RSA Realm - Local Server

[Gangrel]

It's typical.... the illegal side of things gets more support when it comes to arguments.

Yes I played on emu servers (a couple of years ago), yes I enjoyed it... then I decided to try official servers and found out what I was missing... in all honesty if you don't have the R100 to play on the official you should not play.... you're just waisting your time.

 

[Crowley]

I'll try put this in simple terms so that EMU players can also understand.

WoW is a subscription based game. You pay every month and Blizzard keeps the servers running and the patches coming. Playing on a illegal server takes away money from Blizzard that you are supposed to pay to play the game they created. This is called stealing which is illegal. Now it may not be as bad as rape or murder but it is still illegal.

How would you like it if you make something from scratch and it gets stolen? Not a nice thought but that is what you are doing to the owners/programmers/engineers at Blizzard. Blizzard does make a insane amount of money from WoW but that still doesn't give you the right to steal from them.

The crappy attitude that **** happens and everybody does something illegal is one of the things that is wrong with South Africa.

 

[kHayne]

This argument is simple.

"That dude has a Mercedes. I want a Mercedes. But I don't want to pay for a Mercedes. Yet it is my right to have a Mercedes. So I will steal a Mercedes."

Replace Mercedes with WoW.

If you still think it's 'ok', you're not that far off from being a hijacker. Grats, you're officially part of the Problem with New South Africa, rather than the solution. Cry about being ripped off, your cellphone stolen, mugged etc? You'll excuse us if sympathy is not exactly forthcoming.

Pirating games, bypassing subscription etc might be a smaller crime. But it's still a crime. Whitewash it any way you want, that's the way it is.

End of story, end of thread.

 

[Pitbull]

This argument is simple.

"That dude has a Mercedes. I want a Mercedes. But I don't want to pay for a Mercedes. Yet it is my right to have a Mercedes. So I will steal a Mercedes."

Replace Mercedes with WoW.

If you still think it's 'ok', you're not that far off from being a hijacker. Grats, you're officially part of the Problem with New South Africa, rather than the solution. Cry about being ripped off, your cellphone stolen, mugged etc? You'll excuse us if sympathy is not exactly forthcoming.

Pirating games, bypassing subscription etc might be a smaller crime. But it's still a crime. Whitewash it any way you want, that's the way it is.

End of story, end of thread.

kHanye, your taking a piss now and you know it.

They aren't breaking any laws, I for one am all for Pirate servers, they are just to buggy and under populated to even remotely interrest me. However I love wow and wish everyone could get the oppertunity to play it. Now if that means they need to play on a Pirate server, so be it.

I can afford the official server and play there because it is better. If I could not afford to play official I would play on an EMU server. Damn if the SA server had 2000 players, I would even play there instead of paying an arm and a leg to play on the EU servers

 

[kHayne]

No I'm not. The concept remains the same. Bypassing subscription models for a product that depends on them is tantamount to theft. It really is simple. You can't swing it any other way. Even if you bought the media, odds are you'll still be downloading gigabytes of content patches to play on the emulated realms, since they use the same content. These content patches are paid for by subscribers, and would, simply speaking, not be possible without them. At the end of the day, you playing on a emulated realm is, effectively, hitching a free ride on people like me who pay Blizzard developers salaries so that they can give us new raids and zones and quests etc.
Not only are you stealing from Blizzard. You are stealing from me.

And that pisses me right off.

p.s. either spell my nick correctly, or don't bother. I'm starting to think you do it on purpose (since you manage to get the H right). For omg lulz.
It's getting old.

 

[Pitbull]

No I'm not. The concept remains the same. Bypassing subscription models for a product that depends o nthem is tantamount to theft. It really is simple. You can't swing it any other way. Even if you bought the media, odds are you'll still be downloading gigabytes of content patches to play on the emulated realms, sicne they use the same content. These content patches are paid for by subscribers, and would, simply speaking, not be possible without them. At the end of the day, you playing on a emulated realm is, effectively, hitchhiga free ride on people like me who pay Blizzard developers salaries so that they can give us new raids and zones and quests etc.
Not only are you stealing from Blizzard. You are stealing from me.
And that pisses me right off.

So is the music on your PC/Ipod.
So is the software copies. Back-ups you have in your CD folder.

Seriously, your an irretation lately more than being constructive. Shame go cry us a river cos you need to pay to play I pay for it cos I want to and I want to play official. The people hitching a free ride doesn't bother me.

Pls all lets not use Ubuntu as it's a rip off of windows seriously....

 

[kHayne]

Seriously, your an irretation lately more than being constructive.

Shame. I fking care what petty thieves think. No really, I do.
Here's how much i care.

fyi i don't have a single pirated game, every piece of software is legit, and every single mp3 on my pc/phone is ripped from cd's i own. So yes. My moral highground is quite justified, thanks. Piece of sht pirates can go screw themselves, you saying that I have 'backups' or whatever on my machine is simply you talking out of your arsehole. I'm quite comfy opining that pirates are scum without a hint of guilt or hypocricy, tyvm and gfy.

Pls all lets not use Ubuntu as it's a rip off of windows

Wow. Talk about missing the point. Comparing opensource to closedsource is retarded enough without having absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand. Obtuse. I always suspected you were a little dense, but that just sealed the deal.

 

[Pitbull]

Shame. I fking care what petty thieves think. No really, I do.
Here's how much i care.

fyi i don't have a single pirated game, every piece of software is legit, and every single mp3 on my pc/phone is ripped from cd's i own. So yes. My moral highground is quite justified, thanks.


Wow. Talk about missing the point. Comparing opensource to closedsource is retarded enough without having absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand. Obtuse. I always suspected you were a little dense, but that just sealed the deal.

OMG !!! I'M so good I PWN BT..... I feed poor Blizard employees kids.... yada yada yada.

Again, go cry us a river. With you paying or not makes no shyt of a difference If all 9 million left and played on EMU servers... damn then they have to fire the 10 programmers working on WoW ........ /sigh

Seriously, relax, take a smoke break and learn to stfu when something doesn't interrest you

Now go PWN BT U UBER WOW PLAYER YOU

 

[kHayne]

wtf has anyone's personal interest or whatever have to do with it? Youre the smacktard bringing garbage that has nothing to do with this thread into it. You're desperately grasping at straws and trying to attack someones character because they disagree with your criminal intent. Because you're absolutely, clearly wrong and can't defend your position so you have to stoop to the dumbest, lowest form of debate, slinging baseless ad-hominems?

That whole BT rant.. just.. wow. Dumb. No, not just dumb. F|_|ckstupid.
Nothing to do with anything. You fail so very hard at this.

Take a step back and listen to yourself. 'It's okay to steal because everyone else is doing it. It's okay to steal because the rich are rich enough, and I deserve a break. It's okay to steal because we live in South Africa and have it so hard, QQ'. etc etc etc.

How can you not see anything wrong with that? That's no different from the guy putting a gun to your head for your beemer's keys.

Seriously man, take some personal damn responsibility. Attitudes like that are the reason SA is turning into a shiathole in the first place.

Man up. Pay people for the work they do, the services they offer, the products they sell. Don't be a criminal scumbag.
It's not a hard concept.

 

[Pitbull]

wtf has anyone personal expertise or whatever have to do with it? Yuo're grasping at straws and trying to attack someones character because they disagree with your criminal intent.

Take a fcking step back and listen to yourself. 'It's okay to steal because everyone else is doing it. It's okay to steal because Blizzar dis rich enough. It's okay to steal because we live in South Africa'

Seriously man, take some personal goddamn responsibility. Attitudes like that are the reason SA is turning into a shiathole in the first place.

Man up.

I in no way approve of what they are doing, but to have a go at them each and everytime they post running these kind of threads up to 100 posts. Come on, do you think this will stop and you will convince them to do other wise ?

No

So leave them be, they are not taking anything away from you or Blizzard, they just want to play a game WE ALL LOVE, and 90% of the time they can't afford to play official. Just leave them be.... honestly this is getting old now

 

[kHayne]

So leave them be, they are not taking anything away from you or Blizzard

As I said, this is wrong. Wrong, wrong wrong. Wrong.
They ARE taking away from Blizzard. They ARE taking away from you.
Maybe in a very small and seemingly insignificant way. Nonetheless, hypothetically, if they subscribed rather than stole, it would give Blizzard more money to play with. Maybe Blizzard would spend it on Ferraris and blow, I dunno, but maybe they'd also spend it on hiring more people. Upgrading more servers. Buying better bandwidth. Maybe they'd release Wrath that little bit sooner if 12 million paying customers where breathing down their necks rather than 9. Maybe they'd spend more resources on reworking the graphics engine and giving us a better game.
Because pirates, on the other hand, take some of those resources away, it is logical to deduce that those resources are, thus, not available for the betterment of the game.

Freakin Q.E.D.

 

[kHayne]

they just want to play a game WE ALL LOVE, and 90% of the time they can't afford to play official. Just leave them be

Christ. This is what pisses me off.

Sheeit booi, I'd love to own a BMW. I can't afford it. So you're telling me it's fine to go jack one from a cardealer?

Are you serious? Are you freakin serious?!?

Playing WoW/games/etc is not some god given right if you can't afford it. Dinging 70 on your new huntard is not akin to the right to Freedom of Speech.
It's a damn luxury. You pay for it. End Of story.
How hard is this to understand?

And yeah, I really don't give a fck if 'ragging on the pirates' annoys you. When those piece of trash scumbags try to sell me bootleg dvd's on the side of the road I get just as annoyed. Play your damn emu's if you want, but stop pimping your stolen crap on a legit forum, please.

 

[Pitbull]

Christ. This is what pisses me off.

Sheeit booi, I'd love to own a BMW. I can't afford it. So you're telling me it's fine to go jack one from a cardealer?

Are you serious? Are you freakin serious?!?

Playing WoW/games/etc is not some god given right if you can't afford it. Dinging 70 on your new huntard is not akin to the right to Freedom of Speech.
It's a damn luxury. You pay for it. End Of story.
How hard is this to understand?

And yeah, I really don't give a fck if 'ragging on the pirates' annoys you. When those piece of trash scumbags try to sell me bootleg dvd's on the side of the road I get just as annoyed. Play your damn emu's if you want, but stop pimping your stolen crap on a legit forum, please.

LMAO, do u seriously take me to be that slow ?

The scenario would be more like this, to drive a BMW and to be able to the warantee covered and serviced in SA it needs to be a legitimate import thru BMWSA. (Official)

There is 1000's of imported BMW's that is not here via BMWSA and thus they are Grey imports. Still BMW's it's just that they are not reconised as that in SA......... and thus by getting them at 1/2 the price I'm now stealing from BWM

Blizzard still makes money of someone to be able to provide that content, if everyone paying stops supplying the patches would they survive ?

Now pls try and use the BMW example again to try and convince me pls

 

[h0ll0w]

They aren't breaking any laws, I for one am all for Pirate servers

I in no way approve of what they are doing

I think you're talking yourself into a corner here meight. If they're not breaking any laws no ?

I got this new plan Pitbull, listen up : I know some ppl who know some ppl that make Car magazines fall off the proverbial trucks. There are LOADS of ppl that cant afford a Car magazine subscription and I'm gonna be giving it to them for free. ITS NOT STEALING !!

 

[kHayne]

Wat

Your analogy fails. Imported cars are still paid for. A car manufacturer's primary revenue stream derives from the initial sale of the vehicle, not warrantees/services/etc. Never mind that importing a BMW or buying a locally produced one makes little difference to the producer since the money goes back into BMW's pocket itself, either way. BMW still gets it's pound of flesh at the end of the day.
Wow makes it's money- to support constant content patches, support, and servers to support million of players - from subscriptions rather than the sale of the initial product.
Without those subs, WoW would be more like Guildwars. Is that what you want? A watered down mmo-wannabe with sparse content updates, a lousy endgame and nothing to do after 3 months?
Playing wow on an emu is stealing from Blizzard. It's not following alternate channels. It's stealing. Plain and simple.

So you're comparing apples vs oranges.

Ie, fail again. But keep deluding yourself that crime is fine. When thieves clean out our house someday, I'll just point and laugh and say, 'so what? they have a RIGHT to your stuff because they're poorer than you, after all.'

Paint you black and you could be this guy.

 

[Mastercarder]

Eish... if I wasn't concerned with keeping a good reputation with you guys I'd be going Rambo about now. It's like an uprising of stupid in here!

The argument is that playing on private servers is 'stealing' sales from Blizzard. That's like saying if I use Linux instead of Windows, that I'm 'stealing' from Microsoft, because if there was no Linux I'd *have* to use Windows.

Just because something is 'illegal', doesn't mean it's wrong, and visa versa. One has to respect the difference between justice and policy. If people can't do that, history is damned to repeat itself over and over and over... But unfortunately that's just part of human nature and will never change.

Another thing that's part of human nature is wanting something for nothing. Now I know this forum is jam-packed with self-righteous... 'moral crusaders' but you must just accept that to the majority of people, the Mercedes argument makes perfect sense. I want, I see oppertunity, I take.

Everyone stealing their way to the top and nobody doing anything about it... it's the South African dream. Enjoy

 

[Pitbull]

Wat

Your analogy fails. Imported cars are still paid for. A car manufacturer's revenue stream derives from the initial sale of the vehicle, not warranttes/services. Those are provided by 3rd parties.

Fail again. But keep deluding yourself that crime is fine. When thieves clean out our house someday, I'll jsut point and laugh and say, 'so what? they have a RIGHT to your stuff because they're poorer than you, after all.'

Paint you black and you could be this guy.

LOL,

I just love people like you, seriously I do. You make life worth living. Now I just need to get this next batch or XP coppies done before the weekend starts. O listen if you need a copy feel free to PM me, I know you also hate Vista

Also got some nice Deviance codes for various other software..... makes me wonder why Blizard called some mobs after a game hacking file

ooooo

I started to play Diablo 2 again, o wait that is a copy too.

...mmmm...

Ok wait, maybe I should rather stick to Windows games instead, o fk no wait, that is a copy of windows also.... Ok I'll listen to my music.....

/sigh o no not that too.

Let me watch TV instead, FK FK FK I don't pay my TV licence.

o well let me go have a nap instead, that at least is ok I think

 

[Pitbull]

lol, Mastercarder

You just sold another game card, pls PM me your banking details
Will do the transfer and you can send me the code once the money is in your account.

 

[Mastercarder]

Done

 

[kHayne]

The argument is that playing on private servers is 'stealing' sales from Blizzard. That's like saying if I use Linux instead of Windows, that I'm 'stealing' from Microsoft, because if there was no Linux I'd *have* to use Windows.

Sigh. Sorry man, I think the dumb is, in fact, emanating from your side. Your analogy is more like Guildwars vs WoW, where Guildwars is Linux and WoW is Windows. And that's fine if you choose Guildwars because of it's 'opensourcey' free-to-play model. NCSoft is still getting their money, money they deserve for producing something, by utilising their retail model of choice. Much like Linux does using direct support models, retailing additional applications/modules, and corporate buy-in catalysed by the whole GNU free-to-distribute-for-personal-use type dealio.

You can't compare that to Wow subs vs Wow emu's, because then you're comparing same-product, and in one example you're following the vendors intended revenue model, and in the other, you're not.
So, stealing.
Spin it how you like. Justify it whichever way you want. It comes down to the same thing at the end of the day.

Anyway, I guess I'll keep my cc sub with Blizz active rather than buy gamecards from you, then. I think Blizzard is more deserving of my money, directly, than lining the pockets of a middleman who doesnt particularly care about criminality.
I find it particularly amusing because if everyone here followed your advice, you'd be selling zero gamecards. Irony.
Consider my expression of interest, cancelled. Apologies, but I will never support someone with an idealogy like

Everyone stealing their way to the top and nobody doing anything about it... it's the South African dream. Enjoy

Only dead fish go with the flow. All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing. Etc.

@pitlul. I don't know wtf your point was. My XP is legit and activated. My Diablo2 is a not a copy, in fact i have 2 legit boxes. I scratched my 1st set of CD's somewhere along the line and needed another set. Would have been well within right to just get a copy since I bought the first original but, y'know, 299 extra bucks for something I enjoyed so much was, I felt, worth it. Chump change for a quality product. Throw ole Blizz a bone for making my life that little bit more enjoyable.
Vista came preinstalled and was part of the price of my new PC. I felt it was a crap product and uninstalled it, even though I'd paid for it. Installed a bought and paid for copy of XP Home instead, which does the job.
I don't pay my TV license but then again I only watch DSTV, which I do certainly pay for. Even though I could hijack/share my neighbours DSTV, who I know very well, but I guess the thought never crossed my mind.

I guess that's the difference between you and me. You only pay for WoW because you have to. Because your mates play on the official servers. I pay because I want to. Because I respect Blizzard, the work they put into giving me a good game and continuing to give me a good game.

I don't particularly care if you pirate stuff. Do whatever the hell you like. Actually I only pity your ilk. Having no conscience must be pretty sad.
But don't try and convince me that what you're doing is right or acceptable or justified. Crime never is. Period. And don't pimp your miscreance in public. Keep your gangsta lifestyle out of impressionable kids' heads. The world doesnt need more of your kind.