PSL Discussion Thread

TheChamp said:
Radebe,
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Jordan and Koumantarakis probably, but Radebe was in no way just an average player. I'd say not world class but by today's standards, a player who is worthy of playing in the Europa League. People have hyped him up as world-class because he was a brilliant and charismatic leader.
 
JuliusSeizure said:
Jordan and Koumantarakis probably, but Radebe was in no way just an average player. I'd say not world class but by today's standards, a player who is worthy of playing in the Europa League. People have hyped him up as world-class because he was a brilliant and charismatic leader.
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Not Lucas, David Radebe, the guy who made a mean partnership with Mbesuma in that all conquering team.
 
I am encouraged by what Kaitano Tembo is doing with Supersport, that's what I am talking about, he has made a player out of Grobler, he is able to get the best out of Gabuza, if only we didn't have such a clueless guy as a Bafana coach, there's plenty to work with currently.
 
TheChamp said:
I used to enjoy the simple techniques of Dolezar, Dimitri, Igesund and some of the local coaches,
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But to be fair, you can't use those strategies today. Clive Barker's strategy was simple yet poor and though I don't want to take from his 96 Afcon achievement, they won it with their fair share of luck.

When you also consider the context of that year and time in history, you also have to wonder if corrupt officials of FIFA wanted SA to win that because it would have been very profitable for them. They probably also meddled in South Korea's run to the 2002 World Cup semis. That Korean squad was probably below the quality of the Bafana Bafana squad which competed in that Cup which was decent and could have gone to the knockouts with better luck or had Arendse not made the blunder against Spain.

Benni has impressed me this season. He has gotten the best out of an average AmaZulu side and clearly matured as a coach from his Cape Town City days. He definitely did a lot of introspection during his break from the game.

Edit: If we won the bid for the 2006 World Cup, I think we would have gone to the knockout stages. Scrutiny around FIFA's corruption only surfaced around 2008ish. They would have got the refs to ensure what was best for business happened.
 
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TheChamp said:
if only we didn't have such a clueless guy as a Bafana coach, there's plenty to work with currently.
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SAFA hired him as they don't have money. A guy like Hunt or Mosimane won't last in that position and quit out of frustration. I went to their office in 2018 and it's embarrassing and a microcosm of their state of affairs.

I think we could adopt the American model. They were just above our level a few years ago and are now having a golden generation. If they continue at this rate, they might even end up winning the World Cup in our lifetime.

It has to start at grassroots level. In top countries and even Francophone African countries, the players are being refined from age 5 whereas here it's only starting in their teens.
 
JuliusSeizure said:
Ah, yeah. If their league was made up of local talent, they might be able to make one world-class side (with all their top performers) which might be at the level of Chelsea currently but the rest of their sides would be at Burnley's level and below.
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Man Us, Tottenham's have been beaten here. Top PSL sides are way better than championship standard.
 
Excalibur said:
Man Us, Tottenham's have been beaten here.
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Sure, but these were mostly youth/reserve players with maybe one or two first-team stars. Those were not first-string sides and many of the players were unknown. Chiefs also needed penalties to win that game against a virtually reserve Man United side+ Solskjaer and Giggs.

I remember a guy named Dong from China scored the winner against Chiefs in 2006 (it was a big joke in Primary School at the time) and not much came of his career afterwards.

A PSL All Star Xi might just about be bottom half of the Premier League table quality but I don't think any of the PSL teams are at that level. Mid-table Championship status at best.
 
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JuliusSeizure said:
Sure, but these were mostly youth/reserve players with maybe one or two first-team stars. Those were not first-string sides and many of the players were unknown. Chiefs also needed penalties to win that game against a virtually reserve Man United side+ Solskjaer and Giggs.

I remember a guy named Dong from China scored the winner against Chiefs in 2006 (it was a big joke in Primary School at the time) and not much came of his career afterwards.

A PSL All Star Xi might just about be bottom half of the Premier League table quality but I don't think any of the PSL teams are at that level. Mid-table Championship status at best.
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No, go check the lineups, it was not 1 or 2 regulars. You can also go back to the 90s United Bank cup that had JVC Arsenal come here.
 
This is the Spurs team that lost to Orlando Pirates a decade ago, I wouldn't call them largely reserves.

Gomes; Walker, Bassong, Khumalo, Assou-Ekotto; Lennon, Modric, Huddlestone, Pienaar; Van der Vaart, Crouch

Substitutes: Cudicini, Hutton, Kaboul, Bale, Kranjcar, Palacios, Defoe, Pavlyuchenko
 
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Excalibur said:
This is the Spurs team that lost to Orlando Pirates a decade ago, I wouldn't call them largely reserves.

Gomes; Walker, Bassong, Khumalo, Assou-Ekotto; Lennon, Modric, Huddlestone, Pienaar; Van der Vaart, Crouch
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Fair enough, thanks for pointing that out. I do remember that the Man United and Man City teams the latter of which was hammered by AmaZulu were reserve sides.

Though you have to point out that the EPL clubs don't really value these games and it's suspected that they often intentionally don't score too many goals in order to keep the home sides happy. It's more about running and touching the ball than actually scoring. You will notice that the managers often don't even celebrate when their teams score in these games.

I'd say Bafana Bafana is an accurate representation of the best SA players and it's definitely not a PL worthy side, though a PSL All Star xi with the foreigners (especially Shalulile, Nurkovic, Nasciemento etc) could just about be a bottom half of the table PL side.
 
JuliusSeizure said:
Fair enough, thanks for pointing that out. I do remember that the Man United and Man City teams the latter of which was hammered by AmaZulu were reserve sides.

Though you have to point out that the EPL clubs don't really value these games and it's suspected that they often intentionally don't score too many goals in order to keep the home sides happy. It's more about running and touching the ball than actually scoring. You will notice that the managers often don't even celebrate when their teams score in these games.

I'd say Bafana Bafana is an accurate representation of the best SA players and it's definitely not a PL worthy side, though a PSL All Star xi with the foreigners (especially Shalulile, Nurkovic, Nasciemento etc) could just about be a bottom half of the table PL side.
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My bad, that Spurs squad lost to Chiefs and beat Pirates, it was the 2003 Spurs that lost to Pirates via a Lekoelea set-piece. That 2003 Spurs side was coached by Hoddle and had players like Keane and Poyet.

I think generally the PSL sides fare fairly well against English side considering the gulf in budgets.
 
Excalibur said:
My bad, that Spurs squad lost to Chiefs and beat Pirates, it was the 2003 Spurs that lost to Pirates via a Lekoelea set-piece. That 2003 Spurs side was coached by Hoddle and had players like Keane and Poyet.

I think generally the PSL sides fare fairly well against English side considering the gulf in budgets.
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There is usually nothing much that they have to play for so they take it a bit easy when they come to places like SA and even when they go to Asia. The players also try their best not to get injured.

If those players put their minds to it or if it was a Cup game, it would start to look like how the European team usually makes the non-Euro teams look in the Club World Cup. IMO, the club world cup should be scrapped because its more of a money spinoff anyway and nobody really values it.

Sundowns were made to look bad by the Asian Champions (who are probably not EPL quality) themselves in the Club World Cup so they definitely not EPL quality.
 

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RIP to Ian Palmer and Condolences to his family. My late Uncle was a big Buccaneers supporter, I remember Ian from back then in the same team with the likes of Basil Steenkamp and other greats. He later surfaced as a coach in recent times.
 
Well we'll see the strength of this TTM team against Baroka this weekend.
 
TheChamp said:
I see, I saw something about TTM, I think they bought some status in the NFD, this whole thing is getting out of hand.
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It has. My worry is if a team with an owner who loves spending money (e.g. Royal AM), they’ll just keep buying someone’s PSL status. This precedent they are setting could potentially cause massive chaos moving forward.
 
Yep..you guys are right...it's a PSL circus.TTM(Limpopo) has acquired the status of Royal AM Football Club in the GladAfrica Championship League.
They sold their PSL status to Gallants(Polokwane) after buying it from Wits.
Royal AM(Maritzburg) bought Bloem Celtic's PSL status.
 
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