PS4 specs already out?

[imaginary_friend]

The reality is Dvd came out in the mid 90's and it was adopted gradually over time to become the standard, what sony is trying to do is force people to switch to blu ray immediately

ignorance in action...we're in a new age now. At the time dvd was bringing down the VHS empire. now its moving from one optical to an enchanced version; an upgrade if you will. It stands to reason that the transition will be faster, nobodys "forcing" anyone. admit it, thats the mad mad fanboy in you.

 

[Dohc-WP]

ignorance in action...we're in a new age now. At the time dvd was bringing down the VHS empire. now its moving from one optical to an enchanced version; an upgrade if you will. It stands to reason that the transition will be faster, nobodys "forcing" anyone. admit it, thats the mad mad fanboy in you.

Admit what ! Everyone knows Sony has forced Blu ray upon ps3 consumers ! Because of what was the ps3 delayed again ? THe only reason Blu ray won the Next def war with HD DVD was because of that and nothing else ! if the ps3 didnt have blu ray then HDDVD would have won without a doubt !

 

[gregmcc]

Can't wait! By then the PS3 will be 5 years old. As soon as they release the console they have to start work on the next version to stay in the field.

I don't hear xbox fan bois complaining when MS announced the 720 - the 360's only been out for a few years

 

[doobiwan]

@greg - Microsoft never promised a 10 year lifespan for the 360, Sony did.

@i_f - fact of history, no "enhanced" version of any media format has ever superseded the parent format. DAT versus Tape, SACD/DVD-Audio versus CD, SVHS over VHS. It doesn't happen because the mass market doesn't give a ****.

If you're someone (like yourself) who sees value in plonking down R4-5k for a minor enhancement I don't expect you to understand the mentality of 90% of the market who have to fiscally justify their purchases. Right now BD has no real value to the vast majority of buyers. To those who do, $200 dedicated players are going to be a lot more attractive than $400 auxillary devices that don't even ship with a remote or HD cable.

 

[Peppercorns]

There is however something else that must be considered.

Just because a new console is released does not mean the previous is "Dead" so to speak. Take the PS2 for example, there are many sales of PS2 to this day, and its still a moderately strong competitor in the market.

Perhaps that's what Sony wanted for the PS3 as well, though I doubt it will be reached.

 

[gregmcc]

I didn't know about the 10 year thing. Just read up on it - good point. The PS2 however has been going for 9 years. Maybe the PS4 will be delayed and released in 2016

Still - I can't see the PS3 lasting 9/10 years!

 

[CHURCHILL]

The PS4 will more then likely be out before the PS3 reaches its 10 year life span,
even if the PS4 is out in 2011, they wont stop supporting the PS3, sony have always been good with this.

 

[imaginary_friend]

@i_f - fact of history, no "enhanced" version of any media format has ever superseded the parent format. DAT versus Tape, SACD/DVD-Audio versus CD, SVHS over VHS. It doesn't happen because the mass market doesn't give a ****.

If you're someone (like yourself) who sees value in plonking down R4-5k for a minor enhancement I don't expect you to understand the mentality of 90% of the market who have to fiscally justify their purchases. Right now BD has no real value to the vast majority of buyers. To those who do, $200 dedicated players are going to be a lot more attractive than $400 auxillary devices that don't even ship with a remote or HD cable.

where have you gotten off too? Did i ever say i bot my ps3 exclusively for BD functionality?? My point was that the transtion to BD from DVD will be faster in our tech age.I dont believe that the DVD will die (heck some ppl still put their shiny VCRs to good use) but BD will take, quickly. The Manufacturers world has been through even wars to make progression more smoothly in the future. Seeing as you missed my point completely, i have little faith in your spokesmanship over "90%" of the market.

 

[Chevron]

LOL. wii-tized? bad move sony, the casual gamers will keep buying the wii, the hardcore will ignore the ps4 and it wont sell.

There is however something else that must be considered.

Just because a new console is released does not mean the previous is "Dead" so to speak. Take the PS2 for example, there are many sales of PS2 to this day, and its still a moderately strong competitor in the market.

Perhaps that's what Sony wanted for the PS3 as well, though I doubt it will be reached.

The ps2 had a 9/10 life span because of it's overwhelming popularity. PS3 won't be anywhere near as close in popularity that the ps2 was/is, but yes, Sony won't kill off the ps3 when the ps4 gets released.

And what's wrong with a wii sized console? Both Sony and microsoft would love the sales the wii is getting. It's definitely gonna make them change their strategy next time around. Cheaper consoles for all.

BTW microsoft have also stated that they killed off the first xbox too quickly and that they won't do the same to the 360.

ignorance in action...we're in a new age now. At the time dvd was bringing down the VHS empire. now its moving from one optical to an enchanced version; an upgrade if you will. It stands to reason that the transition will be faster, nobodys "forcing" anyone. admit it, thats the mad mad fanboy in you.

where have you gotten off too? Did i ever say i bot my ps3 exclusively for BD functionality?? My point was that the transtion to BD from DVD will be faster in our tech age.I dont believe that the DVD will die (heck some ppl still put their shiny VCRs to good use) but BD will take, quickly. The Manufacturers world has been through even wars to make progression more smoothly in the future. Seeing as you missed my point completely, i have little faith in your spokesmanship over "90%" of the market.

Actually BD will take much longer to take over.

When dvd got released, it wasn't just the same movie in better quality. No need to rewind and scene selection were tangible improvements over vhs.

Extra pixels aren't a necessity. It's just nice to have.

 

[Kerrrang!]

Personally i dont's see the 360 or PS3 going for more than 8 years before their respective successors are launched. Which is long enough for me. If the PS4 drops in 2011, i'll be first in line to pick one up.

Secondly, Sony is not forcing anyone to buy BR or a PS3 - that's where a little thing called "free will" comes in.

Thirdly, it's still ignorant then to bash BR in its infant stage with statements like "it's not cheap at the moment, and most consumers won't shell out for a BR player". It's called natural progression, tech depreciates over time, and this applies universally to all kinds of tech, so its hardly unique to the situation, and in fact should make common sense to anyone who's dabbled in everything tech related.
If a BR player and BR movies are too expensive, don't buy it. Read through this thread and the 360 fanboys seem to hate BR with a seething passion. Which will fizzle out if the price is right? Now that's a prime example of double standards right there.

 

[imaginary_friend]

Actually BD will take much longer to take over.

When dvd got released, it wasn't just the same movie in better quality. No need to rewind and scene selection were tangible improvements over vhs.

Extra pixels aren't a necessity. It's just nice to have.

Good point, though im not saying BD will take over; hardware alone makes that improbable currently. I'm just saying that BD will make a significant footprint in the market in time to come.

 

[Toxin]

Secondly, Sony is not forcing anyone to buy BR or a PS3 - that's where a little thing called "free will" comes in.

But anyone wanting a PS3 were "forced" to take BR along with it. It wasn't really necessary to include BR with the PS3. And to be honest I think $ony would have sold insanely more PS3s had they made it an option.

 

[doobiwan]

Thirdly, it's still ignorant then to bash BR in its infant stage with statements like "it's not cheap at the moment, and most consumers won't shell out for a BR player". It's called natural progression, tech depreciates over time, and this applies universally to all kinds of tech, so its hardly unique to the situation, and in fact should make common sense to anyone who's dabbled in everything tech related.
If a BR player and BR movies are too expensive, don't buy it. Read through this thread and the 360 fanboys seem to hate BR with a seething passion. Which will fizzle out if the price is right? Now that's a prime example of double standards right there.

You're contradicting yourself dude, and getting it backwards all in one.
1. Bashing something because it's too expensive and valueless is valid at any time in a products life
2. 360 owners don't hate BD, they see it in context as totally unnecessary. don't hate them because they're right

@i_f, I wasn't having a go at you dude. Any BD buyer PS3 or otherwise obviously gives a hoot about BD, but those are people who have significant disposable income, and your purchasing decision are based on different factors to Joe Soap on a budget.

I've said it a million times BD might gain acceptance only if it is the same price as DVD, and that has to happen soon, it doesn't have 5 years. UHD ratification is due in under 2 years and digital distribution is squishing it from the other end. Otherwise it's going the way of Laserdisc and UMD.

 

[Kerrrang!]

But anyone wanting a PS3 were "forced" to take BR along with it. It wasn't really necessary to include BR with the PS3. And to be honest I think $ony would have sold insanely more PS3s had they made it an option.

If you're willing to shell out 5k for a console, i'll assume you know it has BR, and if not, well then i suppose you don't care either way. There are thousands of different products out there with additional add-ons that i suppose customers are "forced" to take. Onus is still on the customer to make the deciding choice. Do you honestly think a potential PS3 customer went to a store, slammed the PS3 on the counter, and ummed and aaahd over whether they should get it because it has BR? If you wanted a PS3, you'd get one, regardless of whether it had BR or not.

 

[CHURCHILL]

If you're willing to shell out 5k for a console, i'll assume you know it has BR, and if not, well then i suppose you don't care either way. There are thousands of different products out there with additional add-ons that i suppose customers are "forced" to take. Onus is still on the customer to make the deciding choice. Do you honestly think a potential PS3 customer went to a store, slammed the PS3 on the counter, and ummed and aaahd over whether they should get it because it has BR? If you wanted a PS3, you'd get one, regardless of whether it had BR or not.

Kerrrang, spot on.

When i bought my PS3, i knew exactly what i was buying and why its costing so much.

I do not and will not regret my purchase, I think blu-ray is a wonderfull add on/feature to the PS3, even if Devs are not using it fully yet, the Movies are damn good.

 

[doobiwan]

That's 100% spot on.

And why gamers buy xbox 360's

 

[nocilah]

If sony are doing this it is because they realised how much they fsked up with their big black expensive blu ray player (oh and btw you can play games on it when they come out) console.

I am glad to see that the ps4 is already set to be a failure.

 

[Adeptus Mechanicus]

The PS4 will more then likely be out before the PS3 reaches its 10 year life span,
even if the PS4 is out in 2011, they wont stop supporting the PS3, sony have always been good with this.

Except when it comes to implementing backwards compatibility for the previous gen on their new console.

 

[Chevron]

I am glad to see that the ps4 is already set to be a failure.

How do you know this?

 

[Toxin]

If you're willing to shell out 5k for a console, i'll assume you know it has BR, and if not, well then i suppose you don't care either way. There are thousands of different products out there with additional add-ons that i suppose customers are "forced" to take. Onus is still on the customer to make the deciding choice. Do you honestly think a potential PS3 customer went to a store, slammed the PS3 on the counter, and ummed and aaahd over whether they should get it because it has BR? If you wanted a PS3, you'd get one, regardless of whether it had BR or not.

Kerrrang, spot on.

When i bought my PS3, i knew exactly what i was buying and why its costing so much.

I do not and will not regret my purchase, I think blu-ray is a wonderfull add on/feature to the PS3, even if Devs are not using it fully yet, the Movies are damn good.

Obviously people knew that the PS3 had BR when they bought it/thought about buying it. That's not the point I was making.

My point is that $ony didn't give them a choice in the matter.

Most people had to try save up R5000 to buy it. Now, how many of those people saved up R3000 and then said to themselves: "Hey why not just get this Xbox thingy rather, then save the other R2000 I was going to anyway and buy myself like 4 games?"

With the fan base $ony had with the PS2, all they had to do was make BR an option they could have destroyed M$ in sales.

Instead they wanted to push the new format. Granted they won the HD war, but at what cost now that downloadable content is taking off?