Racist Facebook group student expelled

[TheHiveMind]

Are you against them making one positive change because other issues still exist? That's some warped logic If you refer to my original post in this thread, I said something along similar lines to you, but it appears on the previous occasions, the university's name was not linked to the group in any way.

It's akin to saying that we should not prosecute rapists because some murderers still get off scot-free...

Well, they don't get off scott free, they are intentionally let off scott free.
Big diff. There is a double standard. That is a problem.

 

[Wiehan]

This creates a nasty precedent.

... a disciplinary hearing found the student guilty of impairing the university's good name.

That is such a broad qualification. It could be applied (and abused) in a vast array of circumstances. If the university gets away with this, it paves the way for them to expell students on far more trivial grounds.

In this case, it seems justified, because racism is almost universally considered to be bad. But one has to ask oneself whether the university isn't seriously overstepping its own jurisdiction here. (E.g they would have a valid case, imo, if the students were harassing other students on-campus.)

If there is something about South African educational institutions that I hate, it's that most of them are far more concerned with their good name than providing quality education.

 

[stoke]

Whites, on the other hand, feel obliged to be opinionated about ethnicities they really know nothing about.

Are you implying that I must become opinionated about ethnicities that I know nothing about?
Well, okay then.
I'll start doing that then.

 

[TheHiveMind]

Yes, I don't know how true that is.

But if it is to some degree, bear in mind that many of these people in government suffered at the oppressive hands of the White Imperialistic regime during the Struggle. It is completely understandable if some of these people find it hard to keep their thoughts to themselves.

Whites, on the other hand, feel obliged to be opinionated about ethnicities they really know nothing about.

You can't accept hate speech on one side as "understandable" and then slam the other side for simply perpetuating it. The reason comments come from one side, is because of comments coming from the other side. Either both sides comments are "understandable" and need to be discussed, or both sides need to be slammed for hate speech. You will never stop one side without stopping the other.

Its not completely understandable. They are the government. They have a responsibility to be above racial issues, far more than the general populous. Especially the government of the rainbow nation and the leading example of transformation.

 

[stoke]

Yeah, I think we can be sarcastic about this or whatever - but it doesn't change the truth. I live in an Afrikaner neighbourhood, go to an Afrikaner school. I can tell you I've never experienced such closed-mindedness in my life.

If you want an excuse to feel opinionated about blacks, go ahead and do it. It's your life and you have to carry the consequences. I won't be able to talk sense into a stubborn Afrikaner's head anytime soon.

Lol, you've got to stop generalising, that's all. We're all individuals, and generalising is what started all this rubbish in the first place.
i.e. Don't imply that the ANYTHING is ANYTHING ever, pick a specific person and k a k them out for what they did, provide evidence if it's required, or shut up.

 

[TheHiveMind]

Ag, don't be ridiculous! Generalization is a nice way to see things as whole. We do it in statistics all the time. Anyone who has poked his head our his window for a reasonable time will know that in general, Afrikaners are racist and have lower IQ, and that, in general, most black people have suffered at the hands of the criminals that ruled this country. If all blacks were as racist as we whites are, we would all be dead by now.

No, not really. They still depend on us.

If we were all as racist as you say we are, blacks would be dead. Whats your point?

You are kinda inviting people to generalize the other way.

 

[Tns]

end of the day you can't find hate with hate...

 

[LillPienkPawny]

Does the university now gain jurisdiction into what and what we may not do in our private lives ? I think this is the biggest problem here .

But all im seeing in this thread is one group claiming that they have freedom of speach and the other trying to say that hate speach is wrong .

It seems noone even tries to discus the fact that the court gave the NWU the right to to expel any student that can possibly hurt its so called name , if they for some reason decide that they no longer want the university to have a connection to people that do\are\come from\ islam,venterdorp,joined a dart throwing group on facebook,play rugby,go to the beach on christmas,wear pink popped collar shirts etc. even if those things are practised in private.

They have now expelled a student for creating a group that has no connections to the NWU other than the person is a student at NWU , and you guys somehow think that this is right ? unless the student was using only the NWU's computors and internet connection to make and maintain the group , i cannot see a reason for the court to grant the NWU this right.

The case should rather be The people vs facebook than NWU vs students human rights.

 

[Chevron]

*sigh*

Yeah, you're right - the trick to solving racism is to allow it to continue unabated...

The only way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.

ie, get rid of BEE and AA.

You can't accept hate speech on one side as "understandable" and then slam the other side for simply perpetuating it. The reason comments come from one side, is because of comments coming from the other side. Either both sides comments are "understandable" and need to be discussed, or both sides need to be slammed for hate speech. You will never stop one side without stopping the other.

Its not completely understandable. They are the government. They have a responsibility to be above racial issues, far more than the general populous. Especially the government of the rainbow nation and the leading example of transformation.

See above. Gauvamint perpetuates racism.

Ag, don't be ridiculous! Generalization is a nice way to see things as whole. We do it in statistics all the time. Anyone who has poked his head our his window for a reasonable time will know that in general, Afrikaners are racist and have lower IQ, and that, in general, most black people have suffered at the hands of the criminals that ruled this country. If all blacks were as racist as we whites are, we would all be dead by now.

LOL wut?! You just proved you are racist and have a lower IQ.

Does the university now gain jurisdiction into what and what we may not do in our private lives ? I think this is the biggest problem here .

But all im seeing in this thread is one group claiming that they have freedom of speach and the other trying to say that hate speach is wrong .

It seems noone even tries to discus the fact that the court gave the NWU the right to to expel any student that can possibly hurt its so called name , if they for some reason decide that they no longer want the university to have a connection to people that do\are\come from\ islam,venterdorp,joined a dart throwing group on facebook,play rugby,go to the beach on christmas,wear pink popped collar shirts etc. even if those things are practised in private.

They have now expelled a student for creating a group that has no connections to the NWU other than the person is a student at NWU , and you guys somehow think that this is right ? unless the student was using only the NWU's computors and internet connection to make and maintain the group , i cannot see a reason for the court to grant the NWU this right.

The case should rather be The people vs facebook than NWU vs students human rights.

Very good point.