'Race a proxy for disadvantage' - Maimane

yebocan said:
First ..off the bat, acknowledgement -we are an inherent racist society, we have a race issue/problem. With that out of the way, you start breaking the problem down.. and start addressing the issue like academics and not politicians. Again, requires adults in the room.
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OK, let's pretend we're adults, and agree that we have a race issue. Now what?
 
R13... said:
This is their view from 2009:
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The DA is fully behind broad-based black economic empowerment. If properly implemented, it will pull people into the economy, reduce unemployment and stimulate growth. But BEE as implemented by the government has become elitist rather than broad-based and has done nothing to improve the chances of millions of still deeply disadvantaged South Africans.
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And this from 2014:

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• The DA rejects racial quotas in favour of programmes that actively promote black advancement by extending opportunity.

• We support incentives for firms to implement programmes of black advancement rather than punitive measures that hamper growth and jobs.

• We regard redress programmes as transitional measures that must be subject to regular review. This is to evaluate their on-going effectiveness and to ensure that the measures of disadvantage used are still valid and optimal.

The DA will measure the success or failure of redress programmes by their impact on economic growth and the opportunities that have been created for black advancement.
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https://www.politicsweb.co.za/documents/the-das-election-manifesto-2014
 
yebocan said:
We come from a past, that was premised on race. All of a sudden , that gets erased and its happy , happy family? Acknowledgement that there is a problem is the first step in addressing ...and ultimately resolving it. When you say others, ... those in your circle of friends, if yes...how diverse is your circle?
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You want me to now say I have black friends?

:X3::ROFL:
 
yebocan said:
Why would I want to have a meaningful adult conversation about race with someone with a childlike understanding of the subject? We will just be wasting each others time.
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Yes I agree, your understanding is childlike.
 
yebocan said:
no, how diverse is your echo chamber...?
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That's exactly what you want me to say.

yebocan said:
Sorry disengaging, as we clearly have different vantage positions and I am tired...long day.
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And you run away at the first sign of actually having a good faith based discussion. So typical. Want to come here and tell us we are extremely racial and we must acknowledge your world view, yet you are the one who cannot have a discussion about it.
 
yebocan said:
If you have to ask, then you do not know, if you do not know, no one can assist you to get to the "know" , either the dots connect at some stage...or the old adage rings true....ignorance is bliss
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Ah, so the who-gets-to-be-in-line-for-freebies queue and the who-gets-fscked-over queue, right?

How 'bout GFY?

PS. - we HAVE been "dealing" with this issue since day one of the new SA (with no end in sight btw). Or is that not enough?
 
Nick333 said:
OK, let's pretend we're adults, and agree that we have a race issue. Now what?
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now you apologize for being white, you hand over your farm / house / life savings / fertile daughters and you continue to fund all the government handout programs that you can't benefit from

that's what
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
now you apologize for being white, you hand over your farm / house / life savings / fertile daughters and you continue to fund all the government handout programs that you can't benefit from

that's what
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Yup, pretty much what I was getting at.
 
yebocan said:
How do you move society away from their entrenchment, when it comes to the race question?
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Free market capitalism:

If you are talking about the hangovers from Apartheid, their ideology doesn't work in a country where finding labour is difficult.

South Africa is mostly at this point already besides the rotten people who push their racism. If you look at a queue at an atm on payday, you will see all races standing there peacefully, probably chatting about how kak the government is,
 
Gingerbeardman said:
At which point does this behaviour stop? At which point does a white person stop being last in line for a job? How are you defining competence, because that surely doesn't take individual talent into account...?
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When Jesus comes #LiveWithIt
 
konfab said:
If you look at a queue at an atm on payday, you will see all races standing there peacefully, probably chatting about how kak the government is,
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This government? *shakes head* yoh yoh yoh...
Come May eight, it is the LAST chance for this ANC government, ne?
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
now you apologize for being white, you hand over your farm / house / life savings / fertile daughters and you continue to fund all the government handout programs that you can't benefit from

that's what
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Nope, not enough. You also have to pawn your first born into slavery, then go work in JM's garden.

Oh, and ffs, get rid of your dog. Don't forget that darn dog!
 
South Africas Race politics is like an Ikea knockoff antique: Its cheap, it looks great and you get to fool all your ignorant aka dumb friends who are none the wiser.
 
Good thing we have a even distribution of ethnicity on this site so we can have a fair discussion of this topic.
 
rietrot said:
It takes just one person to make a valid point.
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Instead of making a point, channelorange complained about the lack of black representation on the forums. Guess we should run a poll to understand our numbers, because I am pretty sure it's not overly white.
 
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