Question regarding Islam

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Milano said:
It would be impossible to operate an international network of terror with a support level of one percent.
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One is seldom able to invite scorn from both sides with a single post. Just goes to prove ppl will read into this what they will.

For the record, the number of extremists may be in the minority however the level of financial, logistical, strategic support they are receiving indicates the number of sympathisers are substantial in terms of so-called "moderate" Muslim support.

Both sides remain blinded by hate so I will leave you all to your corners of 'love' and 'peace'.
 
HumanoidTyphoon said:
1%? What survey are you looking at?
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I disagree. I think the extremist is less than 1%, as I am a muslim and live and interact with muslims on a daily basis in all the communities in JHB and I do not know of even 1 extremist. All we see them is on the news and this forum.

Well on the other hand, it depends what you class as an extremist, if it is a person who is devoted to there religion, beard, wears religious clothes ect then I know a whole lot of them.
 
phenom said:
Well have you ever seen muslims march out against terrorism? as to the support: http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthr...ighting-quot?p=1217256&viewfull=1#post1217256
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthr...-zero-mosque?p=4514060&viewfull=1#post4514060

And yes, the same happened in the holocaust, only 1% took part in the killings. Question is, who supported this and allowed it to happen?
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Whats your point? How many people across the world support the invasions in Iraq, Palestine, Afganistan - do we call them all terrorists or potential terrorists?

What you guys fail to understand is that these terrorist kill a couple people at a time on a suicide bomb but how many people are being killed on a daily basis by the armies in Afganistan, Palestine, Iraq etc ???
 
Pynet said:
What you guys fail to understand is that these terrorist kill a couple people at a time on a suicide bomb but how many people are being killed on a daily basis by the armies in Afganistan, Palestine, Iraq etc ???
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Yeah but they aren't killing soldiers, they're killing normal people on the street. It's not a rare event, it happens daily, sometimes more than once. Cowards.
 
Pynet said:
I disagree. I think the extremist is less than 1%, as I am a muslim and live and interact with muslims on a daily basis in all the communities in JHB and I do not know of even 1 extremist. All we see them is on the news and this forum.

Well on the other hand, it depends what you class as an extremist, if it is a person who is devoted to there religion, beard, wears religious clothes ect then I know a whole lot of them.
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Sympathizers, enablers, those who would not report on extremist indoctrination or terrorism.. Much higher percentage than the 1% who are willing and eager to commit violence.
 
mass09 said:
Yeah but they aren't killing soldiers, they're killing normal people on the street. It's not a rare event, it happens daily, sometimes more than once. Cowards.
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You cant be serious, you think the armies are only killing soldiers? look it up how many civilians killed in these wars.

And I think the cowards are the people hiding behind there tanks and bullet proof clothing with 100 of trained soldiers going to kill 1 person, not even face to face, just bombing the entire are where they think there target is. Hence doesnt really faze me when the soldiers are killed in these countries.
 
phenom said:
As to terrorism, not to mentions the trillion$ lost in investment and security, and the millions of lives lost, the global political chaos that they cause.
And no as to the 'one percent', it's more like two-thirds' who directly support them. and only one-percent who speak out against.
EVEN SO, TERRORISM IS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST!

My problem with Islam is their plan to enslave (see Dhimmi status) us all.
To turn the world into a muslim state. and ALL THAT IT ENTITLES and what they are practicing(ie. holocaust gays, subjugation of woman, slavery(yes it is still very common), young child marriage/ownership, stoning rape victims(their law obviously has nothing to do with logic or rights, rather merely blindly parroting an old book))..... (see sharia law and above).
and how they mutilate children and brand people into their movement not allowing them to leave.
Their constant insidious intimidation, and how they don't allow others to place them on the table of honesty for introspection, never mind the ton of direct utter hate speech in the Koran
Their track record (to me this seems worse than any other i've ever read about)
and that 's only some i could mention..

Basically what i am convinced of Islam is that they want to take the life out of life, and destroy any hope for a future.

If this is not reason enough, then i can't begin to wonder what you really would be living life for, what you seek to protect in this world or for yourself.

<edit no, this post is not flippin hate speech or "neo naizi" "zionist jew" "reptilian" racisism, it is legitimate and fair criticism which should be considered inseparable to a fair democracy and liberal society, else it is not what it calls itself>
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I am sorry you feel like this, I tell you what if find any Muslim forcing you to be come muslim call me I will take care of him, he has no right to force this religion on u, I will condemn him any the strongest terms, if he hurts u then rest sured I will go out of my to return the favor;)
 
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HumanoidTyphoon said:
Sympathizers, enablers, those who would not report on extremist indoctrination or terrorism.. Much higher percentage than the 1% who are willing and eager to commit violence.
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Well as a South African in South Africa, I am certain that majority of muslims would report any acts of Terrorism and def would not support anything of the like.

If I was living in Iraq or any of the other places previously mentioned and subjected to violence and danger from the foreign armies on a daily basis maybe that percentage will be alot higher?
 
Milano said:
State level harbouring of terrorist groups.
International collection/laundering of funds to support murder and destruction by "non-extremist" career professionals.
Indoctrination of youth with anti-West hatred via official state education systems.
Financial support to terrorist groups via state agencies.
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Straight from Book 3, Verses 26-29 of the Qu'ran. PROOF that Islam is naturally disposed towards terrorism.
 
mass09 said:
@Pynet.
So are you saying the suicide bombers are justified?
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No ofcos not, I think suicide bombers are the most misguided bunch out there, as Islam forbids suicide!

However I am saying that there is 2 sides to a story, instead of focusing only on the harm caused by these few (probably uneducated) suicide bombers, what about the educated 1st world countries doing exactly the same thing on a much larger scale, killing thousands more civilians.
 
grayston said:
Straight from Book 3, Verses 26-29 of the Qu'ran. PROOF that Islam is naturally disposed towards terrorism.
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Oh noes, boo-hoo, you just changed the topic now I look more stupid than you :D
 
phenom said:
My problem with Islam is their plan to enslave (see Dhimmi status) us all.
To turn the world into a muslim state. and ALL THAT IT ENTITLES and what they are practicing(ie. holocaust gays, subjugation of woman, slavery(yes it is still very common), young child marriage/ownership, stoning rape victims(their law obviously has nothing to do with logic or rights, rather merely blindly parroting an old book))..... (see sharia law and above).
and how they mutilate children and brand people into their movement not allowing them to leave.
Their constant insidious intimidation, and how they don't allow others to place them on the table of honesty for introspection, never mind the ton of direct utter hate speech in the Koran
Their track record (to me this seems worse than any other i've ever read about)
and that 's only some i could mention..
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Pretty much all of this applied to Christianity and Christians up until a few hundred years ago. Anti-homosexuality, for example, was still law in SA until 1994...

Islam is just another religion. There's nothing specifically evil about Islam that doesn't also apply to other religions. Think of the repressive governments in South America in the 20th century, for example. All run by predominately Christian/Catholic-aligned regimes...

As for Islam's suicide bombers ... What the hell do you think a soldier is? Someone willing to lay down his life for his country/cause/religion, right? ;-)

Basically what i am convinced of Islam is that they want to take the life out of life, and destroy any hope for a future.
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Nah, they just want to preserve their own way of life. Best way to do that is to make sure everyone lives like you do. Y'know - like America exporting televangelism all over the world. :)

<edit no, this post is not flippin hate speech or "neo naizi" "zionist jew" "reptilian" racisism, it is legitimate and fair criticism which should be considered inseparable to a fair democracy and liberal society, else it is not what it calls itself>
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Well. It's legitimate criticism. I wouldn't call it fair, though, seeing as you're only attacking Islam.

Try be a bit more even-handed and you'll attract less criticism.
 
Forget terrorism. I would like to know how many Muslims on this forum (and Muslims in general actually) agree with Sharia Law?

(I use it's official name just this once so that you all know I'm not talking about a particular pop superstar... don't get used to it)
 
Mineer said:
No my brother thats just gross :D just wanna look up your ref :)
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Okay seriously guy, now you're just being scary. It almost sounds like you're half-worried that the Quran *does* include solid governmental directives for make benefit glorious religion of Islam using terrorism, and you want to check.

Without having read the Quran, let me assure you that it does not advocate terrorism any more or less than the Old Testament does.
 
phenom said:
forgot... those darn murderously insideous televangelist terrorists... :rolleyes:
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Yeah yeah yeah. On the other hand: abortion-clinic bombers.

It's just a matter of degree. You don't score any points for causing slightly less murders than rabid fanatics.
 
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