Rand at 5-year low vs dollar

It is just the beginning...
Result of 5 years Marcus's low rates policy.
 
It is just the beginning...
Result of 5 years Marcus's low rates policy.

If it wasn't for the low rates we'd be ****ed

It's more of a reflection of how the budget is spent and how much they DON'T spend on infrastructure that affects it even more. Electricity. Water. Hospitals. Police. Petrol (etolls) etc. I had quite a nice raise this year, but with tax I only get R110 out, and that doesn't even cover how much petrol went up. So I'm actually going backward instead of forward

The Rand is very stable if our economy and growth is stable. But the party animals in government spending money willy-nilly are starting to reap what they sow, and it directly affects millions of people. So when the USD takes a wobble or strengthens, we directly feel it's affects, whereas previously we weren't AS affected. That's why the recession in 2008 didn't have as big an impact as it did worldwide.

You can only milk a dry cow for THAT long before it peels over and dies
 
I could be very wrong, and for the most part of it hope I am, but I suspect that within the next 5-10 years, the Rand will fall to an all-time low of about R35-R55 against the Dollar.
 
I could be very wrong, and for the most part of it hope I am, but I suspect that within the next 5-10 years, the Rand will fall to an all-time low of about R35-R55 against the Dollar.

Good grief, dude! I hope you're wrong! :eek:
 
I could be very wrong, and for the most part of it hope I am, but I suspect that within the next 5-10 years, the Rand will fall to an all-time low of about R35-R55 against the Dollar.
On what grounds do you base that assumption?
 
Got some good news today - my electricity bill. they apparently owe me a few hundred rands after they did a meter reading! got some extra $$$ this month for a few bottles of whiskey and some cheap dirty hookers.
 
On what grounds do you base that assumption?

Could this be reasons for House making the comment?

Speculations that South Africa will not be able to service debt for loans they made.
The phenomenally expensive nuclear program that is on the cards.
Political intolerance.
 
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Only starting to realize now how bleak things are on this front that I'm looking at overseas cost of living. Suddenly feeling very poor. :o

The part about that nuke deal that scares me is that its USD denominated....so if the Rand crashes then it suddenly hits us way harder. And I don't think its feasible to hedge that...
 
Could this be reasons for House making the comment?

Speculations that South Africa will not be able to service debt for loans they made.
The phenomenally expensive nuclear program that is on the cards.
Political intolerance.

I'm not denying that there are potential reasons we may hit that number.. but its by no means guaranteed that we will.
 
If it wasn't for the low rates we'd be ****ed

It's more of a reflection of how the budget is spent and how much they DON'T spend on infrastructure that affects it even more. Electricity. Water. Hospitals. Police. Petrol (etolls) etc. I had quite a nice raise this year, but with tax I only get R110 out, and that doesn't even cover how much petrol went up. So I'm actually going backward instead of forward

The Rand is very stable if our economy and growth is stable. But the party animals in government spending money willy-nilly are starting to reap what they sow, and it directly affects millions of people. So when the USD takes a wobble or strengthens, we directly feel it's affects, whereas previously we weren't AS affected. That's why the recession in 2008 didn't have as big an impact as it did worldwide.

You can only milk a dry cow for THAT long before it peels over and dies

Government spending doesn't help, but it's not the biggest problem.

By far, this ****hole's biggest problem is simple: We haven't got anything to offer. We export a few minerals, but the value of those is shockingly low, and everything is in it's raw state. We export no ideas, because government policies chased away our best people. We export a few cars, but those factories are heavily subsidised by tax incentives. We export very little industrial equipment, because government's policies make it unattractive to produce anything here. In short we have nothing to offer.

Even when we look at our stock exchange, which is filled companies with great foreign earnings, we still can't keep the money in the country since those companies have huge foreign shareholders.

And yet "we demund" all the west has to offer. We buy TVs and machines and planes, all produced abroad, and all paid for in forex. Government has convinced the dumb peasants that they all deserve free BMWs and champagne and caviar dinners, even if they're only capable of digging holes or picking millies.

This isn't rocket science, it's basic supply and demand, and what it comes down to is that we live in a banana republic.

It's not going to get any better either. Government's policy of keeping the masses uneducated and loyal to the ANC, means that our economy will never expand or evolve. Without our mineral exports, the country will earn no forex, and those are declining fast. That deficit is coming soon to bite us in the arse.

We're ****ed, with no hope of recovery, just as you'd expect when the majority of the population has an IQ around 75. R 11 to the dollar is just the beginning.

Oh, and also there is much USD strength at the moment. (Because the US produces **** that people want to buy.)
 
We're ****ed, with no hope of recovery, just as you'd expect when the majority of the population has an IQ around 75. R 11 to the dollar is just the beginning.
Marcus did the job properly to **ck you up.
 
So how do you get your money out into a first world country? Still living here, but having a backup fund sitting on the outside for when go "Zimbabwe"?

Is there ever a chance that some kind of major banking crises could hit 1st world economies, worst than the one we saw a few years back?
 
So how do you get your money out into a first world country? Still living here, but having a backup fund sitting on the outside for when go "Zimbabwe"?
As far as I can tell...you don't. Opening a bank account overseas seems difficult without actually being there.

Still I'd imagine there is a way. As a very simplistic example...I can jam 20 USD onto my Steam wallet...and that now sits there in USD and is thus immune to ZAR/USD movements. I'm sure one could do the same with a USD denominated stock broker account or something.

Is there ever a chance that some kind of major banking crises could hit 1st world economies, worst than the one we saw a few years back?
Definitely. But if the 1st world banking system falls then its all going to be screwed anyway. Also...relevant:

http://www.amazon.com/Wenn-Krieg-gibt-gehen-Wüste/dp/3935453027
 
As far as I can tell...you don't. Opening a bank account overseas seems difficult without actually being there.

Still I'd imagine there is a way. As a very simplistic example...I can jam 20 USD onto my Steam wallet...and that now sits there in USD and is thus immune to ZAR/USD movements. I'm sure one could do the same with a USD denominated stock broker account or something.


Definitely. But if the 1st world banking system falls then its all going to be screwed anyway. Also...relevant:

http://www.amazon.com/Wenn-Krieg-gibt-gehen-Wüste/dp/3935453027

Have the English version of the above book on my bookshelf, read it three times in the last 15 years and now sell it on my shelf at the store...
 
Got it too...though admittedly never made it through. The endless descriptions of geological formations got to me. :o
 
It is just the beginning...
Result of 5 years Marcus's low rates policy.

Please remove the eye patches from your eyes and gain the knowledge that most of us in SA has become accustomed to. It is the mass fraud of public taxes by the current government led by the ANC that are to blame.
 
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