Also hes moaning about the negative effects of resilience wich i also think is true, our greatest strength is delivering burst dmg before taking some dmg, we cc and get back into range and deliver more burst damage, with the deminishing returns on traps and things we become totaly useless after the 4th trap dont we?, in no way are we desighned to outlast any class, with viper sting we could effectivly drain opponents, but only with improved stings and by using a scorpid pet, now resillience effects our drain what strength do we have?
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Freezing trap is the only trap with deminishing returns. But being able to only place a trap each 30 sec, lasting 8 sec max, targets usualy are out of the trap longer than 10 sec to remove the deminishing effect.
High resilliance reduces the effect our mana drain have, but it also reduces drain on ourselfes and our friends if we have the right gear.
Resilliance is there to make fights last longer, and yes it have a major impact on a burst dps class like ourselfes but we were on the front of complaining about 3 min mages and 2 shotting warriors?
Having to learn how to shoot on the move, and not stand still in the usual "hunter afk mode" does take some skill. But we are not really alone in this, are we? All casters need to stand still to deliver there max dmg, else they are reduced to the few instant casts they have.
High resilliance reduces the effect our mana drain have, but it also reduces drain on ourselfes and our friends if we have the right gear.
Resilliance is there to make fights last longer, and yes it have a major impact on a burst dps class like ourselfes but we were on the front of complaining about 3 min mages and 2 shotting warriors?
Having to learn how to shoot on the move, and not stand still in the usual "hunter afk mode" does take some skill. But we are not really alone in this, are we? All casters need to stand still to deliver there max dmg, else they are reduced to the few instant casts they have.
Thing is it takes a great hunter to exploit all other classes weaknesses but any noob knows how to exploit a hunters.
BG's are different, most hunters get there high dmg because they always go for the npc's or stand at the back and shoot from a distance, if you happen to bump into someone one on one your chances of survival depend on yuor skills, now imagine a BG where its always you alone against other classes, you will never top dmg meters.
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There is only 2 Classes a hunter can not kill or has trouble with... and they complain
Warrior because he can Intercept while being under a kite
and
Rogue for sprint
The rest is easy mode for hunters..... why all the biatching ?
I read this orginal post on the US hunter forums a couple days ago
I agree with the OP 100%
With it being flamebait friday, and all... here goes
Werries, read his entire post again, then say hes whining. Not just what Petruz linked. His points are valid
Arenas are just not designed for hunters. Want proof? Look at the latest hunter statistics on the Tournie realm. Its just too small
Hunters do rely on pets... wtf makes u think differently? I'll spec full survival for 3 abilities? (Entrapment, Deterrence, Readiness), Oh wait i'll spec full MM for Scatter and Silence... pew pew, now they're on CD, i'm dead. BM isn't much different, TBW, 18 sec of immunity, then dead. My pet adds dmg, creates a distraction
1 of the points the OP is trying to make, is yes we're able to PVP any class... BUT not in close range. We just need tons of space (av?) and we'll manage any class.
Hunters dominate everything till 70. Why? we're an PVE class, as the OP explained with his [hunter] targets [mob], [mob] targets [pet], our abilities are designed like that.
Flame me
I agree with the OP 100%
With it being flamebait friday, and all... here goes
Werries, read his entire post again, then say hes whining. Not just what Petruz linked. His points are valid
Arenas are just not designed for hunters. Want proof? Look at the latest hunter statistics on the Tournie realm. Its just too small
Hunters do rely on pets... wtf makes u think differently? I'll spec full survival for 3 abilities? (Entrapment, Deterrence, Readiness), Oh wait i'll spec full MM for Scatter and Silence... pew pew, now they're on CD, i'm dead. BM isn't much different, TBW, 18 sec of immunity, then dead. My pet adds dmg, creates a distraction
1 of the points the OP is trying to make, is yes we're able to PVP any class... BUT not in close range. We just need tons of space (av?) and we'll manage any class.
Hunters dominate everything till 70. Why? we're an PVE class, as the OP explained with his [hunter] targets [mob], [mob] targets [pet], our abilities are designed like that.
Flame me
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Its not about topping dmg meter is BG's its about topping killing blows, or enemies killed. That is the thing most newb pvp'ers look at when they rate themselfes in BG's. Its also unfortunatly that this type of attetude of topping the charts, is what causes a lot of teams to loose. Focus on the game objectives rather and support the flag carrier, protect a base, etc.
Hunters are a great support dps class, and at times they can be some of the best defenders with well placed traps.
Hunters are a great support dps class, and at times they can be some of the best defenders with well placed traps.
So do warlocks. And yet...
Look, my beef is that (1)I had a hunter pre BC and PVP'ed very successfully. Why is that? Because I (2)learned to kite. I learned this by doing the Rhok'Delar Epic Bow quests.
I cannot tell you how often I see epic geared hunters in arena and pvp, getting wailed on by melee, and they just stand there and 'pew pew pew'. Or they backpedal. The art of straferunning? Gone.
I'm willing to bet these are all hunters who've never had to kite a day in their lives because they've always just relied on their pet to tank mobs while they spank em.
The days of jumpshot kiting are gone. Hunters don't know how to do it anymore.
Yes, the OP has a point.. but I said this before and I'll say it again, hunters needed more kiting options to keep up in PVP rather than 'mortal shot' and a purge. They also need to be 'forced' to learn to use their kiting abilities rather than rely on their pet for everything. TBW was a step in the right direction, but probably not enough.
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Ok ok, his points are valid. And the number of top end hunters are really small, they are there though. The number of top end hunter have increased a lot though since the deadzone was removed, am I correct?
The 5v5 arena games fits hunter play style a lot better than the other brackets, but hunter pvp mode is not the easy pve mode most hunters are used to.
Giving a number of valid points from a total one sided view is wasted words though. And his argument that all other classes are much easier to addapt for pvp is about as far fetched as can be. As Kayne said, warlocks also rely on pets in pve. One class out there cant even attemt to do pvp as all their abilities are pve, Protection warriors.
Since I play BM hunter my pet is a huge deal to me, but I use him more to annoy casters and to stun as often as possible. Having a 1700 rated warrior and a 1500 rated mage and a 1700 rated priest as well, I have the most fun with my hunter in arena games, and by no meens do I think that other classes are OP against me.
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TBW was a bandaid over a mortar wound.
I never got round to the Rhok quest (Majorhomo kept dropping Eyes)... I screwed around kiting dragons from Burning steppes into Northshire/SW
kHayne, Kiting has gone to **** in TBC due to:
2.0 agi nerf, 80% of our shots nerfed to hell
Introduction of steady shot (1,5sec cast, bye bye movement)
With these 2 changes, the only way we could dps is 2 stand still
The point of my previous post was, Arena is too small
*sniff* those were the days
As the OP said, theres your 'pet'
I never got round to the Rhok quest (Majorhomo kept dropping Eyes)... I screwed around kiting dragons from Burning steppes into Northshire/SW
kHayne, Kiting has gone to **** in TBC due to:
2.0 agi nerf, 80% of our shots nerfed to hell
Introduction of steady shot (1,5sec cast, bye bye movement)
With these 2 changes, the only way we could dps is 2 stand still
The hunter forums are booming with threads asking for Aotc to have the daze removed, unlinking autoshot from our rotation, to try apply more bandaids to balance us in arena
The point of my previous post was, Arena is too small
*sniff* those were the days
As the OP said, theres your 'pet'
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The biggest problem you face with melee opponents like rogues / warriors, once they have that crippling poison on you or hamstring effect, you just cannot get away... unless your BW is available. Even with the slowing trap out, wingclip on the opponent, you still walk so slow with those debuff's on you, you just cannot get away and you have to take it up the bum while trying to walk at a crippling pace away, and ofc mr rogue wants you to try run away, exposing your backside to him.
Mages can blink away, druids can shapeshift and remove slowing effects, rogues can shadowstep or cloak of shadows, warlocks have numerous fears available to them. Even priests can fear stuff off them... Kiting is the key, but with warriors charging, its not always viable. Arena is very nasty for a hunter... highest I have been able to go was 1800 rating, but from there on its damn hard.
A lot of hunters have been whining that the only to make the problem a little better would be to make scatter shot trainable, and not only viable to MM hunters. Oh well... no need to whine about it... but yes I have been reading that post very closely on the EU hunter forums for a while now, and he has very very valid points. Lactose and cheeky has presented many solutions to the hunter class, but whether or not the blizzard dev's will listen and implement them... thats another story. All I know is, once they make changes to the hunter class... you have all the other classes whining again. Never ending battle.
I try and make do with what I have... I love the hunter class. I love my druid in healing spec, but my hunter is still my no1 favourite <3
And as for Petruz Pown3ing a full S3 vengefull gladiator kitted hunter with his blue / green, unenchanted un-gemmed gear... I dunno man... screenshot or it did'nt happen. And if his name was AFK - huntard ... only the huntard section is his name.
Mages can blink away, druids can shapeshift and remove slowing effects, rogues can shadowstep or cloak of shadows, warlocks have numerous fears available to them. Even priests can fear stuff off them... Kiting is the key, but with warriors charging, its not always viable. Arena is very nasty for a hunter... highest I have been able to go was 1800 rating, but from there on its damn hard.
A lot of hunters have been whining that the only to make the problem a little better would be to make scatter shot trainable, and not only viable to MM hunters. Oh well... no need to whine about it... but yes I have been reading that post very closely on the EU hunter forums for a while now, and he has very very valid points. Lactose and cheeky has presented many solutions to the hunter class, but whether or not the blizzard dev's will listen and implement them... thats another story. All I know is, once they make changes to the hunter class... you have all the other classes whining again. Never ending battle.
I try and make do with what I have... I love the hunter class. I love my druid in healing spec, but my hunter is still my no1 favourite <3
And as for Petruz Pown3ing a full S3 vengefull gladiator kitted hunter with his blue / green, unenchanted un-gemmed gear... I dunno man... screenshot or it did'nt happen. And if his name was AFK - huntard ... only the huntard section is his name.
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Pitbull
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The biggest problem you face with melee opponents like rogues / warriors, once they have that crippling poison on you or hamstring effect, you just cannot get away... unless your BW is available. Even with the slowing trap out, wingclip on the opponent, you still walk so slow with those debuff's on you, you just cannot get away and you have to take it up the bum while trying to walk at a crippling pace away, and ofc mr rogue wants you to try run away, exposing your backside to him.
Mages can blink away, druids can shapeshift and remove slowing effects, rogues can shadowstep or cloak of shadows, warlocks have numerous fears available to them. Even priests can fear stuff off them... Kiting is the key, but with warriors charging, its not always viable. Arena is very nasty for a hunter... highest I have been able to go was 1800 rating, but from there on its damn hard.
A lot of hunters have been whining that the only to make the problem a little better would be to make scatter shot trainable, and not only viable to MM hunters. Oh well... no need to whine about it... but yes I have been reading that post very closely on the EU hunter forums for a while now, and he has very very valid points. Lactose and cheeky has presented many solutions to the hunter class, but whether or not the blizzard dev's will listen and implement them... thats another story. All I know is, once they make changes to the hunter class... you have all the other classes whining again. Never ending battle.
I try and make do with what I have... I love the hunter class. I love my druid in healing spec, but my hunter is still my no1 favourite <3
And as for Petruz Pown3ing a full S3 vengefull gladiator kitted hunter with his blue / green, unenchanted un-gemmed gear... I dunno man... screenshot or it did'nt happen. And if his name was AFK - huntard ... only the huntard section is his name.
Come on... Hunters are so easy to kill
I do it plenty
Pornolio
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Yea must admit, rogues + warriors are my worst enemy ...
You wont see a warrior stepping into arena without his pally / druid wife.
I once faced a rogue with both warglaives in arena once, and when he had me stunlocked / cheapshotted / crippled or whatever.. i sat there watching my hunter getting torn to pieces...
Yea rogues are nasty buggers... but they also tend to be bloody scaly in BG's... you only see them ganking ppl with low HP ... bloody cowards !!!!
You wont see a warrior stepping into arena without his pally / druid wife.
I once faced a rogue with both warglaives in arena once, and when he had me stunlocked / cheapshotted / crippled or whatever.. i sat there watching my hunter getting torn to pieces...
Yea rogues are nasty buggers... but they also tend to be bloody scaly in BG's... you only see them ganking ppl with low HP ... bloody cowards !!!!
Come on... Hunters are so easy to kill
I do it plenty
Can say about the same on the number of rogues I kill
but then again the people you met in non premade BG's dont have all the uber gear and are thus easy kills.
amen!
When those Warglaives start hitting you, you pray for a BoP from your paladin healer, there is not much you can do about it.
Pitbull
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Can say about the same on the number of rogues I kill
but then again the people you met in non premade BG's dont have all the uber gear and are thus easy kills.
But MS Warrior's and Mage's... I go squish
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Maybe not full vengfull but i am 100% sure he had the shoulders and the head legs too of vengefull hunter gearThe biggest problem you face with melee opponents like rogues / warriors, once they have that crippling poison on you or hamstring effect, you just cannot get away... unless your BW is available. Even with the slowing trap out, wingclip on the opponent, you still walk so slow with those debuff's on you, you just cannot get away and you have to take it up the bum while trying to walk at a crippling pace away, and ofc mr rogue wants you to try run away, exposing your backside to him.
Mages can blink away, druids can shapeshift and remove slowing effects, rogues can shadowstep or cloak of shadows, warlocks have numerous fears available to them. Even priests can fear stuff off them... Kiting is the key, but with warriors charging, its not always viable. Arena is very nasty for a hunter... highest I have been able to go was 1800 rating, but from there on its damn hard.
A lot of hunters have been whining that the only to make the problem a little better would be to make scatter shot trainable, and not only viable to MM hunters. Oh well... no need to whine about it... but yes I have been reading that post very closely on the EU hunter forums for a while now, and he has very very valid points. Lactose and cheeky has presented many solutions to the hunter class, but whether or not the blizzard dev's will listen and implement them... thats another story. All I know is, once they make changes to the hunter class... you have all the other classes whining again. Never ending battle.
I try and make do with what I have... I love the hunter class. I love my druid in healing spec, but my hunter is still my no1 favourite <3
And as for Petruz Pown3ing a full S3 vengefull gladiator kitted hunter with his blue / green, unenchanted un-gemmed gear... I dunno man... screenshot or it did'nt happen. And if his name was AFK - huntard ... only the huntard section is his name.
And yes in arena hunter is always ours first target since they fall so fast healer dont get chance too healem.If you leave him to do dmg at range youll come second forsure.Hunters just became easy prey at lvl 60 i thougth they were OP.But when i am feral they still give me hard time.
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Yes sadly that is very true...
Hunter in arena is always a no1 target. Only way to get around that is to take a shaman with you hehehe ! Shaman is the only class they kill with priority above a hunter.
I HATE stepping into a 5 vs 5 arena knowing I am their no1 target. Stupid warriors with their instant cast mortal strike... baaahh nerf. We need to do a friggen loooong cast to get our mortal shots in.
Hunter in arena is always a no1 target. Only way to get around that is to take a shaman with you hehehe ! Shaman is the only class they kill with priority above a hunter.
I HATE stepping into a 5 vs 5 arena knowing I am their no1 target. Stupid warriors with their instant cast mortal strike... baaahh nerf. We need to do a friggen loooong cast to get our mortal shots in.
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In bg you guys use people infront of you as pets so you can pawn in arena you got no pets cause nobody gives a crap about killing pet when you got almost same HP as pet.Can say about the same on the number of rogues I kill
but then again the people you met in non premade BG's dont have all the uber gear and are thus easy kills.
I have seen a waroir in ogrimar that kills hunters pet first and then hunter full vengfull geared hunter i may add.
Biggest insult you can give a hunter is to kill his pet then him.
About the screenshots its hard to get when its something thats over.never thougth about taking one cause killing a hunters no big deal for boom
Ill bring some from arena tonigth
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