Question regarding Islam

[Fudzy]

Do you at least acknowledge that Muslim extremists make up a tiny percentage of the worlds Muslim population? The same way not all Catholic priests are pedophiles?

Sometimes it seems like you can't.

 

[za1]

i dont think the problem is really the fact that say 1% are extremists (and 1% of 1.5 billion is still a lot) rather the deafening silence of the remaining 99% to the actions of the 1%.

 

[Fudzy]

What reaction would you longer to see? Are they responsible for the terrorists? Not sure if you guys interact with Muslims everyday but from the lot I know would rather dissociate themselves from the people who follow the same, albeit distorted, faith.

 

[wayfarer]

i dont think the problem is really the fact that say 1% are extremists (and 1% of 1.5 billion is still a lot) rather the deafening silence of the remaining 99% to the actions of the 1%.

How many mosques, Islamic radio stations or TV channels, Muslim newspapers or magazines have you checked to hear this deafening silence? Only recently I commented to a fellow Muslim that while the 99,99% have indeed loudly voiced their condemnation (of this extremism: a pollution of our beautiful faith) in various media, forums and institutions, that there are other matters that also need our attention. Matters such as our duties towards the poverty-stricken, the fight against AIDS particularly in Africa, and guidance of the youth generation - many of whom are drowning in substance abuse, promiscuity and other harmful lifestyles.

In fact, although the mainstream media outlets do not normally find it newsworthy or sensational enough to cover Muslim condemnation of extremism committed in the name of Islam, one does not have to dig very deep to find it. Islamophobes do not pick this up because they do not want to believe it. The truth does not fit in with their prefered view of Islam and Muslims, so they ignore it.

Every single mainstream Islamic social or scholarly representative Muslim organisation that one encounters condemns these extremist lunatics, but Islamophobes cannot digest this fact.

Many non-Muslims do in fact acknowledge that the "Islamic" extremists make up a tiny minority, but where the Islamophobes often go wrong is when they assert that the overwhelming majority of mainstream Muslims are silent on this matter. This incorrect perception could not be further from the truth.

By this, I do not mean that the harm caused by these extremist criminals is trivial! Perhaps they have even caused more harm to Islam than to their supposed "enemies". Indeed, one of our local (Cape Town) Muslim scholars pointed out that the battle against the extremists is a modern day jihad to be taken up by all Muslims.

 

[za1]

Indeed, one of our local (Cape Town) Muslim scholars pointed out that the battle against the extremists is a modern day jihad to be taken up by all Muslims.

lets hope he has many followers

How many mosques, Islamic radio stations or TV channels, Muslim newspapers or magazines have you checked to hear this deafening silence?

I don't frequent mosques, I find belief in non existant imaginery entities to be weird to say the least, but I do read a fair shair of Muslim newspapers, blogs, forums, don't usually come across many moderates.

 

[Milano]

State level harbouring of terrorist groups.
International collection/laundering of funds to support murder and destruction by "non-extremist" career professionals.
Indoctrination of youth with anti-West hatred via official state education systems.
Financial support to terrorist groups via state agencies.

 

[Alestorm]

State level harbouring of terrorist groups.
International collection/laundering of funds to support murder and destruction by "non-extremist" career professionals.
Indoctrination of youth with anti-West hatred via official state education systems.
Financial support to terrorist groups via state agencies.

I don't think the state in a few Muslim theocracies speaks for the majority of Muslims. The radical middle eastern governments should definitely be brought down, hopefully by their own people i.e. Iran.

Agree that many more Muslims are sympathetic to the cause of extremists than say the 1% figure being thrown around here. There's a lot of brainwashing going on though as you say, and it's not particularly hard when America/UK/Israel is invading Muslim countries (even though I agree with the invasions).

 

[Alestorm]

but I do read a fair shair of Muslim newspapers, blogs, forums, don't usually come across many moderates.

You'd only need to speak to Muslims in Cape Town (or the rest of SA) to find many moderates. Internet sources like blogs and forums are easily overrun with extremists as opposed to moderates. eg: MyBroadband.

Remember hate and threats will always come across more strongly, and be punted more heavily by the media, than plain old moderate voices. The difference between speaking to Muslims on the street instead of reading about them online would probably be an eye opener.

 

[Milano]

It would be impossible to operate an international network of terror with a support level of one percent.

 

[Alestorm]

It would be impossible to operate an international network of terror with a support level of one percent.

Probably true but it's just a thumb-sucked figure, the point of the thread was to acknowledge that extremists and their supporters are the minority of Muslims never mind 1%.

 

[za1]

It would be impossible to operate an international network of terror with a support level of one percent.

arghhh, the 1% I tossed in is not to be taken literally. I’m sure the actual figure of extreme Muslim Jihadist whatnot is actually higher.

I disagree though with what you say, because 1% of Muslims equals about 15 million which equals the amount of Jews in the world, and look at what 15 million Jews can achieve – they turned a dessert into an Oasis, held back for 60 years armies of numerous countries and constant daily terror attacks and even though the Muslims control 97% of the Middle East, they are desperate to get their hands on the Israelis thriving 3%.

And please let’s not side track, no there has never been a Palestine, It’s not Palestinian Land, its Israeli land with Palestinian squatters..

anyhow to get back on topic

Maybe the Muslim moderates will one day wake up, over throw the despots that rule Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, Somalia etc, disband the terror organisations, get rid of the Taliban, treat their woman as equals, show Infidels/kaffeers/non-believers respect, outlaw child marriages.... no harm in believing in fairy tales.

 

[Frankie]

Good to see that you are raising questions regarding Islam

Do you at least acknowledge that Muslim extremists make up a tiny percentage of the worlds Muslim population? The same way not all Catholic priests are pedophiles?

Sometimes it seems like you can't.

Good to see that you are raising questions regarding Islam, it's most certainly needed.

Is it the percentage of so called "extremists" really relevant?
Once you give us an idea of your interpretation of "extremist" we may get a better understanding of what you're on about.
Surely the fundamentals of the ideology should be questioned if taking it to the "extremes" leads to terrorist activities that we see these days, the hatred for westerners, etc.........

What gives you the perception that it's only a small percentage of the muslim population that support the same ideology that motivates the "extremists" ? What about the large numbers that celebrated events such as the muslims flying jet planes into high rise buildings, or the attack on innocent civilians in the Bali bombing, or the London underground suicide bombing, ......... the perpetrators were all devout muslims, and in most of these cases they were championed by muslim clerics , such as the one that got a short jail term (2 years) for his involvement in the Bali bombing.

What was the response by the majority of muslims in Australia when their chief cleric cleric likened western women to 'uncovered meat' deserving to be raped by a gang of young muslim men - did they give him the boot, no he held that position long after that incident.
Was he merely expressing openly what all Muslims are taught to believe about western women and their style of dress?

A Muslim cleric's claim that women who do not wear the veil are like 'uncovered meat' who attract sexual predators sparked outrage around Australia yesterday.

Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali, the nation's most senior Muslim cleric, compared immodestly-dressed women who do not wear the Islamic headdress with meat that is left uncovered in the street and is then eaten by cats.

Do catholics condone the despicable acts of child abuse by some of their clergy, and is there an interpretation of the bible that sanctions this behavior - I think not, but maybe others here can confirm.

There's loads more questions to be asked.

 

[wise_guy]

I agree it was a bad analogy by the Sheik that got blown out of proportion.Now people will say Muslims see women as steakchops ready to be braaid and chowed.
If the Americans say that there's an al-kaeda terrorist operating from Brakpan we'll immediately believe them without asking for evidence so how much of what they present to us is actually the truth.

 

[zippy]

i dont think the problem is really the fact that say 1% are extremists (and 1% of 1.5 billion is still a lot) rather the deafening silence of the remaining 99% to the actions of the 1%.

The majority is always silent, the popular term "silent majority" ring a bell ?

How can you pass judgment on people for not demonstrating? When last have you demonstrated against, say, child abuse?

 

[Frankie]

I agree it was a bad analogy by the Sheik that got blown out of proportion.Now people will say Muslims see women as steakchops ready to be braaid and chowed.

You forget to mention "tenderised" ?

 

[Fudzy]

Do catholics condone the despicable acts of child abuse by some of their clergy, and is there an interpretation of the bible that sanctions this behavior - I think not, but maybe others here can confirm.

The Pope's lack of action and allowing convicted priests to still practice sort of implies that he's okay with the idea or at least he'd rather stick his head in the sand.

 

[Fader4]

It would be impossible to operate an international network of terror with a support level of one percent.

as far as i know no such network exists so what are you talking about?

 

[wise_guy]

@milano.we already know the CIA funded the Taliban in the 80's so maybe the USA provides support for the terrorists to keep the war on terror alive and well.

 

[Mineer]

You forget to mention "tenderised" ?

"built by Ayatollah Mohseni, the Shia cleric who helped draft the law"

Shia Islam (Arabic: شيعة‎ Shīʻah, sometimes spelled Shi'a), is the second largest denomination of Islam, after Sunni Islam. The followers of Shia Islam are called Shiʻas but the terms Shiites or Shiʻites are common Anglicisations. "Shia" is the short form of the historic phrase Shīʻatu ʻAlī (شيعة علي), meaning "the followers of Ali" or "the faction of Ali"[1] or simply "The Party".[2]

from wiki

Sunni Islam is the largest branch of Islam, comprising up to 90%[1] [2] [3][4] of the total Muslim population of the world. Sunni Muslims are referred to as Maslik-e-Haq Ahlus Sunnah wa Al-Jamā‘ah (hanfi Brelvi) (Arabic: أهل السنة والجماعة‎ "people of the tradition [of Muhammad] and the community") or Ahlus Sunnah (Arabic: أهل السنة‎) for short. Sunni Islam may be referred to as Orthodox Islam. The word "Sunni" comes from the term Sunnah (Arabic: سنة‎), which refers to the words and actions[5] or example of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. The Sunnis consider Sahih al-Bukhari to be the most important hadith.[6]

also from wiki

Now there are many other groups but Sunni and Shia being the biggest 2 but Sunni makes up 90%
so how much do you think Shia makes up

 

[TheHiveMind]

1%? What survey are you looking at?