Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 2

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I wonder if that sad ukrainian clown has put his pre-orders in?
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Don't think he needs to pre-order, Lockheed will slip a few into the shipment to show Russia just how a hypersonic weapon is supposed to operate (even just a "test" version)
 
Until they start focusing their entire economy on war. Also Russian women give birth to a hell of a lot more children than Ukrainian women. They can keep going.
Russia low fertility rate and exodus is one reason for this stupid war and Putin's plans to forcefully resettle 2 mill Ukrainians around Russia.
And this adoption fast tracking schit , of abducted kids, I can not believe is happening again in Europe.

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Why do you think that?

Russia is already loosing men at 3-5 times the rate of the Ukrainians and the "western" weapons are only just starting to filter in (while Russia seems to running short already).
Putin will never stop. He can't live with egg on his face to withdraw from his "operation". They had an video on it (youtube) comparing to cold war. Dictators need an "graceful" exit lol...

And watching reddit... those American M777 Howitzer drop explosives on Russian's heads (in bunkers) with pin point accuracy. Good luck if you enemy can blow you up from 25+ miles away in a head shot...
 
Until they start focusing their entire economy on war.
NATO's economy absolutely dwarfs Russia's. Even a tiny percent of NATO GDP going towards Ukraine would crush their efforts.

Either way it's not gonna happen... the Russian people might be submissive to their government but they have a breaking point.

Also Russian women give birth to a hell of a lot more children than Ukrainian women. They can keep going.
Both Ukraine and Russia have a shrinking population, so not gonna happen either...
 
The problem is Russian military still has the ability to pull a grozny on Ukraine. It will make life easier for Russian military using long range artillery and mass carpet bombing at the cost of war crimes they commit. that would definitely elongate the war. Russia still has an abundance of Pions, 2S35 coaltions, Tornado MLRS, BM-30 Smerches. All those things they can use from within Russia border. As much as Russian military is making blunders they can still bring a lot more hell and potentially cripple Ukraine instantly (with the cost of more war crimes) .

Those have a firing range of about 90km. That's not nearly enough to level cities from within Russia.

And they are already indiscriminately bombing cities. What makes you think they are "holding back" when in reality they are taking major damage and have been forced to retreat?
 
Those have a firing range of about 90km. That's not nearly enough to level cities from within Russia.

And they are already indiscriminately bombing cities. What makes you think they are "holding back" when in reality they are taking major damage and have been forced to retreat?
They still have not sent missles to bomb Kiev headquarters with Large bombs. Not the ones we are currently seeing. Then again we have observed Russian military just barks like a chihuahua with nuclear threats and no bite. I am personally surprised how well Ukraine is doing pushing Russian military out of the Kharkiv area. Let us hope Russian military is on a critically low supply of long range missiles and bombs. The faster Russian military feels it necessary for them to surrender all activity in Ukraine, the faster this will end.
 
They still have not sent missles to bomb Kiev headquarters with Large bombs. Not the ones we are currently seeing. Then again we have observed Russian military just barks like a chihuahua with nuclear threats and no bite. I am personally surprised how well Ukraine is doing pushing Russian military out of the Kharkiv area. Let us hope Russian military is on a critically low supply of long range missiles and bombs. The faster Russian military feels it necessary for them to surrender all activity in Ukraine, the faster this will end.

If Russia had a working hypersonic missile that could evade air defenses and take out Zelensky they would have used it already..
 

@MiW here is translated article as requested. PART 1​

How Putin Decided to Go to War​

Why the war was doomed to failure from the start, what sources of information the president relied on before it began, and why no one in the FSB told the truth about the real state of affairs in Ukraine

05/16/2022
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The war in Ukraine has entered a protracted phase. But no matter how events develop further, it is already obvious now: the original plan for the invasion of the Russian army into Ukraine failed. In the third month of the war, the Russian armed forces have not achieved any of the goals originally announced by Vladimir Putin.
The Russian army was unable to quickly capture Kyiv, Chernigov, Kharkov and other large cities and, having suffered heavy losses, was forced to retreat. The “second phase of the special operation” announced after that – that is, access to the administrative borders of the Lugansk and Donetsk regions, as well as the capture of the south of Ukraine to Transnistria itself – judging by the news from the front (including from propagandists ), is also going with difficulty. In some areas, the Russian army is slowly moving forward, but this advance is given with heavy losses; on others, for example, in the Kharkiv region, the armed forces of Ukraine (AFU) pushed back the Russian army almost to the very border.
Despite the obvious setbacks at the front, the Russian military leadership keeps repeating that everything is going according to plan. But this is obviously not the case. “The task was set as follows: to take Mariupol in three days, Kyiv in five,” says an employee of the Russian special forces. All my sources agree with this: the Russian authorities were sure that the Russian army would not encounter serious resistance on its way. “Have you seen these shots with burned paddy wagons? They really thought that they would quickly take everything and then they would disperse the crowd with batons,” says the special forces officer.
Where did such confidence come from? “As ridiculous as it may sound, the decision to go to war was made by the most uninformed person who could make such a decision. President,” ironically my interlocutor.
Read this article to the end and you will learn:
  • what the FSB intelligence reported to Putin before the start of the war, and why the Chekists are now “thirsty for the blood” of their colleagues from the fifth service;
  • how the FSB “sold air” about the situation in Ukraine;
  • why the President of Russia believed that victory would be easy for him;
  • how the Kremlin finally broke away from reality.

Has Putin retained his connection to reality?​

Austrian Chancellor Karl Nehammer is so far the only EU leader Vladimir Putin has seen in person since the start of the war. The meeting took place in mid-April in Moscow. Nehammer later told the American NBC channel about its results: “I think that he is now in his own military logic, you understand? .. He does not trust the international community. He accuses Ukrainians of genocide in Donbass. So for now he's in his world... But I think he believes he's winning the war."

Nehammer's phrase about Putin's "his own world" almost verbatim repeats the words of Angela Merkel, said to Barack Obama in 2014 after the annexation of Crimea: "I'm not sure if Mr. Putin has retained touch with reality. He is in another world."

Many sources speak about Putin's "own world", including those who are personally acquainted with him; and we are talking not so much about mental health (although some interlocutors have concerns about this), but about the physical and informational isolation of the president.

During the pandemic, Putin has reduced the number of trips and face-to-face meetings, holding most of the events online. Before each face-to-face meeting with the president, people were forced to be locked up in strict quarantine for two weeks. Even press secretary Dmitry Peskov mostly saw his boss on the TV screen.

“At that time, if he received and saw someone, then no more than five people, the closest circle. It was very hard to work, all decisions were the last to be recognized, ”complained one of the Kremlin officials. “He has a limited number of people with him who are constantly nearby - adjutants who follow his schedule, time, to the point that they wake him up in the morning. There is a place to live in Ogarevo [the presidential residence]. The rest are not needed now, ” confirmed the interlocutors of the BBC Russian service.

This regime, in fact, is still preserved: during the war, Putin appeared in public a few times. Such isolation has made it almost impossible for the president - already distinguished by suspiciousness and excessive suspicion - to convey an alternative point of view - one that did not coincide with the opinion of the special services. As a result, Putin, when deciding to invade Ukraine, relied mainly on the reports of his former colleagues, including the FSB’s “big fifth service” (it is so called to distinguish it from the fifth services within the smaller FSB units).

Who works in the fifth service and what did she report to Putin before the war in Ukraine?

"Air Sellers"​

The Fifth Service is one of the most closed in the FSB, it is sometimes called intelligence because it specializes in collecting information inside Russia and in the countries of the former Soviet Union. The key subdivision of the service is the department of operational information, which includes various departments specializing in their areas, and a department that deals with Ukraine.

The Fifth Service is headed by the influential General Sergei Beseda. His first deputy and at the same time the head of the department is Georgy Grishaev. It was he and his deputy Dmitry Milyutin who were directly responsible for the information that was reported to the Russian leadership about the situation in Ukraine (although, as my interlocutors stipulate, the certificates were still written and written by the “opera” - the leadership’s fault is that it did not check anything and took on faith any convenient information).


At the beginning of the war, many media even reported that Beseda and his colleagues were arrested because their information about Ukraine was not true. However, four sources said this was not the case. “Conversation is untouchable. There are several services in the FSB, whose leaders are equated with the deputy director: for example, this is the fifth service and the first ( engaged in counterintelligence. - Approx. ed. ). They don’t jail them,” says a friend of Beseda’s.

But inside the FSB today no one hides the fact that there are big questions about the work of the fifth service. Moreover, many colleagues are thirsty for the blood of their colleagues from this service and are waiting for criminal cases to be initiated against them. “They are sellers of air,” says a former FSB officer about his colleagues. “They thought, misinterpreted, and sometimes fantasized, and the management gladly believed in it,” another former employee echoes him. “For example, they wrote that the regions of Ukraine live separately from the authorities in Kyiv, and as soon as they push, the regions will run towards Russia.”

“There is no level of professionalism there. People who did not know how to work were poured there. Not everyone went yet, because there is a swamp. We came across cases when we brought information on one of the CIS countries to the Conversations service, and the profile employees did not recognize the names of the main officials of this country, did not understand who these people were. They had to explain,” says the FSB officer.


 

Part 1​



Part 2:

Fools and corrupt officials as sources of information​

For many years, the Ukrainian direction was not considered a priority by the FSB. For many reasons. Firstly, because many employees of the special services of Russia and Ukraine, in fact, were yesterday's classmates and colleagues. Secondly, because the Russian authorities have always looked at Ukraine as a province of their metropolis, and no one in the FSB really tried to understand what was really happening in the neighboring country. “All political stakes were placed on Yanukovych, and no one paid attention to the fact that by 2013 almost all of Ukraine hated him for corruption and stupidity. His overthrow and flight came as a surprise to the leadership,” says a former FSB officer.

It would seem that after the Euromaidan, the FSB should have drawn conclusions and changed its approach to assessing the situation in Ukraine. But, as my interlocutors say, things only got worse.

The euphoria from the rapid annexation of Crimea and the relatively easy victories of the Russian army in the Donbass (primarily from the defeat of the Ukrainian army near Debaltseve and Ilovaisk ) created the impression that everything was under control. At the same time, no one tried to understand what was really happening in Ukrainian society during all these eight years.

The main informants of the FSB about the situation inside Ukraine were fugitive officials, security officials and businessmen from the team of Viktor Yanukovych, says a former employee of one of the Russian special services. The key one was and remained until the outbreak of war in February of this year, Vladimir Sivkovich, a former KGB military counterintelligence officer who served in Potsdam, Germany during Soviet times. Sivkovich held high positions in the state bodies of Ukraine. From 2010 to 2014, he served as deputy secretary of the National Security and Defense Council.

Taras Chornovil, a former deputy from the Party of Regions (its leader was Viktor Yanukovych) , said in 2014 that it was Sivkovich who made the decision to beat students on the Maidan in November 2013, after which the peaceful protest turned into clashes between protesters and security forces. After Yanukovych's flight from Kyiv, Sivkovich also fled to Russia, where he received state protection, an office in the center of Moscow, and a staff to collect information about Ukraine.

“You have to understand the psychology of these people [members of the Yanukovych team who fled to Russia]. They fed their fantasies to Beseda in order, firstly, to justify their existence and master the budgets that they allegedly spent on “agents”. Secondly, their main goal was to return to Ukraine, they already signed positions for themselves, and all their information was adjusted to this goal. Thirdly, these people lived in the realities of 2014 and did not want to understand that everything had changed in Ukraine in eight years. And Besed happily carried all this information upstairs, ”says a former FSB officer.

But the point is not only and not so much that Putin was deceived, but that he himself was glad to be deceived.

Negative selection​

“What can be said about Beseda if the director [of the FSB] himself cannot afford to report to the leadership what the leadership does not want to hear. In the FSB, everyone has long been very careful in terms of initiative and information. Even if serious information was received, they preferred to put it in a safe and forget it until the leadership remembered and asked, that is, until there was a “political necessity”, ”says the FSB officer.

“You need to report what the management wants to hear, otherwise you won’t get promoted. Moreover, problems may arise, ”confirms another interlocutor from the special services.

In theory, Putin was supposed to receive information from various sources, such as the fifth service of the FSB and the Foreign Intelligence Service. But in practice it did not work, my interlocutors say. “How does this work in practice? Let's say that contradictory information comes along two lines. The boss calls those in charge and demands: “You have written that this filthy journalist is a CIA agent, and you have written that he is a patriot of Russia. Well, figure it out! ” And everyone understands how to fix it - the way the boss thinks. No one will insist on their own,” a former FSB officer describes a hypothetical situation.

In psychology, this cognitive bias is called confirmation bias, when a person selects only the information that is consistent with his point of view.

The consequence of this cognitive distortion is negative selection of personnel. Filters in the selection of operatives have long ceased to work. The leadership of both the FSB and the country prefers "executive morons," as my interlocutors call them. And "executive morons", in turn, recruit the same as they are.

 
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