Police Brutality Thread

Fine,just making sure everyone realises it.;) Not just directed at you, I said you guys.:D

I just take issue with people who tend to see South Africa's problems as unique is all. The whole world is sadly full of unscrupulous bastards.
 
I see ZASucks pulling the victim card in regards to police brutality.
 
LOL, please dude, no one has mentioned any of that stuff, we are talking about real cases of brutality here. I have much respect for the good cops out there. they put their lives on the line for the betterment of the communities they serve and I will always praise them for it. But the criminal element in the police needs to be exposed, every time there is an incident, it's vital.

Just trying to reinforce that the majority of cops are not violent thugs, I am all for exsposing them and sticking them in jail or out of the SAPS

But some children on the site dont seem to get that

VioAdmin
**** the police

DreamKing
protect your useless collegeues and friends
 
Just trying to reinforce that the majority of cops are not violent thugs, I am all for exsposing them and sticking them in jail or out of the SAPS

But some children on the site dont seem to get that

In 2009 ....

Law breakers cannot be law enforcers

Dianne Kohler Barnard, Shadow Minister of Police
24 August 2009

This morning’s reports of police officers who have been convicted of crimes and who are subsequently allowed to continue to work as police officers, is a long standing problem and one that must be rectified as a matter of urgency.

Convicted SAPS members as well as officers charged with crimes, appear to still be working for the Service. The fact that law breakers are allowed to continue service as law enforcers, is wrong, and highlights fundamental deficiencies within the Police Service.

The Independent Complaints Directorate (ICD), the police ‘watchdog’, has often recommended suspension or other disciplinary action against certain SAPS members for their conduct, but these recommendations have often been ignored. The last available information from 2008 showed, in fact, that only 58% of ICD recommendations were followed.

I submitted a private member’s legislative proposal with the Speaker’s office in June 2009, to propose empowering the ICD and to create a greater onus on the SAPS to enact recommendations. As of today, I am still waiting to present my proposal before the Committee on Private Members Legislative Proposals. The top structures are all talking about getting tough on crime, but what about getting tough on crime within the SAPS?

The ICD in the 2008/2009 financial year received over 6119 complaints against SAPS members, almost half of which were for misconduct.

Police members convicted of crimes cannot be allowed to continue as law enforcers. How can the South African public be expected to trust a police service that bankrolls tried and convicted criminals? The DA will today put questions to the Minister of Police to establish how many police officers employed by the SAPS have been convicted of crimes.
http://www.da.org.za/newsroom.htm?action=view-news-item&id=7156

SAPS is a big fail
Metro police in GP is a shame.

No matter what you said it is not going to change the perception of the people.
It is a FACT.. :mad:

How many convicted criminals on patrol?
How many misconduct policemen are still working?
You believe police misconduct and brutality is just some “isolated” cases?

I don’t want to talk about the cases from the “news”, just personal and my friends’ experiences.

1) SAPS: following one of my friends and stopped him in a public place, robbed my friend in gun point. Found those criminals in the police station => laid charges => 3 years later => nothing happen.
2) JMPD: I was followed and stopped by a marked JMPD vehicle, just asked me for “cold drink money”.
3) SAPS: police came one of my friends office with marked SAPS vehicle, demanded to search the office with no warrant, even they couldn’t tell what was the reason. My friend phoned to the police station, didn’t find the commander for the operation and no one in the police station knew what the operation for. Finally they ran away.
4) SAPS: I was threatened by a police either I paid him bribe or arrested me on spot with no any valid reason. He said he could arrest me for “anything” (he could make any charge against me) because he had the power.
5) SAPS: my friend was drinking INSIDE his house, Three police passed and saw him was drinking, jump over the boundary wall and arrest him for “public drinking”. Threaten to pay bribe but he had no money on that time, he was arrested and spent his LONG weekend inside the police station and released later with NO CHARGE.

etc.....

You want me to carry on? :mad:

I am childish, so what you are? :rolleyes:
 
DreamKing, given what you've written, you come across as someone who invites confrontations with governmental/authority figures. Funny how everyone else gets by with having no issues at all yet some just seem to get it by the bucketloads.
 
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The amount of hatred at the police in general on this forum is disgusting. There are over 190 thousand SAPS employees in South Africa yet when a couple abuse their power, all of a sudden everyone is against them and the SAPS is a big failure.

I have a lot of respect towards the police here, policing one of the most dangerous countries in the world takes a lot of courage. 1 police officer is killed every 3 days so they are doing the work you would probably be too scared to do.
 
The amount of hatred at the police in general on this forum is disgusting. There are over 190 thousand SAPS employees in South Africa yet when a couple abuse their power, all of a sudden everyone is against them and the SAPS is a big failure.

I have a lot of respect towards the police here, policing one of the most dangerous countries in the world takes a lot of courage. 1 police officer is killed every 3 days so they are doing the work you would probably be too scared to do.

+1

This forum is tame compared to some of the news24/anti-south africa/pro-white sites out there. It's really quite sad but at least it points out the real agenda. I'm pretty sure the same people were quite happy to turn a blind eye when some poor chap got beaten for losing his dompas or was found walking on the pavement back in the day.
 
DreamKing, given what you've written, you come across as someone who invites confrontations with governmental/authority figures. Funny how everyone else gets by with have no issues at all yet some just seem to get it by the bucketloads.

To be fair, I've had a nasty experience with a cop myself, so has my Uncle. Both times they wanted bribes. And there seems to be a lot of this going on. Plenty stories of people being forced to draw money at ATM's to pay cop bribes or get raped in a cell. The bad rap cops get is not coincidence, there are reasons for it. Not all cops are bad, but enough are for the entire service to get saddled with the reputation. If the cops don't want the bad reputation, the onus is on them to clean up the mess. Get rid of the bad guys, instead of redeploying them.
 
DreamKing, given what you've written, you come across as someone who invites confrontations with governmental/authority figures. Funny how everyone else gets by with have no issues at all yet some just seem to get it by the bucketloads.

yes, all my propaganda, ok?

SAPS is the cleanest, most effective force all over the world.

:rolleyes:
 
The amount of hatred at the police in general on this forum is disgusting. There are over 190 thousand SAPS employees in South Africa yet when a couple abuse their power, all of a sudden everyone is against them and the SAPS is a big failure.

I have a lot of respect towards the police here
, policing one of the most dangerous countries in the world takes a lot of courage. 1 police officer is killed every 3 days so they are doing the work you would probably be too scared to do.

your choice, but not mine.

I don't trust them at all. :mad:
 
To be fair, I've had a nasty experience with a cop myself, so has my Uncle. Both times they wanted bribes. And there seems to be a lot of this going on. Plenty stories of people being forced to draw money at ATM's to pay cop bribes or get raped in a cell. The bad rap cops get is not coincidence, there are reasons for it. Not all cops are bad, but enough are for the entire service to get saddled with the reputation. If the cops don't want the bad reputation, the onus is on them to clean up the mess. Get rid of the bad guys, instead of redeploying them.

Well you do get corrupt cops no doubt but they have been created out of a corrupt society. People must stop bribing cops and face the consequences of their crimes. If they haven't committed a crime then they shouldn't have anything to worry about.
 
The amount of hatred at the police in general on this forum is disgusting. There are over 190 thousand SAPS employees in South Africa yet when a couple abuse their power, all of a sudden everyone is against them and the SAPS is a big failure.

I have a lot of respect towards the police here, policing one of the most dangerous countries in the world takes a lot of courage. 1 police officer is killed every 3 days so they are doing the work you would probably be too scared to do.

I don't hate the police. Far from it. I readily admit that I would never want to be a cop, way to dangerous and completely thankless/pay sucks too. However, one bad apple spoils the bunch as the saying goes. Cops need to clean house and then their reps will improve.
 
Well you do get corrupt cops no doubt but they have been created out of a corrupt society. People must stop bribing cops and face the consequences of their crimes. If they haven't committed a crime then they shouldn't have anything to worry about.

Don't forget the colonialists and the mining houses.
 
DreamKing;



SAPS is a big fail
Why?


Metro police in GP is a shame.
Couldent say, I am in the Eastern Cape

No matter what you said it is not going to change the perception of the people.
It is a FACT.. :mad:
Been there done that, by the way exactly who are the people?


How many convicted criminals on patrol?
Not many,

How many misconduct policemen are still working?
I blame the labour laws for this

You believe police misconduct and brutality is just some “isolated” cases
Based on the number of officers versus the number of complaints I would say yes.

I don’t want to talk about the cases from the “news”, just personal and my friends’ experiences.

1) SAPS: following one of my friends and stopped him in a public place, robbed my friend in gun point. Found those criminals in the police station => laid charges => 3 years later => nothing happen.
Did you take it up with the ICD?

2) JMPD: I was followed and stopped by a marked JMPD vehicle, just asked me for “cold drink money”.
Shame they were thirsty and the arent paid that well, you could report that but honestly I doubt it would get very far

3) SAPS: police came one of my friends office with marked SAPS vehicle, demanded to search the office with no warrant, even they couldn’t tell what was the reason. My friend phoned to the police station, didn’t find the commander for the operation and no one in the police station knew what the operation for. Finally they ran away.
You should have called 10111 and asked them to dispatch a flying squad vechile to the scene

4) SAPS: I was threatened by a police either I paid him bribe or arrested me on spot with no any valid reason. He said he could arrest me for “anything” (he could make any charge against me) because he had the power.
Lay a charge and a complaint with the ICD

5) SAPS: my friend was drinking INSIDE his house, Three police passed and saw him was drinking, jump over the boundary wall and arrest him for “public drinking”. Threaten to pay bribe but he had no money on that time, he was arrested and spent his LONG weekend inside the police station and released later with NO CHARGE.
Lay a charge and a complaint with the ICD


etc.....

You want me to carry on? :mad:

I am childish, so what you are? :rolleyes
Actulay I ment to put maybe next to your name, as for me I am someone who has done the job and based on what I have seen and heard, your attempt to Tar the entire SAPS doesnt hold water.
 
Well you do get corrupt cops no doubt but they have been created out of a corrupt society. People must stop bribing cops and face the consequences of their crimes. If they haven't committed a crime then they shouldn't have anything to worry about.

LOL, in my case I hadn't committed any crimes and I certainly wont pay a bribe (People call me Scrooge, I hate parting with money). Didn't stop the creep from threatening me and actually manhandling me. there are a lot of false arrests made, bud.
 
yes, all my propaganda, ok?

SAPS is the cleanest, most effective force all over the world.

:rolleyes:

You can roll your eyes if you want, but it is possible for an entity to be neither one extreme, nor the other.

Your opinion is that the SAPS is at the extreme end of badness. You assume that anyone who disagrees with you must think the SAPS is at the extreme end of goodness.

The actual SAPS occupies an area somewhere in between utterly-corrupt-to-a-man and every-officer-would-win-a-gold-star. And you are overreacting.
 
Agreed.

I would suggest that as soon as someone has such a negative experience they should report it to the ICD or go to the press
 
LOL, in my case I hadn't committed any crimes and I certainly wont pay a bribe (People call me Scrooge, I hate parting with money). Didn't stop the creep from threatening me and actually manhandling me. there are a lot of false arrests made, bud.

I'm sure there are, but as with everything else it's an exception not the norm.
 
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