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SA Guilds - 2010
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Tinuva
The Magician
At least you know how to write a wall of text. While you might have dissected my post whether it is correct or wrong I am the who don't care, however the irony is how the description sounds much like yourself. Can I say, it takes one to know one?
ethereal1412
New Member
While the attack on Conack does seem to be a bit knee-jerk, and appears to come from someone with a history with the man, and as such has a chip on his shoulder, one thing IS clear :
This is a "we're the best SA guild in the world - look at us" post. You're not researching what SA guilds are out there out of interest. You want to see if there's an SA guild with more 25 man kills than you. And assuming that you ARE on top, you don't need to say you're recruiting. People will seek you out. So the comments are justified. You're just being very subtle and sneaky.
Mirror mirror on the wall, who's the fairest guild of them all...
This is a "we're the best SA guild in the world - look at us" post. You're not researching what SA guilds are out there out of interest. You want to see if there's an SA guild with more 25 man kills than you. And assuming that you ARE on top, you don't need to say you're recruiting. People will seek you out. So the comments are justified. You're just being very subtle and sneaky.
Mirror mirror on the wall, who's the fairest guild of them all...
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Sorry but I just have to get back to this post and the highlighted item in particular...
Tinuva... you're the king of blurting out **** without facts/proof to backup your arguments. How many times have you been proven wrong on these forums (and others) because you speak out of your ass? Let me give you a hint... it's very close to your post count...
@Hijax: What beer do you drink? I think some of us want to send you a case =P
LMAO.
Tinuva, how old are you, i know whats probably going on, Tinuva is just post whoring, adding up posts to grow an E-peen (rep)
MY GUILD IS STUCK ON PUTRICIDE FOR OUR #4 10MAN TEAM!
WORSHIP ME!
lol.
Back on topic... can anyone tell me if a Jacques or Etienne is in your guilds? They're brothers... their father may likely still be playing as well?
WORSHIP ME!
lol.
Back on topic... can anyone tell me if a Jacques or Etienne is in your guilds? They're brothers... their father may likely still be playing as well?
Conack
Expert Member
Well, for starters i'm pleased that my post had you create an account on the mybroadband forums Hijax.
Anyone could say anything about anyone, whether it's true or not. Just because you, (a new anon poster) say i'm a jerk it doesn't mean jack. What do you have to prove by pointing out where our guild was or is now? Relevance, your honour?
Should i have masked my identity and posted under another name because someone might just decide to armory my forum name and deduce which guild i am?
You and many others don't seem to realize what goes into making a 25m raiding guild work.
Over the time frame of a couple of years there will always be a few disgruntled ex-members. If there isn't, then you're either amazing or doing it wrong.
There's many aspects which the GM has to consider with for eg. 1 "problem member". Let's take the most common problem: Performance.
Jackrussel does 4000DPS less than the top DPSers in the raid.
CasterX fails to avoid Malleable Goo roughly every 2nd attempt.
*Malleable Goo looks like a bouncing green slime ball. Putricide randomly targets and tosses the goo to a ranged player. These cause 20,000 AoE damage on impact, and slow attack/cast speeds by 200% on impact. Easily avoidable by moving out of the way of the goo.
I can't have those two folks continue to raid and be the cause of wipe after wipe on say Putricide, so put yourself in the guild leader's place and imagine what motivated him or her to do things that way. Just like in a sports team or company, those who aren't capable have to make way for others who are. If raiding spots isn't based on merit, then i want no part of it. (PS. This policy is the reason why RS -> UFII)
Is it fun to tell someone that he/she has to be replaced? No, it's terrible - but avoiding it will lead to the good raiders getting frustrated and either stopping to sign up for raids or looking for a new guild if things don't improve. Some folks hate our management/me after being removed from the raiding team, other understand and try to improve.
Since you referred to the RS->UFII event, let me clarify: Unforgiven II was formed with new policies in place to correct some fairly serious officer problems we had in RS. If you'd consider that almost the entire guild bar ~10 people (mainly those who were the cause of the problems, and some of them did apply later) left RS and joined Unforgiven II, (including the GM, i was Co-GM) then i'd say the numbers speak for themselves.
Some of our members even date back as long as 4 years ago. Some of them members, some officers. If i really am such a terrible GM then why would they bother and how did we manage to be on such good terms with the other SA guilds on TH, with fair 25m progress?
In closing:
Let's be reasonable. No one could've known which guild i'm affiliated with by just looking at my post and very few if anyone uses the same WoW char name as forum name, so that argument doesn't fly.
Why then did i start the thread?
The thread on the Prophecy forums have died out / is obsolete and nowhere is an updated list to be found of what SA guilds are currently out there. Adding info as to their progress makes it more useful since it's the first question people ask. This post and some of the comments got me wondering if there were established SA guilds that i wasn't aware of.
I didn't mean to start a pissing contest here and will remove the progression kills from the list if requested.
Thanks for the input thus far.
Anyone could say anything about anyone, whether it's true or not. Just because you, (a new anon poster) say i'm a jerk it doesn't mean jack. What do you have to prove by pointing out where our guild was or is now? Relevance, your honour?
Should i have masked my identity and posted under another name because someone might just decide to armory my forum name and deduce which guild i am?
You and many others don't seem to realize what goes into making a 25m raiding guild work.
Over the time frame of a couple of years there will always be a few disgruntled ex-members. If there isn't, then you're either amazing or doing it wrong.
There's many aspects which the GM has to consider with for eg. 1 "problem member". Let's take the most common problem: Performance.
Jackrussel does 4000DPS less than the top DPSers in the raid.
CasterX fails to avoid Malleable Goo roughly every 2nd attempt.
*Malleable Goo looks like a bouncing green slime ball. Putricide randomly targets and tosses the goo to a ranged player. These cause 20,000 AoE damage on impact, and slow attack/cast speeds by 200% on impact. Easily avoidable by moving out of the way of the goo.
I can't have those two folks continue to raid and be the cause of wipe after wipe on say Putricide, so put yourself in the guild leader's place and imagine what motivated him or her to do things that way. Just like in a sports team or company, those who aren't capable have to make way for others who are. If raiding spots isn't based on merit, then i want no part of it. (PS. This policy is the reason why RS -> UFII)
Is it fun to tell someone that he/she has to be replaced? No, it's terrible - but avoiding it will lead to the good raiders getting frustrated and either stopping to sign up for raids or looking for a new guild if things don't improve. Some folks hate our management/me after being removed from the raiding team, other understand and try to improve.
Since you referred to the RS->UFII event, let me clarify: Unforgiven II was formed with new policies in place to correct some fairly serious officer problems we had in RS. If you'd consider that almost the entire guild bar ~10 people (mainly those who were the cause of the problems, and some of them did apply later) left RS and joined Unforgiven II, (including the GM, i was Co-GM) then i'd say the numbers speak for themselves.
Some of our members even date back as long as 4 years ago. Some of them members, some officers. If i really am such a terrible GM then why would they bother and how did we manage to be on such good terms with the other SA guilds on TH, with fair 25m progress?
In closing:
Let's be reasonable. No one could've known which guild i'm affiliated with by just looking at my post and very few if anyone uses the same WoW char name as forum name, so that argument doesn't fly.
Why then did i start the thread?
The thread on the Prophecy forums have died out / is obsolete and nowhere is an updated list to be found of what SA guilds are currently out there. Adding info as to their progress makes it more useful since it's the first question people ask. This post and some of the comments got me wondering if there were established SA guilds that i wasn't aware of.
I didn't mean to start a pissing contest here and will remove the progression kills from the list if requested.
Thanks for the input thus far.
@Cynicster
I'm a Amstel man myself. A good beer drinker needs Disaster Recovery plans in place, so failing the availability of Amstel, I would settle for Windhoek
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@ethereal1412
I can't dispute your statements. It's not just me who has been burnt by Conack in the past. You will find in WoW that a lot of people who have never met each other personally can develop friendships that develop into real-life friendships. These friends I have made in WoW have stuck together in WoW and always seem to be moving to the same guilds wether we were on US or EU servers. Now I won't give their in-game names away, that's not ethical, but we all share this one common view of Conack and sadly it's not a nice view.
@Tinuva
News at 11. This just in. Wall of text hater quotes wall of text. Wall is now taller. Experts at the Wall-o-Text Institute have described this phenomenon "ironic and baffling, yet curiously idiotic".
I'm a Amstel man myself. A good beer drinker needs Disaster Recovery plans in place, so failing the availability of Amstel, I would settle for Windhoek
.@ethereal1412
I can't dispute your statements. It's not just me who has been burnt by Conack in the past. You will find in WoW that a lot of people who have never met each other personally can develop friendships that develop into real-life friendships. These friends I have made in WoW have stuck together in WoW and always seem to be moving to the same guilds wether we were on US or EU servers. Now I won't give their in-game names away, that's not ethical, but we all share this one common view of Conack and sadly it's not a nice view.
@Tinuva
News at 11. This just in. Wall of text hater quotes wall of text. Wall is now taller. Experts at the Wall-o-Text Institute have described this phenomenon "ironic and baffling, yet curiously idiotic".
Tinuva
The Magician
Not entirely true, sometimes maybe I might have said things that are not 100% true but then it wasn't even the main point of the post, however people want to use anything to say someone is wrong or unskilled ect. Sadly my post count is something built up over years and not even to do with my trying to post that much. Also I really couldn't care less if that give me a reputation or not. As for how many times? Probably can count it on one hand
Also, how does age have anything to do with this? You would probably surprised. Just remember, I am not the one here slandering anyone's name. Sure this person might have done things these people didn't like or they weren't exactly included in his plans for what he wants to accomplish in this game, I still don't see why they should slander his name?
Just ask yourselves, what kind of person does that? I believe most of the time you will find it is someone who happens to not being able to deal with the issues and as such they are trying to inflict more damage to the person who they feel offended them in some or other way. Doesn't say much of that person's attitude if you ask me, and thus in this case I still think Connack is a better person than Hijax, and yes Connack might not be the best person out there, so just think what that says about Hijax...
Whether your statement is related to the main point of the thread/post or not matters not; you should still check your facts before stating them publicly to avoid spreading incorrect information, even if you can correct yourself afterwards. It's common sense.
How useful would a dictionary be if half the information in it was inaccurate because the editors didn't care to check it?
My apologies for derailing the thread with my remark aimed at you, I'm sure you're a nice guy and all, but you seriously need to check what you write before posting because the statement I originally quoted clearly was a case of the pot calling the kettle black...
ethereal1412
New Member
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This thread had me curious when I first read it, and though it would be useful information for a player like me to see the active guilds out there, as I'm not sure if the one on Prophecy is up to date?
I just don't understand why the /hate was discussed against a player which have no relevance with regards to the post. The heading I read is SA Guilds 2010, which I believe the intention was which active saffers are still playing. I could not care less who is a crap GM, who's ***ick is bigger than others and yet players have to be personal (deal with it man, this was not the place?). Fact is from my point of view Conack started a thread showing us active saffers playing....bottom line.
/sight
I just don't understand why the /hate was discussed against a player which have no relevance with regards to the post. The heading I read is SA Guilds 2010, which I believe the intention was which active saffers are still playing. I could not care less who is a crap GM, who's ***ick is bigger than others and yet players have to be personal (deal with it man, this was not the place?). Fact is from my point of view Conack started a thread showing us active saffers playing....bottom line.
/sight
A wall of hate against one of the fairest GM's I know. Maybe give an explanation of the incident that left you so bitter? Your not going to make Conack seem like a bad guy by just describing what you think of him. Tell us what happened!
Ok then, after reading this thread, DONT ROLL A TOON ON CHROMAGGUS! LOL
A wall of hate against one of the fairest GM's I know. Maybe give an explanation of the incident that left you so bitter? Your not going to make Conack seem like a bad guy by just describing what you think of him. Tell us what happened!
Kobie
Fairest GM's you know? He aint snow-effing-white u know! lol
Do you perform oral on Conack? Just thought i would ask.
You are delusional, the dude clearly has a bad rep! Get with the program or stop sniffing bumbum, wipe the poo off your nose!
Being the instigator for more than one unnecessary guild split that involves some south africans being left in the cold, his bad rep will live on unless he changes his Nick!
This is getting interesting. This makes me happy.
Okay, Conack. Firstly you try to hide who you really are by saying "Let's be reasonable. No one could've known which guild i'm affiliated with by just looking at my post and very few if anyone uses the same WoW char name as forum name, so that argument doesn't fly". Since in the same post you happen mention you were in Rez Sickness. "Unforgiven II was formed with new policies in place to correct some fairly serious officer problems we had in RS". Do we need to call Horatio Cane or can I have my own Yeeeeeeaaaaaahhhhhooooowww moment?
Then! Oh my my! Then! One of your lackeys/fanbooi's comes out of the woodwork in support of you in the form of kobie. I think we've established who you are by now.
Then you plead your sad case about how hard it is to make a 25 man guild work. Didn't Blizz solve that with the new charity epics? All I really have to do is post a gearscore or 5100 and lets raid.
If your raid wipes because 2 people are down, as you put in your example, I think you failed as a raid leader. Seriously. 25 mans can be down to 10 people and the boss is only on 50% HP. I think you need to L2RaidComposition. Either that or your friends list is too short to make a 25 man raid, since as previously mentioned and experienced by me, only your friends got to raid constantly.
I find it rather strange and almost wierdly cosmic that 3 people on this thread just happen to know exactly who you are.
Oh and riddle me this... Why were you pugging ToC 25 man so much if your guild was so successful? Now don't give me the whole "we had moved onto ICC" crap. Shouldn't you be running lesser geared guildies/alts instead of raiding with strangers? I mean, a good GM would never do this.
BTW, greetings from Awakened Guardians. I didnt like you from then either.
Okay, Conack. Firstly you try to hide who you really are by saying "Let's be reasonable. No one could've known which guild i'm affiliated with by just looking at my post and very few if anyone uses the same WoW char name as forum name, so that argument doesn't fly". Since in the same post you happen mention you were in Rez Sickness. "Unforgiven II was formed with new policies in place to correct some fairly serious officer problems we had in RS". Do we need to call Horatio Cane or can I have my own Yeeeeeeaaaaaahhhhhooooowww moment?
Then! Oh my my! Then! One of your lackeys/fanbooi's comes out of the woodwork in support of you in the form of kobie. I think we've established who you are by now.
Then you plead your sad case about how hard it is to make a 25 man guild work. Didn't Blizz solve that with the new charity epics? All I really have to do is post a gearscore or 5100 and lets raid.
If your raid wipes because 2 people are down, as you put in your example, I think you failed as a raid leader. Seriously. 25 mans can be down to 10 people and the boss is only on 50% HP. I think you need to L2RaidComposition. Either that or your friends list is too short to make a 25 man raid, since as previously mentioned and experienced by me, only your friends got to raid constantly.
I find it rather strange and almost wierdly cosmic that 3 people on this thread just happen to know exactly who you are.
Oh and riddle me this... Why were you pugging ToC 25 man so much if your guild was so successful? Now don't give me the whole "we had moved onto ICC" crap. Shouldn't you be running lesser geared guildies/alts instead of raiding with strangers? I mean, a good GM would never do this.
BTW, greetings from Awakened Guardians. I didnt like you from then either.
Yikes man Conack, wtf did you do?
Lemme first say that, in my current guild, I am the *******.
It is my designated role. I am the officer that you get to deal with when the other 2 fail.
Everyone KNOWS I'm an *******. I excel at being an *******.
If the new hunter in the guild performs badly in the other officer's raids, they try to re-teach him, explain more to him, etc.
I'm that ******* that straight up tells you, "You dont belong in here, youre out, and dont dare to even speak to me again about coming here unless youve pulled your thumb out your behind" [paraphrase].
Its not that I'm an ******* by nature, its just that I'm the only officer left that doesnt mind playing the *******. Every guild needs an *******, because there simply comes a point where being nice and supportive doesnt cut it anymore.
Now I have to say... in all my 5-6 years of playing WoW... Only 2 people I have ever reprimanded quit the guild. And they came back and apologized.
My point?
WTF DID YOU DO TO CHEESE PEOPLE OFF AS BAD AS YOU HAVE?!
I have told guys that I need to speak to their mothers about getting a very late abortion, and today they LOVE ME FOR IT!
HOW BAD DID YOU SCREW UP MAN?!
Maybe its time you just admit to your mistakes, whatever they may be, and maybe (just maybe) people might not only forgive you for them but actually appreciate you because of them.
Now, I'm just looking at all this from an outsider's point of view, as I have no friggin clue who any of you are in any case (I play US servers).
But if you really run your guild on the basis of "youre a nice guy, you should raid with me more", basically pulling ahead your friends and anyone brown-nosing it through... thats truely shoddy mate.
Lemme first say that, in my current guild, I am the *******.
It is my designated role. I am the officer that you get to deal with when the other 2 fail.
Everyone KNOWS I'm an *******. I excel at being an *******.
If the new hunter in the guild performs badly in the other officer's raids, they try to re-teach him, explain more to him, etc.
I'm that ******* that straight up tells you, "You dont belong in here, youre out, and dont dare to even speak to me again about coming here unless youve pulled your thumb out your behind" [paraphrase].
Its not that I'm an ******* by nature, its just that I'm the only officer left that doesnt mind playing the *******. Every guild needs an *******, because there simply comes a point where being nice and supportive doesnt cut it anymore.
Now I have to say... in all my 5-6 years of playing WoW... Only 2 people I have ever reprimanded quit the guild. And they came back and apologized.
My point?
WTF DID YOU DO TO CHEESE PEOPLE OFF AS BAD AS YOU HAVE?!
I have told guys that I need to speak to their mothers about getting a very late abortion, and today they LOVE ME FOR IT!
HOW BAD DID YOU SCREW UP MAN?!
Maybe its time you just admit to your mistakes, whatever they may be, and maybe (just maybe) people might not only forgive you for them but actually appreciate you because of them.
Now, I'm just looking at all this from an outsider's point of view, as I have no friggin clue who any of you are in any case (I play US servers).
But if you really run your guild on the basis of "youre a nice guy, you should raid with me more", basically pulling ahead your friends and anyone brown-nosing it through... thats truely shoddy mate.
hehehe, I think you guys made the point.
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