[Resolved] - Cool Ideas billing screw-up - Back charging me

[MENTION=61586]ambroseg1[/MENTION] - The reason I didn't contact them privately first is they had already contacted me privately and so there were 2 options for me:

1. Agree to what's there and then do the payments as required
2. Ask people what they would do if this happens.

The reason I posted the message sent to me is that people get to read exactly what I read in case I misinterpreted it or some troll suddenly creeps out of the wood work. And based on what they read, they can then tell me what they think about it.

Obviously next time I'll PM [MENTION=394133]PBCool[/MENTION] first, it was handled well.
 
[MENTION=61586]ambroseg1[/MENTION] - The reason I didn't contact them privately first is they had already contacted me privately and so there were 2 options for me:

1. Agree to what's there and then do the payments as required
2. Ask people what they would do if this happens.

The reason I posted the message sent to me is that people get to read exactly what I read in case I misinterpreted it or some troll suddenly creeps out of the wood work. And based on what they read, they can then tell me what they think about it.

Obviously next time I'll PM [MENTION=394133]PBCool[/MENTION] first, it was handled well.

Understood. Point I was making was, even if you were unsure of what was sent to you in terms of interpretation, you should first contact the company and have them sort it out. They contacted you, so you actually had 3 options. You could have responded by querying the bill? Reason I say this, I find companies that only respond and sort stuff out when publicly outed to be very fishy, especially when first given an opportunity to sort it out, out of the public eye.
 
[MENTION=61586]ambroseg1[/MENTION] - The reason I didn't contact them privately first is they had already contacted me privately and so there were 2 options for me:

1. Agree to what's there and then do the payments as required
2. Ask people what they would do if this happens.

The reason I posted the message sent to me is that people get to read exactly what I read in case I misinterpreted it or some troll suddenly creeps out of the wood work. And based on what they read, they can then tell me what they think about it.

Obviously next time I'll PM [MENTION=394133]PBCool[/MENTION] first, it was handled well.
So they wrote off the "back charges"?
 
[MENTION=34685]airborne[/MENTION] - Yep. I don't have to pay a dime:)

I figured out same. In any case, aside from those who came to lay their egg about morals here, the thread does show that CI is not failing in the customer service department.
 
Totally unacceptable. Completely unethical. Never mind not even legal. Sounds like total amateur hour over there. Must be running some kind of Mickey Mouse operation if they even dare to dream for one moment that is going to fly.

Besides, even if (hypothetically) one did suspect something, any concerns would be quickly laid to rest by logging into the service providers portal and seeing that their bill matches their package selection. Duh.

Agreed. I have no doubt that those that judged him do not understand ethics. They are probably the types that give you a quote and then change the price after doing the job :D

Right then, moving along.
 
I'm looking at changing my package, and I've been looking for the correct procedure. There doesn't seem to be much clearly defined. Do I need to change at Vumatel or just open a ticket with Cool Ideas? Perhaps this can help save some googling for the next guy.
[MENTION=394133]PBCool[/MENTION]?
 
Not one speed test in 6 months? A likely story.
 
I am a non techie, still don't buy it.

Well, obviously you're not as "non-techie" as you think you are ;)
As I've mentioned before, I use the term "techie" very loosely.

Give your elderly parents or grandma -the folks who only check emails and maybe the occasional google search- a computer and see if they ever do a speedtest.
I'm going to bet that they don't ;)
 
Well, obviously you're not as "non-techie" as you think you are ;)
As I've mentioned before, I use the term "techie" very loosely.

Give your elderly parents or grandma -the folks who only check emails and maybe the occasional google search- a computer and see if they ever do a speedtest.
I'm going to bet that they don't ;)
I assume most of that mentioned don't frequent this site or forum, if you do the non techie excuse doesn't fly, OP managed to start a thread to vilify CI but couldn't run a speed test? I do not buy it.
 
I assume most of that mentioned don't frequent this site or forum, if you do the non techie excuse doesn't fly, OP managed to start a thread to vilify CI but couldn't run a speed test? I do not buy it.

Yeah, they wouldn't come onto the forum.
(They could possibly find it via a google search, but definitely wouldn't start a thread.)

That said, if you check out the original post, going from 100mbps to 20mbps and trying to gauge the speed of your line by watching netflix is going to leave you with pretty much nothing on whether there's a difference.

At the end of the day, my (or your) opinion won't change what the OP claims.
You might not buy it, but I can totally see how it could happen.

Cool Ideas did the right thing by resolving the issue as they have.
When (if!) fiber ever comes to my neighborhood, I'd definitely want to use them, knowing that they'd give me the benefit of the doubt if shlt like this ever happened to me.
That's good customer service, right there.

EDIT: And sure they might've lost a few bucks right now, but they would probably gain more customers after reading something like this. It's better for them in the end, IMO.
 
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I'm looking at changing my package, and I've been looking for the correct procedure. There doesn't seem to be much clearly defined. Do I need to change at Vumatel or just open a ticket with Cool Ideas? Perhaps this can help save some googling for the next guy.
[MENTION=394133]PBCool[/MENTION]?
Vumatel Trenched or Aerial? If Trenched just go to https://shop.vumatel.co.za login and order the required package we will get the notice and adjust billing. If aerial drop a mail to [email protected]
 
My guess is it mostly people who are having problems with their connection, that bother with speedtests.
So you do a downgrade but don't check the speed what if they downgraded to lower than what he was paying? That's why I don't buy it.
 
So you do a downgrade but don't check the speed what if they downgraded to lower than what he was paying? That's why I don't buy it.
What's wrong with assuming good faith? The portal showed OP was on 20/2, and he might well have noticed if the speed had been dropped to 4/1
 
My guess is it mostly people who are having problems with their connection, that bother with speedtests.
That's a good point, I haven't checked my speed for many months and then I started getting connection issues the last week and I did a few speed tests, as long as what I normally use the Internet for works, streaming video/some downloads etc, I don't have any need to know what my potential max line speeds are.
 
I assume most of that mentioned don't frequent this site or forum, if you do the non techie excuse doesn't fly, OP managed to start a thread to vilify CI but couldn't run a speed test? I do not buy it.

// This response is a bit long

[MENTION=517725]EADC[/MENTION] - I noticed you said you are not a techie. If my understanding of what techie is, then I must be one. I'm a web developer, I write javascript at work. I'm also comfortable with Golang and ruby(and PHP like everyone else) and I don't do speed tests. Just because some people do it, it does not necessarily mean we all do it.

Why do I say this? When I was at Tuks, I didn't need to do speed tests, I randomly did for no good reason but the internet was good so whenever I used the internet, I didn't bother with speed tests. When I started working, I didn't jump into getting an internet connection, I wanted to have Fibre which I eventually did last year.

Before that I would just use my phone and start tethering. If there was any videos I wanted to watch I would just download them at work. I used and still use Afrihost for my mobile data. For a long time 10 gig was fine. When you are tethering and the speed is ****, there is no point in doing a speed test as you can't really complain. I sometimes downloaded anime where an episode was like 250mb and it would take 10 minutes, because its mobile, I would just wait for it (NO SPEED TEST). It's not always my speed but the other website that's slowing things down is how I used to see it.

Eventually I was spending around R600 for 10gig and it was pretty clear I need to 1) Jump on to the RAIN network or 2) Get fibre with "unlimited" data. I moved to a new place and the first thing I did was get fibre and its been great. When I first got it, I did speed tests because I was on a 100/100 package so I wanted to make sure that I was getting what I paid for.

After 3 months I realized that I was paying way more that I was using. I was watching a lot of streams on the 100/100 package and not uploading much so I decided it would be a good idea to downgrade and see if my videos degrade. From what I read 13mbps is all you need to stream a 4k video. So downgrading to 20/2 made sense. I didn't do a speed test after the downgrade. Even as I write this, [MENTION=394133]PBCool[/MENTION] got it sorted and I still didn't do a speed test to see if I'm really on 20/2 this time around(might do the damn speed test then).

But like someone said said, I'm one of those people that don't do speed test as long as my internet is working and whatever I'm watching doesn't keep buffering. If I was on a 200/200 maybe I would speed test often but even on the 100/100 I did the speed test only that first week if I'm not mistaken.

When my internet is slow I:
1. Close all unused browser tabs and apps as I assume my CPU is overloaded somehow(50 open tabs in a window is normal for me)
2. Check if there might be any background process using the network (dropbox and google drive. etc)
3. Restart my Laptop in case the closing of apps didn't work
4. Restart my WIFI router
5. Restart the CPE box

Doing speed tests is not a habit for me and the internet is always working to my liking so I don't see it becoming a habit. I don't do torrents or download large files. I don't see myself downloading 50 gig files, the most I'll do is 10 gig and probably once in a month. I got a email from CISP about really being on 20/2 this time but guess what, there is no difference in speed for my use.

For some of you speed tests are normal, for someone like me their not. I'll do them the day my internet is super slow after the steps I mentioned above fail.

Aside: You know on windows there is that option where you "right click" and the popup has a "Refresh" option you can click(Don't know if its still there)? Speed tests are the internet version of that. Lol. I'm not one that clicks refresh 25 times before continuing with some other task.
 
I remember the time I did run the speed tests, I complained about how it was saying I'm on 80/80 and I was paying for a 100/100. They told me that it could be my wifi or whatever, if I connected directly to the CPE box not using WIFI, I would probably get 100/100. Although it doesn't make sense now that I think about it.

A day or two later I ran it again and it was in the upper 90 for both up and down. After that, I stopped running speed tests. I chose CISP because I saw good reviews online and my experience has been good. The email I posted was the oddest thing I received. I guess I trust them enough to not micro-check everything they do. I only check my monthly statements:)
 
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