yes, I do.
So when do you leave for safer pastures?
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Report: Cop killings almost double
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So when do you leave for safer pastures?
DreamKing
Honorary Master
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The Police gang is out of control and no one is stopping them. Might as well get a gun to protect yourself from them.
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First, I didn't said "policemen defend themselves = failure". The failure is because they can't perform the way the police suppose to be.
second, if you still remember last year, how many cases of "shoot-to-kill" against the civilians published in the newspapers? Some cases, the police just shot people from behind, which not even one of the policemen was in danger. That is the reason why I said SAPS did not have any intention to arrest people rather than killing people. We don’t need so many policemen act like psycho killers. One is more than enough!
I completely agree, if the criminal isn't threatening the policemen in any way, then it is completely unjustified to use deadly force.
However on your first point "The failure is because they can't perform the way the police suppose to be." even the best cops in the world use lethal force back, if fired upon. I am interested to what you think a cop should do if they are shot at?
DreamKing
Honorary Master
common practice is to shoot the suspect with "no fatal injury". For example, hand, arm, leg, but definitely not head and heart.
Rosaudio
First Officer
@ DreamKing
[video=youtube;-_5roF3vtlQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_5roF3vtlQ[/video]
In this case the police in the US was a failure too? Or are only South African police failures when the kill criminals?
[video=youtube;-_5roF3vtlQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_5roF3vtlQ[/video]
In this case the police in the US was a failure too? Or are only South African police failures when the kill criminals?
DreamKing
Honorary Master
@ DreamKing
In this case the police in the US was a failure too? Or are only South African police failures when the kill criminals?
yes, no doubt.
if not, why they put it to the youtube?
Rosaudio
First Officer
Why wouldn't they?
So what should have the policeman done in your opinion in the above case.
Hemi300c
Honorary Master
If you are a criminal and you have a weapon on you you should be treated as a threat to society and be treated with justified force - live by the sword die by the sword.
I am sick and tired of criminals and the rights they have - as far as I am concerned anyone with a "illegal gun" should be treated as harshly as possible - minimum sentence 12yrs.
Even if a shoplifter gets caught with an illegal gun.
Anyone who commits a crime with a gun should get 24yrs minimum - no matter the crime - it all starts there.
And anyone who shoots someone even if not killed whilst committing a crime should get a minimum of 35yrs - murder - they get hung.
It unfortunately is the only way to start a clean-up process.
I have the world of respect for the SAPS and the job they do (OK there are also bad apples but they will and should be treated as above +5yrs)
I am sick of crime and every time even a shoplifter lifts something it affects me and you and we should be intolerant to any crime - it's the only way to "stop" it.
Also when issuing gun licenses the SAPS SHOULD:-
Take rounds and shells shot by that weapon and link to the license
Take full DNA of the owner of the weapon
This would assist in tracing any licensed criminals as it would also assist with tracing of stolen/recovered weapons especially those used illegally.
I am sick and tired of criminals and the rights they have - as far as I am concerned anyone with a "illegal gun" should be treated as harshly as possible - minimum sentence 12yrs.
Even if a shoplifter gets caught with an illegal gun.
Anyone who commits a crime with a gun should get 24yrs minimum - no matter the crime - it all starts there.
And anyone who shoots someone even if not killed whilst committing a crime should get a minimum of 35yrs - murder - they get hung.
It unfortunately is the only way to start a clean-up process.
I have the world of respect for the SAPS and the job they do (OK there are also bad apples but they will and should be treated as above +5yrs)
I am sick of crime and every time even a shoplifter lifts something it affects me and you and we should be intolerant to any crime - it's the only way to "stop" it.
Also when issuing gun licenses the SAPS SHOULD:-
Take rounds and shells shot by that weapon and link to the license
Take full DNA of the owner of the weapon
This would assist in tracing any licensed criminals as it would also assist with tracing of stolen/recovered weapons especially those used illegally.
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Rosaudio
First Officer
Excellent post, I do agree with you.
Kornhub
Blackburn Fan
+1 for being a great man.Brave as hell!
QUOTE=DreamKing;6074410]common practice is to shoot the suspect with "no fatal injury". For example, hand, arm, leg, but definitely not head and heart.[/QUOTE]
You are living in a fantasy world, there is no such thing as common practice when it comes to people shooting at you, yes they could do this if they stood absolutely still, aimed carefully checked the wind and breathed properly as they fired (breathing affects your aim) Buy this time the suspect has killed you 10 times over.
We are taught to aim for the center mass ie chest as this offers the best chance of a hit, the head, arm, hand and leg are small targets which unlike in FPS games are actually hard to hit especially if the target is moving.
Have you ever fired a gun?
Have you ever been shot at?
Been shot at is no fun and it is not like the movies, your aim is to get out of it alive. You go for the quickest takedown to prevent the loss of your life and that of any bystanders, we have to be careful how and when we shoot, but the suspects don’t care they just blast in our direction regardless of who gets hit.
You seem overly worried about people whose aim is to kill policeman acting according to the law.
You are living in a fantasy world, there is no such thing as common practice when it comes to people shooting at you, yes they could do this if they stood absolutely still, aimed carefully checked the wind and breathed properly as they fired (breathing affects your aim) Buy this time the suspect has killed you 10 times over.
We are taught to aim for the center mass ie chest as this offers the best chance of a hit, the head, arm, hand and leg are small targets which unlike in FPS games are actually hard to hit especially if the target is moving.
Have you ever fired a gun?
Have you ever been shot at?
Been shot at is no fun and it is not like the movies, your aim is to get out of it alive. You go for the quickest takedown to prevent the loss of your life and that of any bystanders, we have to be careful how and when we shoot, but the suspects don’t care they just blast in our direction regardless of who gets hit.
You seem overly worried about people whose aim is to kill policeman acting according to the law.
Thanks, it wasnt really bravery just common sense
A question that is very often asked of reservists is why do you do it.
For the excitement, the adrenaline rush, maybe a bit of a hero complex, yes. But after the first couple of bad scenes the guys who stay do it because it needs to be done.
If not us then who, often in the past the only reason that our station could put out patrol vehicles was because the reservists were working.
If anybody is interested I am sure you could arrange a ride along at your local station or maybe even the flying squad just to see what it is like.
PS resevists are in now ways perfect and many use their position to commit crimes but the rest are there not for a salary but because they want to be. Personally I would rather have people like that out there. But I a just Biased
DigitalSoldier
Honorary Master
Agreed. I would think most of those killed are criminals and not innocent people.
@R/SGT, you got any stats for police officers killed during the same period ? Curious to see the no of police officers killed during that same time.
DigitalSoldier
Honorary Master
If you do the class A reservist training(afaik class A you also get to train with a gun etc), is it possible to later go from reservist to working as a full time police officer ? That way I can do the training for a reservist and if I decide I want to work as a cop, quit my day job and join the SAPS ?
No, common practice when you use lethal force is to drop the person you're shooting at as quickly and effectively as possible. As has been mentioned earlier, that's a double tap to center mass, more if needed. You don't mess around trying to shoot a gun out of somebodies hand when they're pointing it at you or somebody else, or try shooting them in the leg or whatever, that's just a good way to get yourself or a member of the public killed.
If you find yourself in a position where you *have* to shoot somebody, you do it properly.
Category A: Functional Policing
Reservists who are appointed in this category:
- Shall perform functions in all operational facets of policing
- May wear a uniform and carry a firearm (9mm, shotgun and R5)
- Will be trained in relevant aspects of functional policing
When they post vacancies for the saps colleges you can apply, been a reservist will give you a bit of an edge but by no means guarantees a place.
Been a reservist is a good way to see if you want to join the SAPS, you get see the reality of been a police officer in SA, this includes all the bull**** and crap that comes with the job.
Something else to consider is that once you have joined you don’t have to stay a regular patrol officer; there are plenty of divisions within the SAPS that you can apply to join once you have completed two years of service. The nice thing is that the SAPS will pay for your training and it is not limited to just enforcement but encompasses the support areas within the SAPS
DreamKing
Honorary Master
yes. just think why. or supporting "shoot-to-kill", don't be sorry when you are becoming to be one of the victims.
Rosaudio
First Officer
When I become a victim? The only way that would happen is if I was shooting at the police myself. I support shoot-to-kill, less criminals on the street and less chance of civilians getting hit by stray bullets fired from the criminal.
Also, please answer my question in the quoted post.
From 1 April 2009 to 31 March 2010, 107 members died while on duty
Here are list of all officers killed since 2004
http://www.saps.gov.za/saps_profile/honour/roll_honour.htm
An officer is killed about every 3 days