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wingnut771 said:
What I meant was they're not allowed to feed the grid, less capital outlay to run a generator during power failure than to install batteries. Introduce a peak and off peak charge and you will see batteries being installed to store solar to get paid peak rates in the evening imho.
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They are grid tied, means power out they need a generator.
 
Benedict A55h0le said:
SA is a socialist country so it will never allow the people to benefit from their solar investments. People who buy private solar are punished and not allowed to benefit from it by law!
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Just cos I have to.. Which law prevents a person benefitting from the solar they installed?
 
Lupus said:
A lot of those places that went solar to help out with their pricing had to be grid tied due to the 1MW limited placed as well. The Makros, Randpark Ridge Shopping centers and stuff could easily surpass that but the law, so if there is load shedding even though they have panels they are cut off.
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Wasn't that increased to 100MW?
 
ToxicBunny said:
Just cos I have to.. Which law prevents a person benefitting from the solar they installed?
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For example the 1 that says you are not allowed to generate more than you consume. The law that has fixed your selling price to less than a 3rd of the cost of electricity you buy from them. The bylaws that screws you in that when the price of electricity goes up with 20%, your feed in price goes up by 1%. The one that prevents you to sell the electricity you generate. The bylaw that places a house on a much higher tariff just because it has a solar system. All these laws are there to prevent the solar investor from benefitting financially.
 
Benedict A55h0le said:
For example the 1 that says you are not allowed to generate more than you consume. The law that has fixed your selling price to less than a 3rd of the cost of electricity you buy from them. The bylaws that screws you in that when the price of electricity goes up with 20%, your feed in price goes up by 1%. The one that prevents you to sell the electricity you generate. The bylaw that places a house on a much higher tariff just because it has a solar system. All these laws are there to prevent the solar investor from benefitting financially.
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Mind actually stating these specific laws rather than just claiming they exist, or not understanding the difference between a tariff structure and a law.
 
Benedict A55h0le said:
For example the 1 that says you are not allowed to generate more than you consume. The law that has fixed your selling price to less than a 3rd of the cost of electricity you buy from them. The bylaws that screws you in that when the price of electricity goes up with 20%, your feed in price goes up by 1%. The one that prevents you to sell the electricity you generate. The bylaw that places a house on a much higher tariff just because it has a solar system. All these laws are there to prevent the solar investor from benefitting financially.
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That's all secondary. The primary benefit is not paying Eskom, and not being subjected to their incompetence and corruption...
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
That's all secondary. The primary benefit is not paying Eskom, and not being subjected to their incompetence and corruption...
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But without benefitting financially, yes you maybe don`t get load shed, but money is always the primary benefit. Not being load shed is the 2ndary benefit to making money. Also these laws are constantly changing to prevent more financial benefit with time.
 
ToxicBunny said:
Mind actually stating these specific laws rather than just claiming they exist, or not understanding the difference between a tariff structure and a law.
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The tariff structures is in the bylaws. All these things and more are in the bylaws.
 
Benedict A55h0le said:
The tariff structures is in the bylaws. All these things and more are in the bylaws.
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Ok, I'll concede the tariff structure/bylaw aspect...

Mind referencing this law that states you can't generate more than you consume, or the law that states the feed in tariff may only be less than a 3rd of the tariff you pay
 
ToxicBunny said:
Ok, I'll concede the tariff structure/bylaw aspect...

Mind referencing this law that states you can't generate more than you consume, or the law that states the feed in tariff may only be less than a 3rd of the tariff you pay
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Look at the private solar bylaws of the Western Cape. It`s all there and more. And every year it gets worse for the private solar investor.
 
Benedict A55h0le said:
Look at the private solar bylaws of the Western Cape. It`s all there and more. And every year it gets worse for the private solar investor.
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Please link to them... you seem to know them, so it shouldn't be difficult for you to link to these bylaws.
 
ToxicBunny said:
Ok, I'll concede the tariff structure/bylaw aspect...

Mind referencing this law that states you can't generate more than you consume, or the law that states the feed in tariff may only be less than a 3rd of the tariff you pay
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City of joburg feedin tariff has a stipulation that you may not be a net exporter
 
Benedict A55h0le said:
But without benefitting financially, yes you maybe don`t get load shed, but money is always the primary benefit. Not being load shed is the 2ndary benefit to making money. Also these laws are constantly changing to prevent more financial benefit with time.
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The monetary benefit comes from saving the money that you would be paying Eskom.

No private solar user installs a system with the main intention of backfeeding. The main intention is to not pay Eskom only to subject yourself to their mercy.

If you're installing a system with the intention of making money from it, then get a license from Nersa which will allow you to generate up to 100MW.

You need to differentiate between residential and commercial. That's where the confusion is coming in...
 
Sinbad said:
City of joburg feedin tariff has a stipulation that you may not be a net exporter
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Fair play on that front... but even that isn't a law that specifically says you can't generate more than you consume, just that you can't export more than you consume from the grid... Its a subtle difference but legally its a difference.
 
ToxicBunny said:
Fair play on that front... but even that isn't a law that specifically says you can't generate more than you consume, just that you can't export more than you consume from the grid... Its a subtle difference but legally its a difference.
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Well where does the excess go? ;p
 
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