Retired worker fights eviction from farm

[Seriously]

And?

Part of his payment was board and food. These farm workers don't have pension fund schemes... It's the duty of the farmer to look after them on retirement. It's not just courtesy it's human... Imagine you are being told by your employer after working for them for 27 years where they provided you with food, money and housing but no pension. Thank you for your service, now fark off.

Iscor told be to fark off when I resigned after many years service and no pension for life. The meager pension payout as fee that could not even buy me a car.

 

[Pitbull]

Iscor told be to fark off when I resigned after many years service and no pension for life. I meager pension payout as fee that could not even buy me a car.

You had the option to buy these houses for next to fark all though. My dad also worked for Iscor, when they went tits up he moved to PPC. He had Iscor pension and also when they went tits up he had a choice to buy the Iscor house he was in at the time. He declined but did buy a house through their Finance section I think Iemas? something or another.

If you worked for Iscor with no Pension you were a contractor then?

 

[daveza]

Say this farmer sells his entire farm - is the purchaser legally obliged to allow the previously employed to live on it ?

 

[Seriously]

Say this farmer sells his entire farm - is the purchaser legally obliged to allow the previously employed to live on it ?

Do not ask "Intelligent" questions to the "appeased" with and agenda.

 

[Pitbull]

Say this farmer sells his entire farm - is the purchaser legally obliged to allow the previously employed to live on it ?

We would make sure to sub divide their portion before selling most definitely. They gave their lives to our family. There would be no objection to that ever.

Do not ask "Intelligent" questions to the "appeased" with and agenda.

What is your angle here?

 

[Hemps]

So, let him have a little bit of the land for him and his children. If he was smart he would try empower those people as much as possible. We did that and now we have super loyal staff. If a taxi comes onto our property our staff chase it away. They look after the land as well. We also allow our staff to run their cattle with ours. So they get inoculated and treated. Doing this means the staff look after our cattle super well We dont really have stock theft. If totsis come onto our farm, they deal with them, not us.

I dont know the particulars for this case so I dont wanna comment on if this guy is good or bad, but I do know from experience that working and enabling your staff produces wonderful results.

Our staff are so loyal, that during Apartheid, when the white men were away, the black men used to sleep at the doors to the farm houses with firearms to protect the white woman inside. Your staff are a part of your farm and community. You shouldnt just drop them.

Thats great and if possible must be implemented BUT

My father in law looks after his employees, he built them houses (people stop at the farm coming from the main road thinking these are B&B's), water, electricity, solar heating, milk, cattle are allowed to roam on the farm, they get dropped off every weekend in town and collected.

This year, 1 employee stole a bakkie for a jaunt and rolled it, write off.
1 employee was caught stealing sheep , he confessed to stealing over 7 sheep this year.
4 employees where caught in farmers bakkie stealing 20 pockets of cement from road works, vehicle impounded with farmers lick and feed confiscated.

These are employees that have made their way up to farm managers and been with said farmer for over 10years.

 

[daveza]

They gave their lives to our family.

No he didn't, he worked for the farmer.

Why is working on a farm for 27 years any different to working for a company for 27 years ?

If I worked in the hospitality industry for 27 years would I expect the Protea Group to provide accommodation for me and my family when I retire ?

 

[Seriously]

Thats great and if possible must be implemented BUT

My father in law looks after his employees, he built them houses (people stop at the farm coming from the main road thinking these are B&B's), water, electricity, solar heating, milk, cattle are allowed to roam on the farm, they get dropped off every weekend in town and collected.

This year, 1 employee stole a bakkie for a jaunt and rolled it, write off.
1 employee was caught stealing sheep , he confessed to stealing over 7 sheep this year.
4 employees where caught in farmers bakkie stealing 20 pockets of cement from road works, vehicle impounded with farmers lick and feed confiscated.

These are employees that have made their way up to farm managers and been with said farmer for over 10years.

They probably were not paid enough by the "slave labour" employer else this would never have happened.

 

[Pitbull]

No he didn't, he worked for the farmer.

Why is working on a farm for 27 years any different to working for a company for 27 years ?

If I worked in the hospitality industry for 27 years would I expect the Protea Group to provide accommodation for me and my family when I retire ?

So you are saying your circumstances and that of the worker is the same?

Come on, man. Do you or your father even own a farm? You have no idea how dependant we are on these farm workers, they are like family. They look after the farm since we all have day jobs. They run all of it apart from the financial side of it and the selling of the live stock. They make sure, they are fed, inoculated, vets called when needed. Do maintenance on the buildings, electrical, plumbing everything. We can sit here in Pretoria or where ever knowing that farm is in safe hands. We owe them more than just a dignified retirement tbh.

I doubt you'll understand it thought. Trying to make your life the same as the one they are living. I find it highly uninformative and disrespectful to these workers.

 

[Seriously]

No he didn't, he worked for the farmer.

Why is working on a farm for 27 years any different to working for a company for 27 years ?

If I worked in the hospitality industry for 27 years would I expect the Protea Group to provide accommodation for me and my family when I retire ?

The farmer is perceived as a racist and slave labour employer utilising stolen land, that is different for the Protea group mentioned.

 

[Pitbull]

Thats great and if possible must be implemented BUT

My father in law looks after his employees, he built them houses (people stop at the farm coming from the main road thinking these are B&B's), water, electricity, solar heating, milk, cattle are allowed to roam on the farm, they get dropped off every weekend in town and collected.

This year, 1 employee stole a bakkie for a jaunt and rolled it, write off.
1 employee was caught stealing sheep , he confessed to stealing over 7 sheep this year.
4 employees where caught in farmers bakkie stealing 20 pockets of cement from road works, vehicle impounded with farmers lick and feed confiscated.

These are employees that have made their way up to farm managers and been with said farmer for over 10years.

We have also not always employed the cream of the crop and you're bound to encounter problems like this. We've had drunkards, pot heads, thieves and the likes. Given they didn't last long as they loyal employees made sure these were brought to our attention and dealt with quickly. Just like any type of business you never know what you're employing and hope for the best. But you get the flip side of the coin too. You employ youngsters by the begging from your current employees and these kids can't even read, or drive a tractor. But they are the most loyal and hard working people you have ever seen. We took a kid in (nephew) of one of the women working in the 3 houses. The nephew spent 2 years in jail for theft. He was caught shop lifting to feed the family. (Dad died of Aids). He sends each and every cent he gets from the farm back home to his sister and mother. I have never needed to ask him twice to do something or never had to redo a job as it wasn't done right the first time.

 

[daveza]

I doubt you'll understand it thought. Trying to make your life the same as the one they are living. I find it highly uninformative and disrespectful to these workers.

Yup, I don't understand it.

How ever you frame it, the farm employees were just that - employees, with a job they get paid to do.

 

[Pitbull]

Yup, I don't understand it.

How ever you frame it, the farm employees were just that - employees, with a job they get paid to do.

You're entitled to your view no matter how wrong it is I suppose.

 

[daveza]

You're entitled to your view no matter how wrong it is I suppose.

Quite happy with agree to disagree.

Perhaps the strong smell of entitlement is what irks me about this.

 

[bgotapen]

I am sorry 23 children? What must that cost to maintain? Just the water bill for them would bankrupt me...

So this guy decides to have 23 children and not to just get 2 kids and buy himself a palace? Some zumanomics at work here!

 

[Mila]

so we need to give everybody a piece of land after their employment term... I would not mind a piece of land in Sandton.

This is why farmers, mines and several other industries doesn't give people access to accommodation on their properties anymore. It is being exploited.

 

[Mila]

I am sorry 23 children? What must that cost to maintain? Just the water bill for them would bankrupt me...

So this guy decides to have 23 children and not to just get 2 kids and buy himself a palace? Some zumanomics at work here!

You understand why he is demanding free housing and could never afford to go somewhere else..
And now he is making the farmer the bad guy, he should have used a condom.

It's the thing in his pants that are the issue not the farmer.
You are paid to work. You don't take your company perks with you when you retire. You fek off with that you have saved up for and a cheap watch. Its the next guy's "perk" when he takes over from you.

 

[rza]

We have staff living on our farms. Its the same families that have lived there since the late 1800`s. I could never imagine chasing one of them off the land. They have their own village and everything.

That's my point really. A farm is different from any other business because of the history and interests of the workers and their families in the farms. You shouldn't (although you can) evict a farm worker who was born, bred and worked in the farm in the whole lives. It's cruel, although the farm owner has a right to. Farmers need to show restraint and refrain from evicting people under these circumstances.

 

[rza]

This is disgusting

Our loyal workers have living rights on the farm. Our farm manager has been working for the family over 30 years. 2 of his sons also work there and they have been there about 20 years. They will never be asked to leave the farm, they have spent just about their whole lives there serving the family's interest.

I'm dumbstruck. He served them for 27 years and they want to kick him out?

Seconded.

 

[rza]

So, let him have a little bit of the land for him and his children. If he was smart he would try empower those people as much as possible. We did that and now we have super loyal staff. If a taxi comes onto our property our staff chase it away. They look after the land as well. We also allow our staff to run their cattle with ours. So they get inoculated and treated. Doing this means the staff look after our cattle super well We dont really have stock theft. If totsis come onto our farm, they deal with them, not us. I dont know the particulars for this case so I dont wanna comment on if this guy is good or bad, but I do know from experience that working and enabling your staff produces wonderful results.

Our staff are so loyal, that during Apartheid, when the white men were away, the black men used to sleep at the doors to the farm houses with firearms to protect the white woman inside. Your staff are a part of your farm and community. You shouldnt just drop them.

This is why I get surprised with farm attacks. In my opinion, most farm attacks can only be committed by those who used to live in the farm and know it. Good farmers will "never" get attacked in their farms since their farm workers are there to protect them.

Is it me or farmers used to treat their farm workers better in the apartheid days?