Ruling slammed as religious infringement

Lycanthrope said:
Sure, but how much trouble would it be to allow those who don't want to do it to sit in a classroom and do homework or study instead while those who do want to do it, do it.
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My religion says maths is the devil.

You let those Muslim children sit out swimming now I don't have to do maths.
 
Getafix said:
Whatever the reason.
Why must the school adapt to the parents wishes? BS.
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You mean why should the school not bully a child who doesn't want to do something unnecessary that she's completely against?

I honestly have no idea :rolleyes:

The school has other classes, and teachers who get paid for looking after and educating the kids, use them.
 
porchrat said:
My religion says maths is the devil.

You let those Muslim children sit out swimming now I don't have to do maths.
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Again, sports has no impact on her academic career. Isn't that why we go to school?

Hyperbole doesn't change the argument.
 
Haldex said:
If I don't want my child to play rugby, you can't force my child to play rugby!
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The sport is not the point.
They complained about the dress of the sport.
It is against their religion.

So I go to Dubai and make a noise because the local people doesn't sing Christiaan hymns in their Mosques. What change do I have.

And what you want your child to do is your case.
 
Lycanthrope said:
Again, sports has no impact on her academic career. Isn't that why we go to school?

Hyperbole doesn't change the argument.
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School has rules. You alter one rule to cater for one religious group you must be prepared to alter rules to cater for all religious groups.

Why is Islam allowed to get special rules and my math-is-the-devilism isn't? Stop discriminating against me due to my religion! *court case*
 
Haldex said:
If I don't want my child to play rugby, you can't force my child to play rugby!
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If when you enrolled your child the rules were that every child plays rugby and you agreed to them then actually they can. Well... either that or you are free to take your child to another school.
 
Lycanthrope said:
Distance (and thus public transport times) to the next nearest school, the possible religious affiliation of the next nearest school, the capacity and availability of room at the next nearest school, the cost of the next nearest school (especially if it's private), etc.

The list goes on.

As I said, life is rarely quite that convenient.
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It's Germany, I doubt that they suffer from many of these problems :p

But let's say that it is applicable, why did her parents choose that suburb of that city of that country to settle? And then want to turn around and blame the school because it's rules don't favour their child? A chain reaction of coincidences would have to combine for circumstances to dictate that one has to settle in that particular place. I'm just not buying it at the moment.
 
porchrat said:
School has rules. You alter one rule to cater for one religious group you must be prepared to alter rules to cater for all religious groups.
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I'm not arguing on behalf of religious groups. I'm arguing on behalf of kids who don't want to do something UNNECESSARY that makes them uncomfortable, feel humiliated, degraded or otherwise bullied.

This applies to nerds, fatties, kids who are ashamed of a birthmark, general anxiety/insecurity, etc and not just some Muslim girl in Germany.

In fact, it's not all that different to forcing religious indoctrination down the throats of unwilling kids from different religious backgrounds--if they don't want to have to go through something that is academically superfluous then they should not need to; regardless of what kind of school it considers itself.
 
Lycanthrope said:
I'm not arguing on behalf of religious groups. I'm arguing on behalf of kids who don't want to do something UNNECESSARY that makes them uncomfortable, feel humiliated, degraded or otherwise bullied.

This applies to nerds, fatties, kids who are ashamed of a birthmark, general anxiety/insecurity, etc and not just some Muslim girl in Germany.

In fact, it's not all that different to forcing religious indoctrination down the throats of unwilling kids from different religious backgrounds--if they don't want to have to go through something that is academically superfluous then they should not need to; regardless of what kind of school it considers itself.
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So you are advocating that some other authority dictate what terms private institutions can and cannot put onto the use of their facilities?... so basically... China?
 
I'm not arguing on behalf of religious groups. I'm arguing on behalf of kids who don't want to do something UNNECESSARY that makes them uncomfortable, feel humiliated, degraded or otherwise bullied.
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So what if they are uncomfortable standing in front of the class for oral - must they be exempted ?

Many would argue that phys-ed of any kind is more than necessary.
 
porchrat said:
So you are advocating that some other authority dictate what terms private institutions can and cannot put onto the use of their facilities?... so basically... China?
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Of course. Are you trying to insinuate that if a private institution insists on teaching children how to make bombs, or skin live animals, that should be tolerated purely because they are a private institution? Nonsense.

Bullying is unacceptable however you look at it and forcing a kid to do an academically unnecessary activity that they don't want to amounts to precisely that: bullying.

daveza said:
So what if they are uncomfortable standing in front of the class for oral - must they be exempted ?
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Is oration academically necessary? I'm sure I don't need to answer that for you.

Many would argue that phys-ed of any kind is more than necessary.
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Many would argue that responsible parenting is far more necessary.
 
Why can't they compromise? Perhaps she can get trained privately and obtain a certificate to say she is competent in swimming, then the school can exempt her from the course?

If the parents don't want to pay then she must find another school. Simple
 
Is oration academically necessary?
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Well why include it if it isn't ?

For that matter a second language is not 'necessary', nor is music, history, biology, home-economics, geography...

Academia is part of education, not all of it.
 
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/slam:

Definition of slam
verb (slams, slamming, slammed)
informal criticize severely:
the new TV soap was slammed as being cynical and irresponsible
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http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/slam

Definition of SLAM
transitive verb: to criticize harshly
intransitive verb: to utter verbal abuse or harsh criticism
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http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/slam

slam - definition
[TRANSITIVE] MAINLY JOURNALISM to criticize someone or something severely
The film has been slammed by critics.
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I disagree that the ruling has been slammed by local Muslim leaders.

Journalists are fond of the word "slam".
 
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