Police get GPS systems

Why do the police need GPS units? They should know their beats like the back of their hands. They work there everyday after all. I say, require the cops to be more observant and patrol the areas they are supposed to protect.

*Maybe even get out of the station and/or car every once in a while! :eek:

To know all the streets in a large area is asking a lot. Often you know the area, but not the exact street name...

I think it will help, if used properly.
 
This thread again clearly shows how the same situation can be viewed so differently by two people.... I feel the same as this...

People/companies donating money to make the Police more effective is great. This shows that there is a lot of goodwill in this country - and people are willing to help fight crime. Great stuff!

...yet others immediately look at this gesture of goodwill and start questioning the end destination of these GPSs. You can't just accept that they will remain in the vehicles. You just have to be negative!

In the worst case scenario if just one GPS does get used for it's intended purpose and this leads to the saving of a life do you not think this alone would be worth it?

In the absolutely worst case they all dissappear but Garmin has still got the advertising mileage out of it that they want. Stop looking for the bad in everything.
 
If a pizza delivery can be at one's place within one hour without utilising any fancy equipment (and getting there on a moped), then one would expect even more effective response times from the police. They do not need GPS systems. They need to be trained in basic map reading skills. Also a good knowledge of the patrol area and surrounding areas would be expected to be a basic prerequisite before actually going out into the field. All this request for a donation does is, once again, emphasise the utter incompetence of the police to do their job. This guy should have taken up this issue with his superiors. A pilot project setup could then indicate the effectivity (or ineffectivity) of using GPS in the field. In the end, like most other endeavours in this country it's the hard working tax paying people that have to fork over more money to get anything done. I agree that people should assist where they can but when I think of all the money this country is making and then wonder where is all going to, it bothers me to see events unfold like this.
 
Now its going to take longer to respond to a call, they first have to figure out how the thing works and select the correct streets......SH** they need to go for evening spelling classes too. Who will donate education vouchers?
 
Now its going to take longer to respond to a call, they first have to figure out how the thing works and select the correct streets......SH** they need to go for evening spelling classes too. Who will donate education vouchers?
Every single unit given to them includes training on how to use it.
 
I think this is a brilliant gesture.

To the rest of you, you'll b!tch and moan if police don't arrive at a crime scene quickly and finally when the community pitch in and donate 700+ GPS units to help alleviate slow response times then that's a problem too. :rolleyes:

Good point.

But I still feel the GPS wont get them to there faster...
Ive never came across police that are lost...
 
If a pizza delivery can be at one's place within one hour without utilising any fancy equipment (and getting there on a moped), then one would expect even more effective response times from the police. They do not need GPS systems. They need to be trained in basic map reading skills. Also a good knowledge of the patrol area and surrounding areas would be expected to be a basic prerequisite before actually going out into the field. All this request for a donation does is, once again, emphasise the utter incompetence of the police to do their job. This guy should have taken up this issue with his superiors. A pilot project setup could then indicate the effectivity (or ineffectivity) of using GPS in the field. In the end, like most other endeavours in this country it's the hard working tax paying people that have to fork over more money to get anything done. I agree that people should assist where they can but when I think of all the money this country is making and then wonder where is all going to, it bothers me to see events unfold like this.

Oh my G_d! It just goes from bad to worse!

The pizza guy has 15 minutes to read the map prior to hitting the road. And even then the delivery area covered by a single pizza joint is a lot smaller than that covered by the police! The pizza guy should also not be travelling at 140km per hour. Would you like to see a cop reading a map while flying at this speed through a red robot with lights flashing?

I have lived in Durban for 20 years and there is no chance in hell I know every road here! And don't tell me you do in your area!

Damn I am really getting p_ssed off with this. Even something positive like this can immediately be turned onto a negtive! You guys really suck! I would hate to hang out with you socially and constantly get bombarded with your negative sentiment. Damn I'd kill myself!!

If you would like to know where the money in this country goes try listening to the budget speech with both ears open instead of sitting through the whole thing b_tching about the state of the country!
 
If you would like to know where the money in this country goes try listening to the budget speech with both ears open instead of sitting through the whole thing b_tching about the state of the country!

i wonder how much of that money actually gets spent in the areas intended :rolleyes:
money gets pocketed. that's where the money goes to.

i have no problem with folks helping the police out, but donating personal items to assist the police, when it is the government's job, is just wrong.
i can't help but look at both sides of the coin. every action has a consequence.
 
i can't help but look at both sides of the coin. every action has a consequence.

Don't say that - some people think coins only have one side :)

An issue that I have with the Garmins is that there are some pretty huge inaccuracies on the map software. Okay - that's really the map and not the device. Unfortunately I will have to rely on the cops knowing my area because the map software is just wrong wrt my address. Same goes for my brother's house. Heaven help you if you expect them to drive through Rosebank in a hurry as those road alterations are wrong and to is the top end of Rivonia Road and also some parts of Parkmore.

Yeah - map updates do come out but those errors have been around for 2 versions now. Sure the Gautrain changes are sort of new but they weren't put in the latest version for some reason that didn't seem particularly satisfactory.

While it is a good step it isn't going to solve all the problems and in some cases may pose an even greater danger if the cops become reliant on the directions in it and your address is just plain wrong.
 
I can’t believe that some people are whining about this.

First of let me say this, the police logistics dept is run by bean counters who proberly feel that they can just buy map books for the vehicle as it is a hell of a lot cheaper than buying a GPS for each vehicle. Since they are not out in the field in makes perfect sense to them

These GPS units were requested for the flying squad and you will proberly find that this initiative came about as a result of the units members trying to get the equipment that will help them improve their response time. They are the premier response to all serious incidents.

The majority of Flying Squad members I have worked with have been highly motivated and dedicated officers who will often pay out of their own pocket to get the equipment that they feel they need to be able to do the job properly

The pizza delivery comment is utterly stupid, you have no idea at all what it is like to work in a police response vehicle, let me put it in perspective for you

Pizza
The customer phones Debonair at 20:30 and calmly gives his order
The staff starts to make the order meanwhile the delivery driver looks up the address on the map
About 15min later the driver gets the order and gets in his car to deliver it
He drives to the address at normally, he has to drive up and down the street a few times as the house number is not properly displayed
The driver gets out and rings the doorbell, the customer opens it and pays the driver

Police
A women phones 10111 at 20:30 she is hysterical and tells the operator that three armed males have forced their way into her house, she looked herself into the bedroom but they are trying to get in. Her children are screaming in fear, suddenly the phone call dies
The Radio controller broadcasts “ Any vehicle, armed robbery in progress, 26 tree lane, wallaby. Three-armed males are in the house, the female caller was locked in her room with her children while attackers tried to break into the room, and the call was cut off.
Vehicles call back acknowledging that they are on the way
Inside Mike 10 (flying squad vehicle)
Passenger switches on inside light to check map book, the driver has a general idea where the street is, so he activates lights and siren, at high speed the vehicle moves through traffic slowing for intersections, some drivers give way others don’t
The passenger pages through he map book in the dim light trying to find the street. He finds it and gives directions to the driver.
As they come closer they switch off their siren, at high speed they race down Tree lane looking for numbers and cursing the public who don’t make sure that their numbers are easily visible from the street. They see another van suddenly stop ahead and pull in next to it.
The officers jump out leaving the doors open and run to the house where they find the robbers gone, but at least the women and her children are unhurt.
She says that the robbers broke down the door and pulled the phone out the wall, they hit her demanding her money and jewellery she gave it to them fearing for her life and those of her children, the robbers then ran out knowing the police were on the way.

The police response from receiving the radio message was 15 minutes

For those idiots complaining here I suggest you go and spend a night with the flying squad and then come back and talk

All our vehicles should have GPS units; we should have state of the art radios (which allow you to hear the controller clearly), each vehicle should have a Morpho touch and other essential items. Unfortunately the state only provides the bare essentials, so don’t blame the officers, management needs to catch a wake up
 
I agree with you R/SGT. I have mates in the dog unit here that came from Jhb. They reckon the police vehicles here are totally backward compared to yours, so any bit will help.
 
We have also bought our own GPS along with other equipment that we feel will help us do our job more effectively.

Some of the other PF SAPS members think it strange but they always seem to be borrowing something of ours at scenes.

Generally the reservists, dog unit, flying squad and some of the other specilist units are a cut above the normal station units. They are for the most part highly motivated and dedicated.
 
We have also bought our own GPS along with other equipment that we feel will help us do our job more effectively.

Some of the other PF SAPS members think it strange but they always seem to be borrowing something of ours at scenes.

Generally the reservists, dog unit, flying squad and some of the other specilist units are a cut above the normal station units. They are for the most part highly motivated and dedicated.

Just underequiped to do the job more efficiently.
 
What happens to all the money when the police budget gets increased, or is this a stupid question?
 
guessing one of the big boys gets a new SUV?
 
Yeah it's fantastic that the public can assist and is just a further indication to me that the general populous and big business is fed up with crime.

Technology must be used to combat the scourge.

What happened to police file? Would like to see this program back on air too...
 
To know all the streets in a large area is asking a lot. Often you know the area, but not the exact street name...

I think it will help, if used properly.

A useful police person knows his/her area. They travel it everyday, they watch it and should notice when things are not right. Part of knowing your area is knowing where streets and buildings are. :mad:

If a pizza delivery can be at one's place within one hour without utilising any fancy equipment (and getting there on a moped), then one would expect even more effective response times from the police. They do not need GPS systems. They need to be trained in basic map reading skills. Also a good knowledge of the patrol area and surrounding areas would be expected to be a basic prerequisite before actually going out into the field. All this request for a donation does is, once again, emphasise the utter incompetence of the police to do their job. This guy should have taken up this issue with his superiors. A pilot project setup could then indicate the effectivity (or ineffectivity) of using GPS in the field. In the end, like most other endeavours in this country it's the hard working tax paying people that have to fork over more money to get anything done. I agree that people should assist where they can but when I think of all the money this country is making and then wonder where is all going to, it bothers me to see events unfold like this.

I feel the same way. Now the cops will wait 5-10 minutes while they try and key in the correct address in the unit before starting to drive there, just to end up at the wrong address. An electronic map is not a substitute for human knowledge, yes it helps, but I suspect many people think GPS's know better than themselves. This is wrong. :eek:
 
What happens to all the money when the police budget gets increased, or is this a stupid question?

Its actually a very good question, for which I have no awnser.

I just know that it doesnt seem to filter down to station level, for instance

Most vechiles dont have hand radios for members to use when they are out of the vechile.

Vechiles are often in short supply and are driven till they fall apart, many vechiles I have worked on would fail roadworthy. They are missign blue lights, sirens, radios and SPARE WHEELS

The vechiles are unsuited to the area ie BMW`s for use in townships or rural areas and giving the Flying squad bakkies as fast response vechiles.

A lot of it is financial, but many members dont take care of their vechiles or equipment, that needs to be stopped.

I have seen vans standing with flat tyres because members are to lazy to fix it, firearms that have rusted because they are never cleaned and many other such things.

Managment and discipline need to be bucked up in order to get the system working properly
 
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