RIP Charlie Kirk

vigras rojara said:
Enjoy your bring and braai, although I doubt the CI movement has the competence to even arrange one of those, based on their performance to date.

Perhaps Phil MaPockets can appeal to Trump for some wors.
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Let me guess... you're not hostile to the right to Freedom of Association or self-determination or independence...You're...... 'just lacking belief in it'....

Riiiiiigghhht

Who do you think you're kidding?
 
Grant said:
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Independence has to be sustained.

It's not a privilege doled out by superiors. You have to fight to keep it... whether through open debate, or failing that, repeated secession.

The American revolution should have been followed immediately by a referendum so that all red-coat loyalists were stripped of the capacity to immediately commence undermining the just-freed people.

It didn't... and as a result you had the culmination of such undermining of liberty, in the form of the treasonous war waged by the loyalists/protectionists from 1860-1864.

The declaration of 1776 lasted 80 years. It's been downhill ever since - effectively a coerced union - and we are now witnessing the final days of the empire that treasonous attack on FoA resulted in.
 
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lexity said:
Let me guess... you're not hostile to the right to Freedom of Association or self-determination or independence...You're...... 'just lacking belief in it'....

Riiiiiigghhht

Who do you think you're kidding?
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I am merely amused by the utter incompetence combined with the never ending optimism of the CI movement.

It's like kids playing in a sand pit pretending to be kings or something.
 
vigras rojara said:
I am merely amused by the utter incompetence combined with the never ending optimism of the CI movement.

It's like kids playing in a sand pit pretending to be kings or something.
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The ability to distinguish mere amusement from cynicism, is a lot easier than you credit most people for.
 
Vrotappel said:
Face it. The hate filled left created this murder. No running away or deflecting from it. Go do some introspection. Look at the mirror and see what you have become.
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Never mind that people are responsible for their own actions and can not blame others for their crimes, I condemn this murder, as any other one ( do I look like a person who enjoys people getting shot?).

And I think that social media rhetoric has a lot to do with all the violence out there, YOU being a prime example here, with a few others spewing hate and calling names.

Now if you think you are not a hypocrite, why don't you post the same for those crimes below? (e.g 'it's the hate filled right fault')

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lexity said:
The ability to distinguish mere amusement from cynicism, is a lot easier than you credit most people for.
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You can't blame anyone for being cynical. Nothing. Ever. Happens.

Phil MaPockets got a nice freebie trip to DC. Who he met with was top secret, apparently. The massive boost that gave the CI movement seems to be top secret too. Lol.

The amusing part is that there are some people who still think that CI is going to happen and that there are some poor buggers who still donate to this noble cause.

I hope they remember to leave a glass of milk next to the fireplace on Christmas Eve, too.
 
MiW said:
Never mind that people are responsible for their own actions and can not blame others for their crimes, I condemn this murder, as any other one ( do I look like a person who enjoys people getting shot?).

And I think that social media rhetoric has a lot to do with all the violence out there, YOU being a prime example here, with a few others spewing hate and calling names.

Now if you think you are not a hypocrite, why don't you post the same for those crimes below? (e.g 'it's the loony right fault')

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Most nutjobs who are at the sharp end of these acts are victims of mental tampering and useful as dispensible CIA plants/assets and are capable of little more than following orders arriving in their heads.

Whether Left or Right... these are controlled instruments who are barely capable of acting in a self-determined way.

You know this because when they aren't drug-induced to suicide and somehow are required to testify to their acts they are dismissed under the insanity defense.

Not always are they useful enough.... sometimes a highly-trained highly skilled person of a tiny minority with very radical beliefs will commit the act sans drug-influence or mental tampering needed.
 
vigras rojara said:
You can't blame anyone for being cynical. Nothing. Ever. Happens.
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The dead give away is who you choose to criticize for the lack of a referendum.

You have a choice between those making every effort to make it happen and those making every effort to prevent it.

We know who you choose to criticize. It's only ever been one of these two sides.
 
lexity said:
The dead give away is who you choose to criticize for the lack of a referendum.

You have a choice between those making every effort to make it happen and those making every effort to prevent it.

We know who you choose to criticize. It's only ever been one of these two sides.
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You've often punted a private referendum as the next step and the nasty DA isn't stopping you from doing that.

Yet nothing. Ever. Happens.

Anyway, this is way off topic now, unless you have a Charlie assassination CI angle.
 
lexity said:
Most nutjobs who are at the sharp end of these acts are victims of mental tampering and useful as dispensible CIA plants/assets and are capable of little more than following orders arriving in their heads.

Whether Left or Right... these are controlled instruments who are barely capable of acting in a self-determined way.

You know this because when they aren't drug-induced to suicide and somehow are required to testify to their acts they are dismissed under the insanity defense.

Not always are they useful enough.... sometimes a highly-trained highly skilled person of a tiny minority with very radical beliefs will commit the act sans drug-influence or mental tampering needed.
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Yeah, I also think that hate and stupidity is a human characteristic happening on both sides of the political spectrum
 
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lexity said:
Are you prepared to support us financially to get it done?
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Hilarious. Why would I pay for Phil's freebie trips?

I always thought it was up to people who support a cause to fund it. Start there and you might persuade others to get behind it.
 
Eniigma said:
The news for this was broken for me last night at 21:46 in a discord server by someone celebrating the shooting of this hatemonger (his words)

He started doing a lot of backpedaling when more and more condemned him for celebrating it, and it is a mostly left leaning group on the server.


The left are more and more showing their colours as the people of "tolerance and acceptance" by being anything but tolerant and accepting.
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Its a pretty funny misconception, people on that side of the fence are just as intolerant and crazy as on the other side.

They only accept your viewpoint as long as you think and talk exactly like them. Even worse, they feel this burning need to police other people on behalf of 3rd parties who don't even care about whatever the issue is about.
 
MiW said:
Yeah, I also think that hate and stupidity is human characteristic happening on both sides of the political spectrum
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I think much of any hate and stupidity comes about through inducement to fear.

Human beings cannot occupy both fear and rational thought/capacity for analytical thought.

That's why I refer to fear as both a feature and a bug.

If you have not cultivated the habit of questioning the source of the fear/immediate danger you become a victim of it and will follow the most authoritarian leader that superficially resembles an ally..
 
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vigras rojara said:
Hilarious. Why would I pay for Phil's freebie trips?

I always thought it was up to people who support a cause to fund it. Start there and you might persuade others to get behind it.
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I always knew you were hostile to freedom of association, as opposed to neutral to it.
 
lexity said:
I always knew you were hostile to freedom of association, as opposed to neutral to it.
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Hang on, so in your mind freedom of association means that I should fund the CI movement? Doesn't sound much like freedom of association to me.

That's an extremely weird interpretation of the meaning of words Lex.

You're definitely more Lexity than Lexicon. Although the "con" part might work. 🤔
 
vigras rojara said:
Hang on, so in your mind freedom of association means that I should fund the CI movement? Doesn't sound much like freedom of association to me.

That's an extremely weird interpretation of the meaning of words Lex.

You're definitely more Lexity than Lexicon. Although the "con" part might work.
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So what we've established....

You are not pro-independence... which is a right all of us have..... the right to FoA.

And you aren't neutral either... since you have made a habit of criticizing specifically those seeking to exercise their right to FoA.

There is only one option left i.e. you are hostile to anyone seeking to exercise their right to liberty.

And you continue to try to portray yourself as neutral..... can you not see like everyone else can how paper-thin your pro-liberty veneer is?
 
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