RICA - contract holders?

ocleroux said:
I would not accept this. ID docs are only to be accepted in the issuing country. It is not meant for international purposes. Neither are we interested in knowing where you live in your home country...we want to know where you are living in South Africa. Passport and proof of South African address please.
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I use two RICA systems here and both have:

Address Line 1
Address Line 2
Suburb
Postal Code
Country

as entry fields.

Without this, it would not be possible to RICA say a customer who is touring in SA and using only camp site for example. I would agree that it would not be acceptable for a permanent resident to use this facility. However, the system does accept UK addresses without any spaces in the UK postcode!


As a footnote:

All European driving licences (that contain a photograph) are valid in South Africa. All European Amateur Radio Licences are also valid in South Africa.
 
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JimM said:
I use two RICA systems here and both have:

Address Line 1
Address Line 2
Suburb
Postal Code
Country

as entry fields.

Without this, it would not be possible to RICA say a customer who is touring in SA and using only camp site for example. I would agree that it would not be acceptable for a permanent resident to use this facility. However, the system does accept UK addresses without any spaces in the UK postcode!
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I would say this is a way of jippoing the system. The country field is merely to stipulate the persons country of origin...not where he lives. A international address would useless for the purposes for which RICA's was brought into law in the first place. But if you are happy doing that then that is up to you. :-)
 
ocleroux said:
I would say this is a way of jippoing the system. The country field is merely to stipulate the persons country of origin...not where he lives. A international address would useless for the purposes for which RICA's was brought into law in the first place. But if you are happy doing that then that is up to you. :-)
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I did actually try to RICA a temporary resident (now permanent) with his SA proof of address and UK set and both systems threw up an error. It is primarily for short term temporary residents in South Africa. I've only done a few via the UK address route and they were all genuine holidaymakers using camp sites.
 
JimM said:
I've only done a few via the UK address route and they were all genuine holidaymakers using camp sites.
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Then I suggest asking a South African friend/relative to register the sim under their name for you to use. If you dont have any friends here....then make some. We are a friendly nation and love having international friends :-)
 
...aTrueASL said:
You do know that we have all been through this before? Remember FICA (banks)?
The government did put a fine in place for the networks for each person not RICA'd so, there was no way that the networks wouldn't comply.
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If people didn't register then VC et al would have to suspend their accounts and would not be able to bill them. Hence the govt would not get tax money from VAT and taxes on profit from VC et al. Then the govt would relent because it would cost them too much and everyone would be p--ed off and trust me - the govt would relent. VC et al would have to shut down operations and ministers cell phones would stop working. This law would be scrapped very quickly.
 
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PeterCH said:
If people didn't register then VC et al would have to suspend their accounts and would not be able to bill them.
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I disagree. The service providers would have to block their SIM cards, but the contract is still valid, and you will still have to pay. The only potential loss of earnings will be usage costs.
 
JimM said:
I use two RICA systems here and both have:

Address Line 1
Address Line 2
Suburb
Postal Code
Country

as entry fields.

Without this, it would not be possible to RICA say a customer who is touring in SA and using only camp site for example. I would agree that it would not be acceptable for a permanent resident to use this facility. However, the system does accept UK addresses without any spaces in the UK postcode!


As a footnote:

All European driving licences (that contain a photograph) are valid in South Africa. All European Amateur Radio Licences are also valid in South Africa.
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Are you around the CT area? I'd rather RICA by going to a place once than have to go to 8 places so I can create some sort of 'validity' that I am me indeed. P.S. I can't create 'mail trail' that easily since technically I don't have an income in this country (world of research = complicated) and I don't really have anything here in my name except for a bank account (temporary in a way). Also, 2 RICA systems, I thought they would have had 1 standardized one, what's the diff?
 
Colin62 said:
I disagree. The service providers would have to block their SIM cards, but the contract is still valid, and you will still have to pay. The only potential loss of earnings will be usage costs.
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I beg to differ. How can it be legal to charge for a non functional service? Where did I sign that I agreed to that ?

My argument is that they have all these details they want AGAIN already. Since it’s contract and I don’t buy airtime on a cash basis, they have my bank account too. I have just gone through all this with said bank so it stands to reason I am who I am.

So what is the real motive behind this BS?
 
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Guys....I dont mean to sound rude or anything....but you can jump up and down as much as you want here...but RICA has now been in place since last year June about and the deadline is 31st Dec 2010. It is law and the Networks will be fined if a line is found active and not RICA'd. Spare yourself a lot of agro and just go do it now. I am sure there is going to be a lot of people that left it to the last minute and then its going to be a real pain to register. Take your docs with you....once you get to a consultant in a Vodashop it takes like 5 minutes to do and then its finished and klaar.
 
Ivork said:
I beg to differ. How can it be legal to charge for a non functional service? Where did I sign that I agreed to that ?
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Obligatory car analogy:

You finance a car through your bank, after a year your driver's license is suspended for driving under the influence.
Do you think you shouldn't have to continue paying the bank because you didn't obey the law?
 
ginggs said:
Obligatory car analogy:

You finance a car through your bank, after a year your driver's license is suspended for driving under the influence.
Do you think you shouldn't have to continue paying the bank because you didn't obey the law?
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Yes but I would still have the car - it's not quite the same.

If I'm in breach of any wrong doing they can suspend or cancel the service- yes.......but still charge people for it, i don't think so.
 
Ivork said:
Yes but I would still have the car - it's not quite the same.

If I'm in breach of any wrong doing they can suspend or cancel the service- yes.......but still charge people for it, i don't think so.
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Well, not doing RICA means you're breaching the country's laws. Vodacom will happily RICA you, and they will also continue to provide your service if you are RICAed, but they will cut you off if you don't, and you *will* be liable for the rest of your contract. But there's no need to believe me, why don't you stick your head in the sand and let it happen? Then you can come back on here and start a "Poor, poor pitiful me" thread about how you were robbed and how unfair Vodacom is.
 
Colin62 said:
Well, not doing RICA means you're breaching the country's laws. Vodacom will happily RICA you, and they will also continue to provide your service if you are RICAed, but they will cut you off if you don't, and you *will* be liable for the rest of your contract. But there's no need to believe me, why don't you stick your head in the sand and let it happen? Then you can come back on here and start a "Poor, poor pitiful me" thread about how you were robbed and how unfair Vodacom is.
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That doesn't sound right to me. how can you be forced to pay for a service you not receiving. RICA wasn't part of the original agreement between me and Vodacom. Anyway Im RICAed, just saying!
Think it's all waist of time and Money.
 
ocleroux said:
Guys....I dont mean to sound rude or anything....but you can jump up and down as much as you want here...but RICA has now been in place since last year June about and the deadline is 31st Dec 2010. It is law and the Networks will be fined if a line is found active and not RICA'd. Spare yourself a lot of agro and just go do it now. I am sure there is going to be a lot of people that left it to the last minute and then its going to be a real pain to register. Take your docs with you....once you get to a consultant in a Vodashop it takes like 5 minutes to do and then its finished and klaar.
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What about my query regarding the lease agreement as proof of residence?
I'm happy to do it when I have a moment, but am in a tricky situation in that my officially-listed residence for most things is in Johannesburg (which I prefer and aim to keep that way as I don't want to go through the hassle of changing it everywhere whenever I move around here), and I receive no mail to the physical address in CT. Then again, I receive no mail at the physical address in Jhb. Post boxes all the way.
I refuse to provide anyone with a copy of the full lease, as I don't see why they need it.

And what about the fact that my details as listed with Vodacom have a different residential address to the one I'd be providing here. Will that be problematic? Or do I just hand over the details and smile at the rep and it's done?
 
AvatarS said:
Or do I just hand over the details and smile at the rep and it's done?
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Pretty much. And they dont keep the docs. They just verify it and then hand it back to you. As long as the lease agreement has your name and ID number on it, and its signed etc...then it will be alright. As long as it is one of your addresses so that the polices can trace ya.
 
How can I RICA an Amazon Kindle? I know the IMEI number but not the number of the SIM.
 
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