Premier blasts 'farm abuses'

[Sneeky]

This must be condemed in the strongest possible fashion, but I do find it very ironic that the ANC has a voice for these human rights abuses but nothing for those commited in Zimbabwe. It is shameful and provides a glimse of the racial discrimination attached to anything the ANC does.
There is no excuse for either.

http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/Politics/0,9294,2-7-12_2086916,00.html

 

[Skeptik]

Some theories suggest that by leaving Zim in the mire it actually benefits SA. i.e. We get the exports and other business which Zim cannot provide anymore.

 

[Syndyre]

Maybe I'm missing something but isn't it the government's responsibility to provide them with water, electricity, education etc?

 

[TELESPHORE]

Some theories suggest that by leaving Zim in the mire it actually benefits SA. i.e. We get the exports and other business which Zim cannot provide anymore.

And their unemployed also. Putting crime into more elevated levels and with even more violence.

 

[TELESPHORE]

This must be condemed in the strongest possible fashion, but I do find it very ironic that the ANC has a voice for these human rights abuses but nothing for those commited in Zimbabwe. It is shameful and provides a glimse of the racial discrimination attached to anything the ANC does.
There is no excuse for either.

http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/Politics/0,9294,2-7-12_2086916,00.html

When investigated, the very ‘abuses’ they so rave about are proofed to be false.
It shall never end.

 

[Vrotappel]

If true this is obviously a failure of Government for not protecting its citizens. But I must admit it is most probably a PR exercise for getting votes. Remember the Koeberg 'sabotage' story. You cannot believe anything Government says.

 

[Syndyre]

I'd still like to know when it became the employer's responsibility to provide water, electricity etc?

 

[w1z4rd]

Hollow air from a fat politician.

 

[stoke]

Stoke blasts ministers mouthing off or words where action would be so much more effective.

 

[Darth Garth]

Maybe I'm missing something but isn't it the government's responsibility to provide them with water, electricity, education etc?

So where do these workers stay ... on govt controlled land ???.

I remember an incident last year where a rather recalcitrant farmer from the Vrystaat tore down the farm school which that was on his private property and the provincial govt had to step in and seize that portion of land in order to rebuild it.

I still remember the MEC rather politely telling the farmer to get fugged in so many words and rather go the courts if he has an issue with it .

One can argue about rights of a private property owner but this is not the middle ages where we have serfs and slaves but that farmers have a responsibility towards their workers in terms of their basic living conditions.

 

[Syndyre]

So where do these workers stay ... on govt controlled land ???.

I remember an incident last year where a rather recalcitrant farmer from the Vrystaat tore down the farm school which that was on his private property and the provincial govt had to step in and seize that portion of land in order to rebuild it.

I still remember the MEC rather politely telling the farmer to get fugged in so many words and rather go the courts if he has an issue with it .

One can argue about rights of a private property owner but this is not the middle ages where we have serfs and slaves but that farmers have a responsibility towards their workers in terms of their basic living conditions.

Whatever land they stay on the government is responsible for provision of services to them IMO, the farmer of course also has a responsibility to be reasonable about allowing access etc.

 

[Darth Garth]

Whatever land they stay on the government is responsible for provision of services to them IMO, the farmer of course also has a responsibility to be reasonable about allowing access etc.

Indeed.

 

[Syndyre]

The problem is of course in achieving that balance.

 

[Skeptik]

I remember an incident last year where a rather recalcitrant farmer from the Vrystaat tore down the farm school which that was on his private property and the provincial govt had to step in and seize that portion of land in order to rebuild it.

I still remember the MEC rather politely telling the farmer to get fugged in so many words and rather go the courts if he has an issue with it ....

The farmer was told he wasn't getting paid for improvements he made to the property. This is unconstitutional. Therefore the farmer would have the right to claim money or recover his investment. If he wants to demolish it, then he can.

And that sounds like most MECs. Do what they like, say what they like ... all standard for the ANC.

 

[Darth Garth]

If he wants to demolish it, then he can.

And deny innocent little black and coloured children the opportunity get to at least some education which would enable them to at least escape from become future farmworkers.

Rather self serving ain't it of the fella ... rather the same crap the Nats did with the education system to ensure that non whites was only educated enough to do the menial cheap labour.

And if white kids was involved I can assure you we would not be discussing this incident.

Thankfully the ANC is now in charge to put idiots like these in their place .

 

[antowan]

Well, I think any South African with half a brain can learn to predict what will be said on certain public holidays by prominent figures. This is no surprise to me. You cannot take half the stuff politicians come up with in this country seriously.

As long as money can be made out of comments about:
Apartheid
Colonialism
Racism
etc

Politicians will dig up fantasies, over exagerate etc.

 

[Skeptik]

And deny innocent little black and coloured children the opportunity get to at least some education which would enable them to at least escape from become future farmworkers.

Rather self serving ain't it of the fella ... rather the same crap the Nats did with the education system to ensure that non whites was only educated enough to do the menial cheap labour.

And if white kids was involved I can assure you we would not be discussing this incident.

Thankfully the ANC is now in charge to put idiots like these in their place .

Let's not ignore the constitution only when it suits. Go read the section on expropriation.
I guess if you ride roughshod over a farmer's rights then you can't expect him to think about "innocent" children regardless of their race. He's probably thinking about the future (if there is one) of his own family.

The ANC have caused this ruckus with farmers and they are going to reap the consequences, just as our neighbours to the North did.

 

[Darth Garth]

I guess if you ride roughshod over a farmer's rights then you can't expect him to think about "innocent" children regardless of their race.

You and the farmer need to read up some more on how our constitution actually works here.

The following clause is enshrined in our constitution under The Bill Of Rights.

Everyone has the right - to a basic education, including adult basic education; and to further education which the state, through reasonable measures, must make progressively available and accessible.

 

[Sneeky]

The key word there is 'progressively' though is it not?

As for the farmer who demolished buildings and denied kids a place to school, it is really terrible it came to that, but we cannot just gloss over the fact that he was denied fair settlement and just focus on the kids, seems very selective to me.

I also remember a case involving farmers where all sorts of claims were made of abuse, rape, human rights etc. Rawsonville this year.
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?click_id=13&set_id=1&art_id=vn20070114094345135C429521
There is an active campaign to demonise farmers, be sure of it.


Nice going chaps.

 

[Darth Garth]

As for the farmer who demolished buildings and denied kids a place to school, it is really terrible it came to that, but we cannot just gloss over the fact that he was denied fair settlement and just focus on the kids, seems very selective to me.

I am sure most of you would be screaming to the rafters on this forum if it was white children being treated like this by a black landowner.