Report: Cop killings almost double

[DreamKing]

You are living in a fantasy world, there is no such thing as common practice when it comes to people shooting at you, yes they could do this if they stood absolutely still, aimed carefully checked the wind and breathed properly as they fired (breathing affects your aim) Buy this time the suspect has killed you 10 times over.

if you said SA = world, then yes I am living in a fantasy world.
I "suppose" every policeman should have examination before they can be trained.
I "suppose" every policeman should be fully trained before they can put them on the street.
I "suppose" the training should be dealing with most of the siturations may happen during on duty.
I "suppose" every policeman should be physically fit.
I "suppose" every policeman should know "laws".
I "suppose" every policeman should know how to read and write.
I "suppose" every policeman will be fired if they convicted.
I "suppose" every policeman should not be corrupted like a licensed criminal.
I "suppose" every policeman will be examined regularly. (including physical fitness and laws)
I "suppose" every policeman should know how to handle with their fire arms rather than use them for joking or to kill their family members.

want more?

We are taught to aim for the center mass ie chest as this offers the best chance of a hit, the head, arm, hand and leg are small targets which unlike in FPS games are actually hard to hit especially if the target is moving.

Have you ever fired a gun?

Have you ever been shot at?

so?
I never shot => I have no right to criticize how you should fire?
I am never a member of anc => I have no right to criticize anc?

is it a joke?

Been shot at is no fun and it is not like the movies, your aim is to get out of it alive. You go for the quickest takedown to prevent the loss of your life and that of any bystanders, we have to be careful how and when we shoot, but the suspects don’t care they just blast in our direction regardless of who gets hit.

so criminals are no respect the laws then SAPS should be the same also?
funny enough.

You seem overly worried about people whose aim is to kill policeman acting according to the law.

one life is more than enough.

 

[DreamKing]

When I become a victim? The only way that would happen is if I was shooting at the police myself. I support shoot-to-kill, less criminals on the street and less chance of civilians getting hit by stray bullets fired from the criminal.

Also, please answer my question in the quoted post.

it is easy to know why.
1) shoot the car to make it stops.
2) tell the suspect to surrender.
3) if the suspect surrenders, ask him to put the gun on floor and hands up.
if not, call backup and hold until he surrenders.
4) if the suspect try to run away, shoot his leg.
5) shoot warning shots if necessary.

clear?

 

[DigitalSoldier]

A bit redundant though just my opinion.

You do the training for Cat A and are then able to " perform functions in all operational facets of policing" but if you still want to become a full officer you need to do the 2 year training.

On another note most of the times these officers that are killed are normal people with families to support just doing their jobs! The murderers killed by cops are doing it because they want to and most of the time get away with it.

My dad used to work for SANAP(sp?) he was KIA and only recently after 22 years were one of the subjects captured, but only because of another murder he committed.

Category A: Functional Policing
Reservists who are appointed in this category:
- Shall perform functions in all operational facets of policing
- May wear a uniform and carry a firearm (9mm, shotgun and R5)
- Will be trained in relevant aspects of functional policing

When they post vacancies for the saps colleges you can apply, been a reservist will give you a bit of an edge but by no means guarantees a place.

Been a reservist is a good way to see if you want to join the SAPS, you get see the reality of been a police officer in SA, this includes all the bull**** and crap that comes with the job.

Something else to consider is that once you have joined you don’t have to stay a regular patrol officer; there are plenty of divisions within the SAPS that you can apply to join once you have completed two years of service. The nice thing is that the SAPS will pay for your training and it is not limited to just enforcement but encompasses the support areas within the SAPS

 

[R/SGT]

DreamKing;6082422]if you said SA = world, then yes I am living in a fantasy world.
I "suppose" every policeman should have examination before they can be trained.
I "suppose" every policeman should be fully trained before they can put them on the street.
I "suppose" the training should be dealing with most of the siturations may happen during on duty.
I "suppose" every policeman should be physically fit.
I "suppose" every policeman should know "laws".
I "suppose" every policeman should know how to read and write.
I "suppose" every policeman will be fired if they convicted.
I "suppose" every policeman should not be corrupted like a licensed criminal.
I "suppose" every policeman will be examined regularly. (including physical fitness and laws)
I "suppose" every policeman should know how to handle with their fire arms rather than use them for joking or to kill their family members.

want more?

This response has exactly what to do with my quoted reply?

so?
I never shot => I have no right to criticize how you should fire

I am never a member of anc => I have no right to criticize anc?

is it a joke?

You can critise all you want, but in truth you have no knowledge of what it is like to operate under those conditions, yet you go foth and proclaim THIS IS HOW IT SHOULD BE. You are what is know as an Armchair General

so criminals are no respect the laws then SAPS should be the same also?
funny enough.

If a member of the SAPS comits action that is deemed criminal then they should be prosecuted and it should be tougher than a normal prosecution.

one life is more than enough.

I agree taking a life is not something to be taken lightly, but I would rather take my attackers life than lose mine.

 

[DreamKing]

This response has exactly what to do with my quoted reply?

yes, the question is => the training and seletion and the quality of SAPS members are a joke. In my "fantasy world", I suppose every policeman should be honest, helpful, respect lives, trained properly, understand what he should / should not do ......... etc
in fact => NO.
if that is the quality of SAPS, it is much better to close it down. hiring my private security and bodyguards are much better than those "licensed criminals". (they rob you and kill you legally.)
Look at the other african countries' police forces are far more better than SAPS. damn it.

You can critise all you want, but in truth you have no knowledge of what it is like to operate under those conditions, yet you go foth and proclaim THIS IS HOW IT SHOULD BE. You are what is know as an Armchair General

do I need to know how the microwave works before I can comment the functions of that microwave?
as a "user", I don't need to know! I should care ONLY the OUTCOME, not how it works!!!!!

If a member of the SAPS comits action that is deemed criminal then they should be prosecuted and it should be tougher than a normal prosecution.


I agree taking a life is not something to be taken lightly, but I would rather take my attackers life than lose mine.

thank you

 

[R/SGT]

it is easy to know why.
1) shoot the car to make it stops.

I would rather not as there may be innocent people in the car, we usually force the car of the road with our vehicles

2) tell the suspect to surrender.

We do that, but with our weapons aimed at the vehicle

3) if the suspect surrenders, ask him to put the gun on floor and hands up.

No, suspect is to hold gun by the Barrel and drop it out the window and place hands on the roof of the vehicle, having the gun in the car is a temptation and complicates things

if not, call backup and hold until he surrenders.

Why call for back up, why would extra police make him act any differently?
If there are two officers then one would cover the vehicle (R5) while the second would advance from the back of the vehicle at an angle that denies the occupants a clear shot, once there the suspect/s have two choices comply or die. True extra officers would make it easier but that takes time which may embolden the suspects to try something stupid as they may think the cops are scared

4) if the suspect try to run away, shoot his leg.
5) shoot warning shots if necessary.

Wrong you give chase and tell him to stop, if he doesn’t you can fire warning shots (that just makes them run faster from my observations). Shoot his legs, right Id like to see you do that while chasing a suspect

Unfortunately you are not allowed to shoot him unless he offers an immediate danger to your self or the surrounding community.

You had better be Damm sure that you can prove it; otherwise you will be in for a world of Hurt

Seriously where do you come up with these glib comments of shoot to wound or shoot in the arm, leg etc?

A bullet wound anywhere on the body can be fatal; you can easily hit the femoral artery in the leg in which case he will be dead within minutes, the same goes for the arm, the suspect could also died from shock induced by the wound. The human body is relatively fragile and any external trauma can easily cause death.

Also depending on the type of round (copper jacket you may live, Hollow point cheers to a limb or your life) and the ballistic trajectory of the round (if it is tumbling all bets are off as it will ricochet within the body and shred anything in its path)

Again the viewpoint of an Armchair General

 

[R/SGT]

yes, the question is => the training and seletion and the quality of SAPS members are a joke. In my "fantasy world", I suppose every policeman should be honest, helpful, respect lives, trained properly, understand what he should / should not do ......... etc
in fact => NO.

Generalistions are really sad

Does this apply to every single member of the SAPS?
I don’t think so and I know enough policemen and women to know that this statement is false

if that is the quality of SAPS, it is much better to close it down. hiring my private security and bodyguards are much better than those "licensed criminals". (they rob you and kill you legally.)

What about the people who cant hire private security or bodyguards

Look at the other african countries' police forces are far more better than SAPS. damn it.

Please type in english

do I need to know how the microwave works before I can comment the functions of that microwave?
as a "user", I don't need to know! I should care ONLY the OUTCOME, not how it works!!!!!

For a microwave yes, for a gun battle no. A microwave only works within a specific narrow set of parameters, whereas in a gun battle there are none and the variable are endless

Gun battle, criminals take on police legal performing their duty as a result said criminals are killed. This is a good outcome especial if no police or innocent bystanders are killed

 

[DreamKing]

pretty much the same as what I said, thank you.

Unfortunately you are not allowed to shoot him unless he offers an immediate danger to your self or the surrounding community.

it is exactly what I want to say to Rosaudio

Seriously where do you come up with these glib comments of shoot to wound or shoot in the arm, leg etc?

A bullet wound anywhere on the body can be fatal; you can easily hit the femoral artery in the leg in which case he will be dead within minutes, the same goes for the arm, the suspect could also died from shock induced by the wound. The human body is relatively fragile and any external trauma can easily cause death.

true. but the suspect will not die instantly.

Again the viewpoint of an Armchair General

are you talking about general cele?

 

[DreamKing]

Generalistions are really sad

Does this apply to every single member of the SAPS?
I don’t think so and I know enough policemen and women to know that this statement is false

..................

What about the people who cant hire private security or bodyguards

thanks to anc

Please type in english

you know what I mean, answer the question...... please
=> are the other african counties have better police forces than South Africa?
Yes / No? .......
we know the answer.

For a microwave yes, for a gun battle no. A microwave only works within a specific narrow set of parameters, whereas in a gun battle there are none and the variable are endless

Gun battle, criminals take on police legal performing their duty as a result said criminals are killed. This is a good outcome especial if no police or innocent bystanders are killed

same as above =>
.............
please! get to know EVERYTHING how it works before you are going to use it.

Fail is fail, you don't need to put so much excuses for your failure.
Remeber, TAXPAYERS are paying your salary!!!

Next time, a cook will come out shout at me when I make a complaint, "don't complain too much, you know nothing about cooking, it is so complicated to make a dish. It has too many different parameters, variable are endless."

 

[DreamKing]

@mod

could we have a poll here?

"Do you think SAPS is useless / corrupt / brutality?"

 

[shaunvw]

I microwave doesn't endanger your life, so how can that in any way be related to a police shoot out.
The same goes for the cook story you gave.

I think DreamKing lives in his own little dream world.

 

[Rosaudio]

it is easy to know why.
1) shoot the car to make it stops. Shoot the car? lol, the car is the threat now? Most of the time shooting the car won't make the suspect change his mind.
2) tell the suspect to surrender. Good luck trying to get that message across while the suspect is trying to kill you in a firefight.
3) if the suspect surrenders, ask him to put the gun on floor and hands up.
if not, call backup and hold until he surrenders. That's exactly what the police do already. They are not going to shoot someone who is surrendering.
4) if the suspect try to run away, shoot his leg. and the legs are the things that carry the gun? If you are on the ground with your legs shot, you can still kill the police. You are not meant to shoot someone who is running anyway, you either run after him (although this is always dangerous if they are armed), or wait for the canine unit to bring a dog
5) shoot warning shots if necessary. wtf are warning shots going to do? If you are shooting at the police obviously you dont give a **** about your life or the lives of others.

clear?

You should probably see things from the perspective of the cops and all innocent people, rather than the perspective of the criminal.

To me it looks like you are a criminal yourself or have been shot by the police before.

 

[DreamKing]

I microwave doesn't endanger your life, so how can that in any way be related to a police shoot out.
The same goes for the cook story you gave.

I think DreamKing lives in his own little dream world.

the principle is the same.

we (the users) only concern about the outcome. how to make it works it is not the users businesses. it is the responsibility of the service provider.
Get it or not?

 

[DreamKing]

You should probably see things from the perspective of the cops and all innocent people, rather than the perspective of the criminal.

To me it looks like you are a criminal yourself or have been shot by the police before.

I think you are much better to read the posts above.
I don't want to repeat and repeat.

edit: are you commenting about the video?

 

[Rosaudio]

@mod

could we have a poll here?

"Do you think SAPS is useless / corrupt / brutality?"

Why the hell would we need a poll for that?

Any person who uses common sense would know the police are an asset to the country. What you see on the news every night does not reflect reality. Obviously when a cop is being corrupt or shooting people wrongfully, that is going to make the news. What happened to all the stories of cops making arrests, arresting people offering bribes? Nope, people don't want to see that.

You remove the police from this country for a year, and you just see what happens.

I microwave doesn't endanger your life, so how can that in any way be related to a police shoot out.
The same goes for the cook story you gave.

I think DreamKing lives in his own little dream world.

Indeed he does.

 

[DreamKing]

What you see on the news every night does not reflect reality.

fair enough

I surrender.

 

[Rosaudio]

it is exactly what I want to say to Rosaudio

No you're not, you are saying the police shouldn't defend themselves in a situation like that, but rather try to arrest the armed threat and that if they kill the threat, they are failure even though their own lives were in danger.

I think you are much better to read the posts above.
I don't want to repeat and repeat.

edit: are you commenting about the video?

All I see here is rubbish spewed by you, don't want that recycled do we.

Commenting about the police being shot at in general, and the use use deadly force to protect themselves and civilians.

 

[Kornhub]

Why the hell would we need a poll for that?


You remove the police from this country for a year, and you just see what happens.

.

A 2nd ANC?

 

[Sherbang]

I wonder how many cops are killed in this country every year.
It's a dangerous job.
These stats about cops killing people would be a lot more meaningful if we actually knew how many were murders, how many were in self-defense, how many were accidental but justified, how many were on the job, off the job, due to ptsd, etc.
I don't envy them at all.

 

[DreamKing]

No you're not, you are saying the police shouldn't defend themselves in a situation like that, but rather try to arrest the armed threat and that if they kill the threat, they are failure even though their own lives were in danger.


All I see here is rubbish spewed by you, don't want that recycled do we.

Commenting about the police being shot at in general, and the use use deadly force to protect themselves and civilians.

yes, you win, ok?
[-]you don't read ......... so, what I can do? [/-]

yes, I am rubbish, you are hero. SAPS is the best, anc is the best cele is the best. All the accusations from the oppositions are rubbish.
happy?