Running Fly-half vs Kicking fly-half?

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Which will suite the springboks better, a running or kicking fly-half?

I feel that South Africa's kicking strategy is not paying dividents, maybe we need to start running the ball.
 
I don't mind a running flyhalf who can kick or a kicking flyhalf who can run!!!
 
moggie said:
I don't mind a running flyhalf who can kick or a kicking flyhalf who can run!!!
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The thing is any flyhalf who makes international level should have both facets to their game. The question is which one is more instinctive....

Best case scenario is that the flyhalf is unpredictable, as this means the opposition have no idea what he will do when he gets the ball. If you have a kicking flyhalf the opposition just fall back waiting to be given the ball....
 
I hate the kicking game that SA has used over the last few years. I think that they have been extremely lucky that the score line has, more often then not, been favorable to them. To me the kick is 50/50 ball. If a team runs 25 meters with the ball they are better off then if a team kicks the ball 25 meters because the team that carried the ball still has possession while the team that kicked only has a half chance that they will retain possession.
 
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Ronjay said:
I hate the kicking game that SA has used over the last few years. I think that they have been extremely lucky that the score line has, more often then not, been favorable to them. To me the kick is 50/50 ball. If a team runs 25 meters with the ball they are better off then if a team kicks the ball 25 meters because the team that carried the ball still has possession while the team that kicked only has a half chance that they will retain possession.
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I realise I leave myself open to being called a typical whinging Bok fan here but I do need to add that with the current refereeing it seems the Boks still only have a 50/50 chance of getting the ball back when they run it at the opposition.... either you will have the ref blowing them for some infringement that no one else saw or the ref will allow Richie McCaw to do whatever he pleases on the wrong side to win the ball.
 
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LancelotSA said:
The thing is any flyhalf who makes international level should have both facets to their game. The question is which one is more instinctive....

Best case scenario is that the flyhalf is unpredictable, as this means the opposition have no idea what he will do when he gets the ball. If you have a kicking flyhalf the opposition just fall back waiting to be given the ball....
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Exactly!!
 
LancelotSA said:
I realise I leave myself open to being called a typical whinging Bok fan here but I do not to add that with the current refereeing it seems the Boks still only have a 50/50 chance of getting the ball back when they run it at the opposition.... either you will have the ref blowing them for some infringement that no one else saw or the ref will allow Richie McCaw to do whatever he pleases on the wrong side to win the ball.
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Yeah, exactly, but kicking the little bit of possession we do get away is not helping either. And don't worry, I'm a typical whinging Bok fan myself. The bloody sixteenth man is killing us.
 
Naas Botha was a kicking flyhalf and there was f uck all the opposition could do about it/him. You always knew he was going for the drop goal but it still made it near impossible to effectively defend. He also could run along side the best of them when the mood grabbed him...

Agree with Lance the modern day flyhalf must be able to do both... Carter is a good example, Wilkinson and Contemponi too...
 
As for the refs, don't get me started... I'm sick of the yellow card and the impact sin binning is having on the momentum and outcome of a match. 2011 World cup will be decided on the back of a yellow card, mark my words..
 
sandmanm34 said:
Naas Botha was a kicking flyhalf and there was f uck all the opposition could do about it/him. You always knew he was going for the drop goal but it still made it near impossible to effectively defend. He also could run along side the best of them when the mood grabbed him...

Agree with Lance the modern day flyhalf must be able to do both... Carter is a good example, Wilkinson and Contemponi too...
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Yeah, Naas was class alright. But I don't see any flyhalves with anything close to his abilities.
 
Ronjay said:
Yeah, Naas was class alright. But I don't see any flyhalves with anything close to his abilities.
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It shouldn't be necessary to add, but I will just in case, that the game has progressed dramatically since his day. Watch some footage from those days and there was very little structure. There was also hardly any of the pressure imposed in the modern day game by the loose forwards. I do not doubt that Naas would have been drilled repeatedly on a modern rugby field.... it is far more difficult to hide in the professional era.
 
LancelotSA said:
It shouldn't be necessary to add, but I will just in case, that the game has progressed dramatically since his day. Watch some footage from those days and there was very little structure. There was also hardly any of the pressure imposed in the modern day game by the loose forwards. I do not doubt that Naas would have been drilled repeatedly on a modern rugby field.... it is far more difficult to hide in the professional era.
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Like when Morne du Plessis took him out?

Also the ball was different and it was easier for the scrumhalf to throw very long passes to him where he sat very deep in the pocket!!!
 
LancelotSA said:
It shouldn't be necessary to add, but I will just in case, that the game has progressed dramatically since his day. Watch some footage from those days and there was very little structure. There was also hardly any of the pressure imposed in the modern day game by the loose forwards. I do not doubt that Naas would have been drilled repeatedly on a modern rugby field.... it is far more difficult to hide in the professional era.
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True. although I'd just like to say that even though the loose three where not as mobile back then as they are now, if you got nailed by one of them, well, traction was probably the least of your worries. Being hit by a bus would have been a more pleasant experience.

As I've said, I don't like the kicking anyway. I can understand kicking from positions where there is no other option but from within opposition half where an attack is on the cards just pisses me off. How many times this year alone have the Boks been in good positions to run at the opposition only to have the scrummie or flyhalf kick it away?
 
LancelotSA said:
It shouldn't be necessary to add, but I will just in case, that the game has progressed dramatically since his day. Watch some footage from those days and there was very little structure. There was also hardly any of the pressure imposed in the modern day game by the loose forwards. I do not doubt that Naas would have been drilled repeatedly on a modern rugby field.... it is far more difficult to hide in the professional era.
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You stating the obvious yes. No one from the 80's would cut it now. Frik Du Preez, a legend in his own right, 6.2 and 96kg's and he at the time was considered a monster.... hahahaha.... There bigger scrumhalves currently playing the game... Well, almost...
 
sandmanm34 said:
You stating the obvious yes. No one from the 80's would cut it now. Frik Du Preez, a legend in his own right, 6.2 and 96kg's and he at the time was considered a monster.... hahahaha.... There bigger scrumhalves currently playing the game... Well, almost...
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Not the midget that was the first choice scrummie pre-tri-nations.
 
sandmanm34 said:
You stating the obvious yes. No one from the 80's would cut it now. Frik Du Preez, a legend in his own right, 6.2 and 96kg's and he at the time was considered a monster.... hahahaha.... There bigger scrumhalves currently playing the game... Well, almost...
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Your comment assumes that you'd just take a player from the 80's and dump him into today's rugby. When in reality if they did play today, they would be doing the same training and preparation the players do now.
 
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