite. Sit back, relax and let it happen instead of LOOK HERE!!!!!!!! GO THERE!!!!!!!!!! THIS UPDATE!!!!!!!!!! THAT THING!!!!!!!!!
 
Beyond.Celsus said:
Matter of opinion really
A lot of people rely on guides and walkthroughs

I enjoy discovering or figuring something out myself. I avoid guides and walkthroughs completely and see them as spoiler content
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Which is quite sad IMHO.
0% chance of naturally figuring out some elden ring quests.
 
Herr der Verboten said:
I'm playing now outer worlds 2 without mini map, no indicators, no updates, etc. So you literally are "naked" in the world, walking about, taking your time, using your actual awareness, needing to open journal and remember what you read ~ and I must say I like this.

It may sound ****ing terrible and hard word but quite the opposite. Sit back, relax and let it happen instead of LOOK HERE!!!!!!!! GO THERE!!!!!!!!!! THIS UPDATE!!!!!!!!!! THAT THING!!!!!!!!!
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Sounds great, you would absolutely love The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind.
 
Sworaxe said:
Blame Twitch / YT streamers for this trend,
People see how streamers play and think that's how everyone should do it.
Forgetting streamers can't sit around and slowly take things in and enjoy it, that's not entertaining to watch.
Asmongold even discussed this a number of times on his stream, he does not stream certain games because he wants to take his time and enjoy them. He even says it would not make for an entertaining stream to watch.

Take your time, enjoy the experience. I still haven't completed red dead redemption 2 despite having hundreds of hours in it.
I just enjoy strolling around town, playing poker, blackjack, hunting in the wild. Just chilling. Similar with Cyberpunk 2077.
I clocked 570 hours in Baldur's gate 3 before finally completing a single playthrough.
Just between the two steam copies for Skyrim, have over 2000 hours, not finished, but that is more so because I keep adding mods.

People out here playing games like it's a work assignment or a competition.
Also, this obsession with everything needing to be min maxed or played with 100% most efficient walkthrough guides.
At that point, are even playing the game, or just executing a set of instructions.

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I still cannot fathom why anyone would sit and watch other people play games instead of doing it themselves for hours on end.

Different story if you are watching something to learn from it so you can then do it yourself.
 
SauRoNZA said:
I still cannot fathom why anyone would sit and watch other people play games instead of doing it themselves for hours on end.

Different story if you are watching something to learn from it so you can then do it yourself.
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quite simple:


1. Shits and giggles / entertainment (streamer is "rather entertaining")



2. Guides / what other people are doing to beat / play to assist with git good or more ideas to apply yourself
personally here I watch 2 or 3 different takes to see how other people may approach a boss or whatever when I get stuck, the classic darksouls OG method of go lookup what you are doing wrong and or do some R/D.



3. Lore



For me personally I thought these reasons were self explanatory; but you covered point two. haha.
 
Herr der Verboten said:
quite simple:


1. Shits and giggles / entertainment (streamer is "rather entertaining")



2. Guides / what other people are doing to beat / play to assist with git good or more ideas to apply yourself
personally here I watch 2 or 3 different takes to see how other people may approach a boss or whatever when I get stuck, the classic darksouls OG method of go lookup what you are doing wrong and or do some R/D.



3. Lore



For me personally I thought these reasons were self explanatory; but you covered point two. haha.
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Yeah like I said those things make sense.

But then it seems people start there and just stick around for hours on end watching mundane kak.

I mean I have people at work who have other people following them while they just play random games…they aren’t doing guides etc.

And all the points you made above apart from the first aren’t really suited to live streaming, they make far more sense in edited YouTube videos.

Like I watch a lot of Magic The Gathering Arena content on YouTube to see what decks people use and how, but you’ll never find me watching that live for hours on end for the 5min that might be noteworthy.
 
Herr der Verboten said:
I can give it a go, its just that combat.
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That's because with Morrowind it still followed traditional RPG rules before they started mainstreaming with Oblivion and then just went completely to action hack and slash with Skyrim

Behind every hit in Morrowind there is a dice role that calculates skills, gear, hit chance, weapon stats, weapon skill etc. That is why with a level 1 character you miss 90% of your attacks

Morrowind is not for everyone
 
Beyond.Celsus said:
That's because with Morrowind it still followed traditional RPG rules before they started mainstreaming with Oblivion and then just went completely to action hack and slash with Skyrim

Behind every hit in Morrowind there is a dice role that calculates skills, gear, hit chance, weapon stats, weapon skill etc. That is why with a level 1 character you miss 90% of your attacks

Morrowind is not for everyone
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Pretty much why I stopped last time, I get the combat, I've watched the documentaries and design on it, but it literally camps it up. It's the same design issue when make up your 1st dungeon and realise maybe I should not have put 10 monsters in each room, because god, clearing 10 monsters per room for a dnd session is too long....

That design, and I know why / understand it, works well on paper and in an actual pnp dnd session, but it does not translate well into a game. I haven't looked into daggerfall as with this much detail yet, and I wonder if they tried the same thing there.

So when you arrive at said place, and you want to actually do something, that isn't as guided as nowadays games, you are literally ****ed by the game's design and that is why I just stopped. It was fun getting there, it was fun ****ing around, but when I wanted to do X it was never possible because everyone else was playing another game on another level and being "low" meant no hits or kills no matter what you do.

In contrast light night session with outerworlds 2, at that point I'm not even on a quest or not even sure what the quest was for where I am at, I'm trying to kill the crabs without getting crabs, and I surely were too low level there but through persistence, parkour, and some other weir ****, I managed to clear all of the crabs. Of course that that state I had no bullets and I had to go and raid close by farm for bullets, as well as run and gun like durban looters in another location to get loaded, and when I were loaded I went back and finished the job properly at that mysterious cave.

One session (morrowind) just never went fruition because if its system
The other session (outerworlds 2) went my direction after boss-level it

So unless there is a fundamental patch fix that, I'm not going to reinvest into morrowind.
 
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