Pokemon Go!

Baxteen said:
it should never take half an hour to make a spot at the gym.

find the pokemon with a type advantage on its attack that is a lower CP than the FIRST pokemon in the gym
start off the fight by dodging the first two attacks.
then hit it once, and wait for the gym to attack again, and dodge that.
then hit it twice and wait to dodge again.
by then you should know if you can get a three attacks in a row in before you dodge.
use your charge attack after the gym pokemon has used its charge attack.

that should be all you need to beat the first pokemon. run from the second.
heal your lower CP pokemon.
give Gym 500 prestige.

repeat this process, but this time you know how many attacks you can get in.
still dodge the first two attacks.

4 of those battles should give you a spot in the gym. (its always about 2000 prestige to add to a gym at least up until level 9 that is the highest gym I have added too)

Remember, the AI will always give 2 attacks in a row at the start of the battle, then only attack every 2 seconds. your pokemon have different attack speeds, this is why I suggested the way to learn how many attacks you can get in before you need to dodge.

and yes there is a way you can finish an entire battle without taking a single point of damage. but most of the time, you will not dodge the entire charge attack as its duration is longer than the dodge duration.

the latest Trainer Tips video explains this process much better.
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Video explanation

[video=youtube;HpNzX8ICi90]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpNzX8ICi90[/video]
 
tsume said:
Video explanation
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that is the one I mention in that very post. I was just too lazy to go find it. mostly because its a really good channel and more people should watch it.
sure his voice is boring, but his content is amazing.
 
SlowInternet said:
To my surprise I took a Gym with no fighting. There was nobody there and there always used to be somebody controlling the Gym. Strange ?
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So you are the bastard that stole the gym that I fought so hard for. Was reviving my critters, before I could take control someone took it.
 
bar1 said:
is it still safe to use gostats?
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unfortunately not.

the dev of goStats got a take down notification, so he pushed out an update disabling his service, added a pop up to the app that tells you to uninstall it.

good guy.
 
Baxteen said:
that is the one I mention in that very post. I was just too lazy to go find it. mostly because its a really good channel and more people should watch it.
sure his voice is boring, but his content is amazing.
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Plus his never done a click bait style video, he actually talks about what's in the title of the video.
 
Another question, when I come across a nice pokemon I catch it and then log in with my son's account to catch it for him as well. Will this be considered illegal. I only allow him to play over the weekend, thus he don't come across a lot of pokemon.
 
Baxteen said:
While I do agree the game was released light on features, the bots have made it all worse.

how many server crashes was there becacsue a bot coded by an amateur spammed the server?
how many times did Niantice think the tracking system worked fine because all the bots were finding pokemon?

no EVERYONE involved in ANY form of botting is directly responsible for the slower roll out internationally, the lack of features they all claim to be working towards.
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This is really not the case. The majority of bots would have not been able to be installed by a non-technical person (most people already struggle sideloading an APK). The APIs used are the same API's the Pokemon app uses and people have reverse engineered the APIs and the payload. Niantic's servers went down way before bots surfaced as they had not anticipated load. Any infrastructure with APIs would have rate-limiting in place to manage/reject server load and Niantic did not have this in place properly to start with (let's not forget that they used the same platform Ingress was build on, so this is nothing new, although the scale of PokemonGo is huge in comparison).

Since the API is well defined, servers do not break and the userbase of BOT users was small when Niantic experienced issues. Before someone now comes and says "Uh, bot developers have violated the TOS by using the API" - how about all the users (like you) who are using the app in a non-rollout country - this violates the TOS by using content in a "non-licensed" country by side-loading the APK or signing up to another store with fake details.

I fully agree that action should be taken against people who abused the API for commercial gain (selling of trainer accounts) and people who used it with criminal intent (i.e. harvesting Google account credentials). Researchers who reverse engineer code and solutions generally contribute to security of apps and despite my account being banned, I sent a long list of feature recommendations to Niantic and hopefully some of them will eventually be implemented.

I am not sure why you are so upset about all of it. You seem to take this very personally - it is just a game build on top of a few bytes and legacy infrastructure (Ingress) and there is nothing special/depth to it. The Ingress or geo-caching players will know what I mean when it comes to player-etiquette (this does not exist with PokemonGo). Bots will continue to work and I doubt that Niantic will ever be able to do much about it (this is no different to how people use aim-bots on PC) - it is something you just have to live with - life ain't fair :whistle:

BTW: One of my PTC accounts is boting around our complex and I am currently sitting with 124/151 Pokemon. There are 3 pokestops surrounding the estate and eventually I will have all the Pokemon - even this an experiment to see how long it will take to hatch rare Pokemon and record stats. I will never have an inclination to use the account for anything else. Driving from gym-to-gym to take them over is just plain boring.
 
Vercogen said:
Another question, when I come across a nice pokemon I catch it and then log in with my son's account to catch it for him as well. Will this be considered illegal. I only allow him to play over the weekend, thus he don't come across a lot of pokemon.
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Reckon this should be fine, many families might have limited number of devices and play that way.
 
Vercogen said:
Another question, when I come across a nice pokemon I catch it and then log in with my son's account to catch it for him as well. Will this be considered illegal. I only allow him to play over the weekend, thus he don't come across a lot of pokemon.
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This is considered cheating - the Ingress (and I suppose also PokemonGO) etiquette includes that the game should be played on a mobile device and to get outside to explore. In the most purist way, you should not sit on a chair spinning pokestops.

You are considered a cheater - https://support.pokemongo.nianticlabs.com/hc/en-us/articles/221993967
- using modified or unofficial software;
- playing with multiple accounts (one account per player, please);
- sharing accounts;
- using tools or techniques to alter or falsify your location;
- or selling/trading accounts.
 
MagicDude4Eva said:
This is really not the case. The majority of bots would have not been able to be installed by a non-technical person (most people already struggle sideloading an APK). The APIs used are the same API's the Pokemon app uses and people have reverse engineered the APIs and the payload. Niantic's servers went down way before bots surfaced as they had not anticipated load. Any infrastructure with APIs would have rate-limiting in place to manage/reject server load and Niantic did not have this in place properly to start with (let's not forget that they used the same platform Ingress was build on, so this is nothing new, although the scale of PokemonGo is huge in comparison).

Since the API is well defined, servers do not break and the userbase of BOT users was small when Niantic experienced issues. Before someone now comes and says "Uh, bot developers have violated the TOS by using the API" - how about all the users (like you) who are using the app in a non-rollout country - this violates the TOS by using content in a "non-licensed" country by side-loading the APK or signing up to another store with fake details.

I fully agree that action should be taken against people who abused the API for commercial gain (selling of trainer accounts) and people who used it with criminal intent (i.e. harvesting Google account credentials). Researchers who reverse engineer code and solutions generally contribute to security of apps and despite my account being banned, I sent a long list of feature recommendations to Niantic and hopefully some of them will eventually be implemented.

I am not sure why you are so upset about all of it. You seem to take this very personally - it is just a game build on top of a few bytes and legacy infrastructure (Ingress) and there is nothing special/depth to it. The Ingress or geo-caching players will know what I mean when it comes to player-etiquette (this does not exist with PokemonGo). Bots will continue to work and I doubt that Niantic will ever be able to do much about it (this is no different to how people use aim-bots on PC) - it is something you just have to live with - life ain't fair :whistle:

BTW: One of my PTC accounts is boting around our complex and I am currently sitting with 124/151 Pokemon. There are 3 pokestops surrounding the estate and eventually I will have all the Pokemon - even this an experiment to see how long it will take to hatch rare Pokemon and record stats. I will never have an inclination to use the account for anything else. Driving from gym-to-gym to take them over is just plain boring.
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Thor187 is considered a technical person. just think about that. go read his posts.

while I do agree Niantic will never be able to fully ban bots, I strongly feel the only way to get rid of bots is by Shaming bot users.
and that is why it seems like I take this very personal. because you, and other bot creators have made it easy enough to set up a bot that somepeople who have no buisness doing something like that can do it.
so you should be shamed, and banned.
 
Vercogen said:
Another question, when I come across a nice pokemon I catch it and then log in with my son's account to catch it for him as well. Will this be considered illegal. I only allow him to play over the weekend, thus he don't come across a lot of pokemon.
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Should be fine, IMO it's the same as playing on two devices at the same time and catching the same pokemon. (Have seen many people doing this)
 
Deadmanza said:
Magicdude proved us both wrong :p See post #1790
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I saw just now :D But I still think it's fine, I mean it's not like both accounts belong to him. (and trading isn't active yet so farming on two devices and then trading to a main device can't happen yet)

But ooh well :whistle:
 
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Baxteen said:
unfortunately not.

the dev of goStats got a take down notification, so he pushed out an update disabling his service, added a pop up to the app that tells you to uninstall it.

good guy.
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you reckon i can still use it for previous stats?
without refreshing.

edit: i will disable data and try to use it.
 
bar1 said:
you reckon i can still use it for previous stats?
without refreshing.

edit: i will disable data and try to use it.
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AFAIK you can, but I would not risk it. rather uninstall and go the manual calculation route.
 
Baxteen said:
4 of those battles should give you a spot in the gym. (its always about 2000 prestige to add to a gym at least up until level 9 that is the highest gym I have added too)
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From level 4 it's a lot more than 2000 prestige per gym level.
 
Baxteen said:
and that is why it seems like I take this very personal. because you, and other bot creators have made it easy enough to set up a bot that somepeople who have no buisness doing something like that can do it.
so you should be shamed, and banned.
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I worked on command line bots. It would not be easy to get it going without knowledge of Python, virtualenv and OS X homebrew (or a ton of dependencies on Windows) - never mind that contributions are done via git and there was never a release (i.e. something you can download, unzip and just run). I do agree, that many other developers used some of that code-base (and the encrypt.so from another project) to develop the sideloaded apps. The Thor187's would have downloaded the APK version of the bot and then run it in an Android emulator. This is not what we did - it is far more involved/technical than just sideloading some APK.

Niantic has a report function and most >level30 users are cheaters in one way or another (even the guys who sit on top of a gym/pokestop - yes I am talking about the fatties over there at Didata who have the only physical exercise when spinning pokestops on the loo).

Dom8 said:
I saw just now :D But I still think it's fine, I mean it's not like both accounts belong to him. (and trading isn't active yet so farming on two devices and then trading to a main device can't happen yet)

But ooh well :whistle:
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Once the trading functionality comes in, Niantic will fingerprint your device and you will have a very slim chance to go undetected. The trading functionality is going to be so limited anyhow, that there is no commercial benefit for most.
 
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