Question about tax.

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Well I dont pay tax, cause my income isn't high. Yeah you heard right. Now what happens, someone deposit money into my account to pay off a loan for her once a month. Now that then puts me into the bracket to pay tax, if I understand right. Can I maybe get in trouble, cause my "income" is then in the tax pay level? Do then banks check this things, or how can I then get "caught", if I can put it that way?
 
Only INCOME gets taxed.

Income has a very specific meaning assigned to it in the Income Tax Act. In your case, it sounds as if it is not income as meant in the legislation. You are simply acting as a conduit for the person paying funds into your account.
 
Writing a test on this BS in about a week....:(

The tax act says any amount "received", "accrued" or "in favour of".

Clearly it did not accrue to you and it is not in your favour...that leaves received...which you did. So according to the act, you'd have to include it.

However, case law set a precedent that you don't have to include it. In the case Geldenhuys v CIR (1947 C) it was that "received by" means "Received by the taxpayer on his own behalf for his own benefit".

So you would ignore the amount received completely and not include it anywhere on your tax return.

If you earn interest on the money held then that will be taxable. It would have been better if the agreement had been in writing....but its too late now. If you put it into writing now then that will cause more problems than an oral agreement because the agreement has to have existed when the money was received.

blunomore said:
Only INCOME gets taxed.
Its not that easy unfortunately. E.g. In some cases you get taxed on a deposit...even if its paid back. Or if you are collecting money for a charity.:eek:
 
Writing a test on this BS in about a week....:(

The tax act says any amount "received", "accrued" or "in favour of".

Clearly it did not accrue to you and it is not in your favour...that leaves received...which you did. So according to the act, you'd have to include it.

However, case law set a precedent that you don't have to include it. In the case Geldenhuys v CIR (1947 C) it was that "received by" means "Received by the taxpayer on his own behalf for his own benefit".

So you would ignore the amount received completely and not include it anywhere on your tax return.

If you earn interest on the money held then that will be taxable. It would have been better if the agreement had been in writing....but its too late now. If you put it into writing now then that will cause more problems than an oral agreement because the agreement has to have existed when the money was received.


Its not that easy unfortunately. E.g. In some cases you get taxed on a deposit...even if its paid back. Or if you are collecting money for a charity.:eek:


It does not change what I said, Havoc. Income gets taxed, but the issue is that the Act has a wide definition of income, i.e. not only a salary.
 
Why does she not pay it directly?
Its better for her (it's a long story), but maybe I must stop that before I get into trouble. I'm not jumping tax here, so dont hope I get trouble later on. Do you guys think ABSA check the total amount deposited into my account for a year, or is it just very high deposits that get "flagged"?
 
Its better for her (it's a long story), but maybe I must stop that before I get into trouble. I'm not jumping tax here, so dont hope I get trouble later on. Do you guys think ABSA check the total amount deposited into my account for a year, or is it just very high deposits that get "flagged"?

Well, they would issue you a income tax certificate indicating the amount of interest (if any) earned for the relevant year, so yes, they do keep an eye on what happens in your account.
 
The deposits will not be taxable. As long as you can explain to SARS where it comes from and the reason for it.

The banks only provide details to SARS on interest earned on accounts. There is no legal requirement on the bank to provide deposit details to SARS. In the instance where SARS wants more specific details on an account they must request it from the bank in writing. This will only be in the case of audits.

The only deposits the bank will inform SARS about is where a lot of tax refunds goes into a single bank account - this happens where there is fraudulent activities going on that usually involves someone from inside SARS.

HavocXphere summarized the legal position correctly.
 
Writing a test on this BS in about a week....:(

The tax act says any amount "received", "accrued" or "in favour of".

Clearly it did not accrue to you and it is not in your favour...that leaves received...which you did. So according to the act, you'd have to include it.

However, case law set a precedent that you don't have to include it. In the case Geldenhuys v CIR (1947 C) it was that "received by" means "Received by the taxpayer on his own behalf for his own benefit".

So you would ignore the amount received completely and not include it anywhere on your tax return.

If you earn interest on the money held then that will be taxable. It would have been better if the agreement had been in writing....but its too late now. If you put it into writing now then that will cause more problems than an oral agreement because the agreement has to have existed when the money was received.


Its not that easy unfortunately. E.g. In some cases you get taxed on a deposit...even if its paid back. Or if you are collecting money for a charity.:eek:

in SARS v Cape Consumers (pty) ltd (CPD 1999) it was held that if a person is not entitled to an amount received by him and it doesnt accrue to him for his own benefit, then such an amount had not been received or accrued within the meaning of "gross income" as defined.
Silke 2008, pg 13.

the interest is a different story, that will be included in your gross income and maybe be exempt from tax depending on how much interest you already earn...

(im also writing on this in a week or so..)
 
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Thanks you all, appreciate all the input. Well looks like I've got someone to go and talk to now.....
 
Not to nitpick... But

Writing a test on this BS in about a week....:(
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If you earn interest on the money held then that will be taxable. It would have been better if the agreement had been in writing....but its too late now. If you put it into writing now then that will cause more problems than an oral agreement because the agreement has to have existed when the money was received.
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"Oral" hehe.... :D
 
Just something that comes to mind now, If I'm correct, the max un taxable amount I can receive a year is R35000. Now is this for a household, me and my wife, or me R35000, and my wife R35000?
 
It does not change what I said, Havoc. Income gets taxed, but the issue is that the Act has a wide definition of income, i.e. not only a salary.
Your conclusion was spot on. I was just pointing out that logic you used to get there isn't identical to the one the tax act uses. In 99% of the cases it won't matter in practice.:)

sn3rd said:
"Oral" hehe....
Yeah....I kinda knew its not the right word, but I couldn't think of the write one so I took a chance & hoped nobody would notice.:p

jacqvt said:
Just something that comes to mind now, If I'm correct, the max un taxable amount I can receive a year is R35000. Now is this for a household, me and my wife, or me R35000, and my wife R35000?
In most cases, you can treat tax matters as 100% separate for the spouse. Often the partners fill out their own tax stuff and leave the spouse in the dark completely.

There were some exceptions for people married in community of property though....some things get calculated differently. I can't remember what exactly but I think the donations tax deduction was split differently.

If you shift income earning assets between the partners then it can also be a problem if its a blatant attempt to avoid taxes. It would have to be fairly obvious though.
 
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