Presidency backs Jimmy Manyi

[SoulTax]

Or just join an opposition party.

But I think the least he has to do is resign, otherwise he will loose a lot of respect and support.

But the more good people that stay in the upper echelons of the ANC to help curb the corruption, the slower the decline. Him staying there and continuing to try do good is the best thing he could do. He needs to make a strategic move into another party at the right time. If he moved to the DA/any otherparty, he would quickly lose his influence and the public interest. He will get much more respect from me if he sticks it out there and then at the right time pulls the rug out from under the ANC, and moves to the DA to help swing a majority vote in their direction. That time is obviously not right now as the DA is not powerful enough right now. So he needs to swallow that bitter pill and keep on doing what he is doing.

 

[Kosmik]

Don't quite agree. We don't need 20 different parties, we need one or two strong opposition parties.

Problem is, the main oposition parties are still being painted with the same brush as before. If he joins them he may be seen as a traitor whereas if they start a new party, claiming to take the true ideals and paint the current party as traitors of those ideals, he will succeed. Either way I would actually be happy. Far better to have a multi-party chohesive government than a single party ramming what they feel like through.

 

[SoulTax]

Problem is, the main oposition parties are still being painted with the same brush as before. If he joins them he may be seen as a traitor whereas if they start a new party, claiming to take the true ideals and paint the current party as traitors of those ideals, he will succeed. Either way I would actually be happy. Far better to have a multi-party chohesive government than a single party ramming what they feel like through.

Its a nice ideal, but look what happened to Cope. They failed stupendously on their break. Cope was painted as traitors straight off the bat. What makes you think that the ANC would not sabotage and discredit any party that TM tried to make? His only viable option is to stick it out until the political climate is right. A premature fracture from the ANC would simply be political suicide, and we will have another good man lost to the intimidation machine that is the internal workings of the ANC.

 

[assagai]

The statement about coloureds in the western cape is so ridiculous, why not also say there is an oversupply of Zulus in kzn? Or an oversupply of Swedes in Sweden..

 

[Kosmik]

Its a nice ideal, but look what happened to Cope. They failed stupendously on their break. Cope was painted as traitors straight off the bat. What makes you think that the ANC would not sabotage and discredit any party that TM tried to make? His only viable option is to stick it out until the political climate is right. A premature fracture from the ANC would simply be political suicide, and we will have another good man lost to the intimidation machine that is the internal workings of the ANC.

A good corollary but I think the difference would be the break itself. Cope was a split between two cadre factions within the ANC. These were multi-racial. This current argument , centers around race, and with the continued bashing of TM, he can stand there and say,"Look at me, I am being victimized for holding fellow ANC members accountable for the actions against the very charter that the party was founded on". He could essentially pull every non-racial voter out of the ANC and I'm willing to bet he probably has massive political collateral that could be used against the current leadership.

 

[cheese_za]

But the more good people that stay in the upper echelons of the ANC to help curb the corruption, the slower the decline. Him staying there and continuing to try do good is the best thing he could do. He needs to make a strategic move into another party at the right time. If he moved to the DA/any otherparty, he would quickly lose his influence and the public interest. He will get much more respect from me if he sticks it out there and then at the right time pulls the rug out from under the ANC, and moves to the DA to help swing a majority vote in their direction. That time is obviously not right now as the DA is not powerful enough right now. So he needs to swallow that bitter pill and keep on doing what he is doing.

We would all like to think that TM and the other few good people can help curb corruption, but I honestly don't belive they have the power. If you watch the news and read the papers, the corruption is blatant and nothing is being done about it. JZ needs to do as promised and root out corruption, as he is the only one with real power. But I don't think he will actually do anything about that either, because if all the corrupt "comrades" are brought to light (not even prosecuted), the ANC will probably pull a Thabo Mbeki on him.

Right now the DA needs more colour in its ranks. I think the DA even needs a black leader if they ever want to have a real chance at winning a general election. To get more voters they will need to prove that they are not a "Whitey" party! I have actually spoken to some black folk who have been brainwashed by the ANC to belive that if the DA comes to power, they will bring back apartheid!

 

[grayston]

But the more good people that stay in the upper echelons of the ANC to help curb the corruption, the slower the decline. Him staying there and continuing to try do good is the best thing he could do.

Hm. Weel -- you'll notice that he mainly got called out for doing his own thing instead of bleating to the tune of the entire ANC. The ANC rejects criticism both from outside and inside - it's a throwback from their need to have a united front back when they were fighting Apartheid. Trevor's a good oke and all, but if he wants to stay in the ANC he'll have to toe the line. Same goes for anyone else who wants to join the ANC. There's no room for individuality there.

 

[dlk001]

Problem is, the main oposition parties are still being painted with the same brush as before. If he joins them he may be seen as a traitor whereas if they start a new party, claiming to take the true ideals and paint the current party as traitors of those ideals, he will succeed. Either way I would actually be happy. Far better to have a multi-party chohesive government than a single party ramming what they feel like through.

+1...That is just one of the many problems. The opposition parties are most times problem centric (ANC government being the problem). The ANC will always use that to paint the opposition parties with the same brush. However, I feel that the DA under Zille has taken a different strategy. Shouting anti-Zuma, anti-ANC will retain DA supporters and win few new supporters. However, DA support base will grow further, not because people are anti-ANC, but because people are pro-DA.

 

[SoulTax]

A good corollary but I think the difference would be the break itself. Cope was a split between two cadre factions within the ANC. These were multi-racial. This current argument , centers around race, and with the continued bashing of TM, he can stand there and say,"Look at me, I am being victimized for holding fellow ANC members accountable for the actions against the very charter that the party was founded on". He could essentially pull every non-racial voter out of the ANC and I'm willing to bet he probably has massive political collateral that could be used against the current leadership.

It still sounds a little far fetched to me though. Not to bash on your idea too much, but I think that the ANC would crucify him politically. They have too much power, and regardless of the fact that he would be leaving for racially motivated victimization. I dont actually believe he will be taking many ANC voters with him. There are not a whole lot of ANC voters that would be truly seeing the racial issue for what it is.

The other thing is, I believe that most if not all ANC supporters are racially motivated as it is. So saying that he will pull non-racially motivated people out with him is not too effective. We all bash on the ANC for being racists, trying to open the minds of the ANC voters, but I actually believe that they realized it all a long time ago. They are just happy with the racist agenda. C'est la vie, not much to do about it but continue to vote for the DA and hope our numbers grow over the years.

 

[cheese_za]

It still sounds a little far fetched to me though. Not to bash on your idea too much, but I think that the ANC would crucify him politically. They have too much power, and regardless of the fact that he would be leaving for racially motivated victimization. I dont actually believe he will be taking many ANC voters with him. There are not a whole lot of ANC voters that would be truly seeing the racial issue for what it is.

The other thing is, "I believe that most if not all ANC supporters are racially motivated as it is". So saying that he will pull non-racially motivated people out with him is not too effective. We all bash on the ANC for being racists, trying to open the minds of the ANC voters, but I actually believe that they realized it all a long time ago. They are just happy with the racist agenda. C'est la vie, not much to do about it but continue to vote for the DA and hope our numbers grow over the years.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

 

[grok]

Incompetence is an ANC requirement... you have to fail at at least one thing to be in the ANC lead government... racism, corruption, rape, theft, murder, etc, etc.

Problem is the ANC doesn't see that list as 'fail' attributes.

 

[HavocXphere]

He hasn't even been dragged to court yet...defending deployees like that is 9-5 stuff. If one had to defend a prez against a rape case then it would be serious business....

Chabane said Manyi must stay on because he has apologised.

People who think that makes it OK deserve a snot klap (and an apology).

 

[Vrotappel]

TM leaving the ANC could lead to a mayor economic fallout. He is respected worldwide and his departure will change international perceptions of SA.