Polo 1.2 TDI Bluemotion

The story I heard was that VW SA did not want to position SEAT as a budget alternative to VW because they were scared that SEAT would cannibalize the Polo/Mk1 Golf market so they positioned it as a premium brand and priced them too high. The cars didn't sell so VW SA turned to VW HQ said “We told you so.“. Since the brand was making a loss VW HQ had to allow VW SA to drop SEAT.

SEAT would never have been a threat to VW's own sales - in all the time I spent with SEAT I think I traded in 2 VWs on SEATs - they appeal to very, very different demographics even if they are essentially the same under the skin. The opposite was more likely to be true; SEAT drew people to the VW group that wouldn't normally even have considered buying a VW product - people with Alfas, FIATs, and other comparatively odd-ball cars. And even if the odd VW buyer did convert to SEAT, it was still money into VWSA's pocket.

Nah, I don't think that was ever really a concern. It was probably little more than a badly researched, marketed and supported venture.
 
The story I heard was that VW SA did not want to position SEAT as a budget alternative to VW because they were scared that SEAT would cannibalize the Polo/Mk1 Golf market so they positioned it as a premium brand and priced them too high. The cars didn't sell so VW SA turned to VW HQ said “We told you so.“. Since the brand was making a loss VW HQ had to allow VW SA to drop SEAT.

You could get a 1.6 Seat Ibiza for the same price as a 1.4 RunX. It also had a much more sporty feel to it apart from the greater power. I would definitley taken the Seat had I not needed a car a year before they launched here in SA. So I don't think they were overpriced. Just poor marketing.
 
If you have to buy a VW Polo then make it the Blue Motion - its the model that makes the most sense and there are no other cars on the SA market that can compete with it given the price. Sure, it would have been nice if it had a service plan but you do get ESP and a few other nifty features - not to mention the consumption.

When you start looking at any other model VW Polo you are better off buying something else like a i20 or Corsa Essentia - better value for money and better quality.
 
If you have to buy a VW Polo then make it the Blue Motion - its the model that makes the most sense and there are no other cars on the SA market that can compete with it given the price. Sure, it would have been nice if it had a service plan but you do get ESP and a few other nifty features - not to mention the consumption.

When you start looking at any other model VW Polo you are better off buying something else like a i20 or Corsa Essentia - better value for money and better quality.

I never though the day would arrive when Roux would have anything positive to say about a VAG... :eek:
 
I agree with Roux - if I had to buy a Polo it would be the Bluemotion - the best looking Polo to.
 
If you have to buy a VW Polo then make it the Blue Motion - its the model that makes the most sense and there are no other cars on the SA market that can compete with it given the price. Sure, it would have been nice if it had a service plan but you do get ESP and a few other nifty features - not to mention the consumption.

When you start looking at any other model VW Polo you are better off buying something else like a i20 or Corsa Essentia - better value for money and better quality.
True, but the GTI is priced pretty much the same as the Corsa OPC, Clio RS etc. but offers a DSG gearbox and the best fuel consumption figures in that segment.

I do think that they're being retarded about not including a service plan, seeing that virtually everyone is doing so.
 
This was the public perception... but investigation would've shown you that the cars sold locally were much better spec'd than their European counterparts. The difference in price was justified, but in retrospect it was a poor strategy. It was however only part of a product introduction and marketing strategy that was a balls-up from beginning to end.
This was not case, actually. VW's (and Ford's, etc) sold in South Africa are all but stripped-out versions of similar-badged European counterparts. Because the Seat's were direct European imports, the actually came with standard equipment which in some cases wasn't even available as options on local VW's. I actually did a lookup on VW's UK site to see what my Polo Sportline came with as standard in the UK. What I concluded was that the Sportline variant sold in South Africa was made up from the following combination of UK-Spec Polo's:
- 96KW TDi engine from Polo Sport
- 2-door body from Polo SE (Color coded trim but no rear spoiler, side-skirts or bumper lip)
- Seats and seat trim from 2-door Polo S (UK Base model)
- Radio from Polo S
- Optional 6-CD Changer
- Interior accents from Polo S
- Instrument cluster was a combination of a Polo S (rev-counter), Polo Sport (Speedo) and Polo S (multifunction computer). It did not have the digital display you see in Golf 5's or the chrome surrounds found in the Sport version in the UK.
- 16" alloy wheels from Polo Sport

The UK Polo Sport was basically a 2-Door version Polo with Highline spec but had bucket seats in the front and a better radio system which looked similar to the Blauwpunkt 510 units found in the Golf 5. South Africans got a basterdised Trendline spec car sold as a premium-model.

The irony is that VWSA also assembled the same UK-Version of the Polo locally and exported it there. The same goes for Ford - have a look what Ford's have standard/optional in the UK compared to the ones we get here. It is an insult to the SA carbuyer.
 
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This was not case, actually. /snip

I'm not quite sure whether you're agreeing or disagreeing with me... :confused: "This was not case..." ?!

Anyhat, my recollection of specifics is starting to fade, it was after all almost 4 years ago (if not more) that SEAT was introduced locally. 2 specific examples I can recall: the Ibizas were sold locally with service plans included in the price; the contemporary Polos weren't (and still aren't, but that's a whole discussion on its own) - this contributed to the SEATs' prices seeming to be out of whack with the Polos. With specific regard to differences in spec, the locally sold Leons had automatic headlights and wipers, cruise control and a couple of other items as standard throughout the range - these were all optional extras on the equivalent UK cars.

The SEATs sold here weren't randomly picked off some "for EU consumption" production line; they were specifically built for the local market. Their spec did not mirror that of the UK cars exactly.
 
I seriously doubt whether a GTi will would out-accelerate the GTD from 3rd-gear onwards. The 96KW TDi Polo out-accelerated the G5 GTi in 4th gear, for example.

Lol
Cute story bro
 
Golf GTD
5th gear acceleration 80-120km/h : 8.0 seconds

Golf GTI
5th gear acceleration 80-120km/h : 7.5 seconds

So much for the diesel having quicker in gear acceleration than the petrol.
http://www.thedailymaverick.co.za/article/2010-03-30-golf-gtd-the-hot-hacth-sa-deserves-but-wont-get

Eh, you might want to re-read that:
Floor the loud pedal at 80km/h in fifth gear and the GTD will streak past the 120km/h mark only 8 seconds later.

The GTI’s top speed potential is 240km/h, and it gets from 80 to 100km/h in fifth gear in 7,5 seconds.

:D

Although it does rather read like a misprint. If we assume it is, it still means the GTD gives you 6% slower acceleration with almost 30% better consumption. I do like their closing:
compared to the GTI in everyday driving conditions, it will always be the more intelligent performance hatch choice.
 
Eh, you might want to re-read that:

That must be a misprint.
I see SAC's 80-120 (5th gear) figures for the MkV GTI is 7.76 secs which is still quicker than the GTD.
 
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That must be a misprint.
I see SAC's 80-120 (5th gear) figures for the MkV GTI is 7.76 secs which is still quicker than the GTD.

I'm sure it is - haven't ever seen an 80 - 100 figure quoted in any test. Be that as it may, we're now down to a 3% performance differential vs a 30% consumption differential.

I'd have the GTD, thanks. Not that I could. Bloody stupid Saffer motorists. :mad:
 
I actually have the 1.2TDI bluemotion

It's a nice car. The engine is small, it's not really that slow once you learn when to shift gears properly. If you change gears around 2,500 rpm you will not fall off the turbo boost and the car is quite happy to move. Off the boost... a totally different story. Economy wise, its quite good - I'm getting 5.2 l/100 when driving 140-150 kmh. Going at 100 kmh gives 3.6 l/100, and 120 kmh approx 4.4 l/100 - quoted figures are driving mostly highway with some town driving after that (ratio 80 km highway, 15 km town).

Those were the good sides. The bad sides:
-suspension is low. That means you will scrape the front bumper to bits if you're not very very careful - esp on jhb roads
-the car has a diesel particulate filter - when it goes through a regen cycle your economy is wasted, car looses power, etc. (happens once every two weeks...)
-you have to be careful about which diesel you fill because you will kill it even after one tank of 500 ppm stuff (due to DPF as mentioned)
-oil used is special DPF compatible oil which doesn't make a lot of soot when burning (read: only agents sell it)
-and last but not least... after 23,000 km the turbo went. Still waiting for an import ex Germany....

PM me if you have any questions.

Cheers
 
so who has managed to get petrol for their cars? Diesel was luckely not a problem to find :)



Driad, I'd be interested to know what happened to the turbo. 23,000KM is very quick to replace it.
 
so who has managed to get petrol for their cars? Diesel was luckely not a problem to find :)



Driad, I'd be interested to know what happened to the turbo. 23,000KM is very quick to replace it.
The N1 Oasis BP on Beyers Naude just got a fresh supply of fuel :) I topped up and filled up a 5l bottle just in case.
 
Apparently it just seized. The mechanic couldn't find a reason beyond that. I'm hoping that it was just manufacturing fault on the turbo, otherwise I'll be having fun again with it soon.

I really like this car, even though its relatively slow. Saves me 2k off fuel bill every month...can't wait to get it back.
 
Saves me 2k off fuel bill every month...can't wait to get it back.

If you are driving the 1.2 TDI Bluemotion instead of the Polo 1.4 Comfortline it means you will have to drive 7407km per month or 88,884km per annum in order to save R2000 on fuel per month.
Were you driving a 4x4 or SUV before you bought the Polo?
 
If you are driving the 1.2 TDI Bluemotion instead of the Polo 1.4 Comfortline it means you will have to drive 7407km per month or 88,884km per annum in order to save R2000 on fuel per month.
Were you driving a 4x4 or SUV before you bought the Polo?

I wasn't driving the 1.4 comfortline before. With the kind of mileage I do, approximately 5000 km/month, every drop counts. My previous car had a consumption of 7.5-8 l/100 km.
 
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