Pokemon Go!

Yep, a lot of bots have shut themselves down but there are still tons out there.

I can personally only chuckle though at this stage. Seems like my main account on my phone has been banned. Now this is a completely clean account and device, no rooting/spoofing/sniping.

3 accounts I went full out with though with bots are untouched.
 
Yep, a lot of bots have shut themselves down but there are still tons out there.

I can personally only chuckle though at this stage. Seems like my main account on my phone has been banned. Now this is a completely clean account and device, no rooting/spoofing/sniping.

3 accounts I went full out with though with bots are untouched.

good.

sounds like they picked up you and the bots used the same IP and banned your reall account. the one that hurts more. I hope your bot accounts get banned and I hope they ban every single acount you create in the future.

and that goes for every single other person who has ever used a bot.

the reason I say this is because I have been screwed over by GPS spoofers, and I have worked my ass off to get to level 26, and honestly you and other botters like you have caused my Fiance to nearly quit because that removes the fun.

more so than the three step bug, more so then the servers dying. botters and gps spoofers are the real problem
 
The other thing that piss me of is fighting a half hour on a gym to get a spot open, and as soon as I get one open a bot will take it immediately. :(
 
more so than the three step bug, more so then the servers dying. botters and gps spoofers are the real problem

If you are into gym battles and the like.

Some people are perfectly happy just trying to collect them all.

:)
 
Anyone of you seen an egg in a gym? Apparently its a glitch that allows you to load an egg as a gym leader. This egg will be invulnerable due to its lack of stats.
 
The other thing that piss me of is fighting a half hour on a gym to get a spot open, and as soon as I get one open a bot will take it immediately. :(

it should never take half an hour to make a spot at the gym.

find the pokemon with a type advantage on its attack that is a lower CP than the FIRST pokemon in the gym
start off the fight by dodging the first two attacks.
then hit it once, and wait for the gym to attack again, and dodge that.
then hit it twice and wait to dodge again.
by then you should know if you can get a three attacks in a row in before you dodge.
use your charge attack after the gym pokemon has used its charge attack.

that should be all you need to beat the first pokemon. run from the second.
heal your lower CP pokemon.
give Gym 500 prestige.

repeat this process, but this time you know how many attacks you can get in.
still dodge the first two attacks.

4 of those battles should give you a spot in the gym. (its always about 2000 prestige to add to a gym at least up until level 9 that is the highest gym I have added too)

Remember, the AI will always give 2 attacks in a row at the start of the battle, then only attack every 2 seconds. your pokemon have different attack speeds, this is why I suggested the way to learn how many attacks you can get in before you need to dodge.

and yes there is a way you can finish an entire battle without taking a single point of damage. but most of the time, you will not dodge the entire charge attack as its duration is longer than the dodge duration.

the latest Trainer Tips video explains this process much better.
 
Anyone of you seen an egg in a gym? Apparently its a glitch that allows you to load an egg as a gym leader. This egg will be invulnerable due to its lack of stats.

glich got fixed on the fly yesterday already, it was a server side fix.
 
good.

sounds like they picked up you and the bots used the same IP and banned your reall account. the one that hurts more. I hope your bot accounts get banned and I hope they ban every single acount you create in the future.

and that goes for every single other person who has ever used a bot.

the reason I say this is because I have been screwed over by GPS spoofers, and I have worked my ass off to get to level 26, and honestly you and other botters like you have caused my Fiance to nearly quit because that removes the fun.

more so than the three step bug, more so then the servers dying. botters and gps spoofers are the real problem

Well in the first instance I completely agree with you, bots kill the game and I've been saying that in this thread for some time. My personal venture into the bots was simply to see what they could do and how efficient they were, have no intention to play on those accounts. For what its worth though there are no bots to effectively take and control gyms, those are simply players spoofing their locations.

As to what I find interesting though, my main account was in no way linked to the ones I used for botting and I honestly hope that someone else who has spent money/time on the game doesn't get hit in the same manner. For clarity:

I have an old laptop at home I use for throw away purposes, anything I don't mind losing in the long term goes on there.
Said laptop runs solely on an ADSL line via Ethernet on ISP1, no wifi setup for the house at all, no other wired connections to the ADSL either, just that single laptop.
All other devices in the house run on a seperate connection via ISP2 or mobile data.
There is physically no way to link the accounts I botted to my main account on my phone as:

My main account was only used on my phone
Botted accounts were only run on said laptop
My phone cannot connect to the network that the bots were on as there is no WiFi nor can I shove a cable into it
Laptop cannot connect to the network that my phone is on as it is wired to a seperate network/WiFi is disabled/Access to other network has never been setup
 
If you are into gym battles and the like.

Some people are perfectly happy just trying to collect them all.

:)

gym battles gives you pokecoins.
pokecoins buy incubators.
2 incubators every 3 days if you take 10 gyms a day before you claim.

incubators hatch you region spesific pokemon.
I want to catch them all (sitting on 122 unique ones caught right now)

ergo in order to catch them all, you need to fight gyms JUST as much as you need to hit pokestops.
 
gym battles gives you pokecoins.
pokecoins buy incubators.
2 incubators every 3 days if you take 10 gyms a day before you claim.

incubators hatch you region spesific pokemon.
I want to catch them all (sitting on 122 unique ones caught right now)

ergo in order to catch them all, you need to fight gyms JUST as much as you need to hit pokestops.

True.

But I don't have the time or inclination to drive around and take gyms that many gyms - and also - you aren't guaranteed to hold a gym in a busy area for all that long.
 
True.

But I don't have the time or inclination to drive around and take gyms that many gyms - and also - you aren't guaranteed to hold a gym in a busy area for all that long.

we have a set route we drive.
we normally go out at about 10:00 takes us about 40 mins to get to 10 gyms. because most of them get taken back the next day.

all you need, is to not be alone, fight smart, and claim as soon as you have 10 gyms.
 
we have a set route we drive.
we normally go out at about 10:00 takes us about 40 mins to get to 10 gyms. because most of them get taken back the next day.

all you need, is to not be alone, fight smart, and claim as soon as you have 10 gyms.

Hmmm, that's not an awful plan.
 
Hmmm, that's not an awful plan.

the key is knowing your area, where the gyms are, and what route to drive to limit the time spent between gyms.

also, it is sometimes more efficient to take a level 7 gym of a different team then it is to add to a level 4 gym of your team. this is why our route goes past 14 gyms.
 
Well in the first instance I completely agree with you, bots kill the game and I've been saying that in this thread for some time. My personal venture into the bots was simply to see what they could do and how efficient they were, have no intention to play on those accounts. For what its worth though there are no bots to effectively take and control gyms, those are simply players spoofing their locations.

I contributed to one of the bots on Github which is still going strong but unlike most other bots (which eventually then got abused) was different. It never started out to be about cheating or taking over gyms or sniping pokemon. It was about reverse-engineering the Niantic APIs and then writing code which could simulate human behavior and then include some cool features like the "Pokemon organiser" which would automatically transfer/evolve Pokemons with certain stats (i.e. get rid of all those damn Zubats with a CP less than 400 and IV less than .95) or automatically pick an Ultraball when running into a rare Pokemon. Many of those features should really be in the Pokemon game to start with and over time will become a grind (i.e. you need 400 Magikarp candies to evolve and after you have caught a good hundred of those, there is a ZERO chance that they will not be caught - or also be any higher than 160CP).

Figuring out when Niantic soft-banned and how poor their background infrastructure actually works (at least how the APIs work) was also interesting. I always thought that they would soft- and hard-ban people almost immediately if someone turns up with a non-country IP in another location. They still don't do it and it seems that they mostly banned users who teleported with the same IP across various countries to catch rare Pokemon.

FWIW - you did not need a BOT to spoof a location. Anyone with an Android phone and the SDK could do this with a simple HelloWorld app (or via XCode). Bots just automated the process of walking and catching Pokemon. Other apps allowed to "walk" by using the cursor keys - in most cases those are the people who take over gyms (i.e. teleport to a location, then take over all gyms by walking around). This has been going on with Ingress (and any other geo-caching application) way before Pokemon surfaced.

I do think that Niantic should not ban the usage of "manual bots" as IMO there are very valid uses out there (but with limitation of not taking over gyms or allowing of trading etc) - you will be surprised how many physically limited people would like to participate in this but otherwise can not practically do it. I know of many people who used the manual BOT to "walk" around in their neighbourhood and many of them spend a lot of in-store money for upgrades - so this is a bit of an issue for Niantic - many users without anywhere to go, but quite willing to part with lots of money for lures/eggs/incubators etc. That is also the reason why the ban-wave was tolerated for so long - most people BOTed in nest-areas with lures and XP-eggs out to level accounts so that they could sell them.

There are also many other ways you can cheat without using the BOT but just calling a number of APIs - I am sure that this will be blocked soon as well. Unfortunately most users of those bots used it for commercial purposes and to cheat - guys started to spin up bot-farms on AWS and started selling accounts with various Pokemon - this is still going on, although now a lot more sophisticated with VPNs and much more "human simulation" (i.e. slower walk speeds, breaks, sleep times, missing some pokemon, not throwing perfect catches etc) and Niantic will never be able to detect and block those accounts as the bots do the same thing as the app does (it still calls the same APIs which are now fully reverse-engineered).

What has not been mentioned is that a number of bots have actually harvested the PTC / Google app credentials and sold them off and since most people use Google accounts you can understand the implications of this. So if you have been naive enough to use your own Google / Gmail account you better make sure to change your credentials if you used a bot.

Interesting stats (I was banned as part of the GPS ban-hammer - although travel time permitting, visited US, AUZ, JP, France, Spain and UK) in about 2 weeks with BOT running for about 5 hours / day:
Code:
Total Exp: 1318659
Exp to Lvl 28: 218659 / 250000
Pokemon Encountered: 4564
Pokeballs Thrown: 8356
Pokemon Caught: 4126
Small Ratata Caught: 21
Pokemon Evolved: 258
Eggs Hatched: 193
Unique Pokedex Entries: 123
PokeStops Visited: 6382
Kilometers Walked: 809.32

Niantic only threw the ban-hammer because very soon they will introduce trading and a number of other commercial offers, but they have not been able to get the botting under control and once the commercial features come, you will see many offers on eBay for high-level accounts/Pokemon traded surface. I am pretty sure that they will completely rework their API to avoid reverse-engineering, but it will be tough, as the payload will always have to travel between your phone and their servers.
 
it should never take half an hour to make a spot at the gym.

find the pokemon with a type advantage on its attack that is a lower CP than the FIRST pokemon in the gym........... SNIP

Thanks Baxteen
 
While I do agree the game was released light on features, the bots have made it all worse.

how many server crashes was there becacsue a bot coded by an amateur spammed the server?
how many times did Niantice think the tracking system worked fine because all the bots were finding pokemon?

no EVERYONE involved in ANY form of botting is directly responsible for the slower roll out internationally, the lack of features they all claim to be working towards.

if you add to a system at work do you work on live? no you work on a test enviroment, you guys with the bots have litrally been working on live, breaking the systems, overloading the servers.

and there is no justification. I hope that when your real accounts that do not get banned get used you never encounter any rare pokemon unless you do not have any pokeballs, and I hope every single Pidgey and Rattata takes you 5 balls to catch at minimum.

actually scratch that, I hope you only encounter Paras, Rattata and Speerow, because you do not even deserve to get the stardust and evolution gains from pidgeys, catepies and weedles.
 
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