SA Politics Thread Part 10 : The GNU Has Crashed

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  • The internal dissatisfaction with MK Party secretary-general Floyd Shivambu is no longer just political corridor talk.
  • The ructions find expression in a 29-page document supported by an influential bloc of mostly traditional leaders who want Shivambu removed from the top position.
  • The document, among other things, calls for regional "consultative" conferences and the revival of the feared iMbokodo unit.
The mutiny in the MK Party against secretary-general Floyd Shivambu is gaining momentum.
A document circulating among party structures proposes that the top leadership be “reshuffled”.
The proverbial knives have been out for Shivambu since February, when Duduzile Zuma-Sambudla fired a series of X posts, questioning Shivambu’s leadership and calling him the “worst” thing to happen to the party.
Now, a document titled “MKP turnaround strategy: reconnecting with our founding principles” is circulating among the party’s upper echelons.

Without naming him, the document proposes that Shivambu be removed as secretary-general.
A faction with mostly traditional leaders supports the proposals in the document, including the call for traditional leader and former MK Party MPL Nduna Phumlani Mfeka to replace Shivambu.
Mfeka, who is close to Zuma, resigned from the MKP and from Parliament earlier this year but rejoined the party a few days ago at the request of traditional leaders.
Traditional leaders’ dissatisfaction centres on how the party, whose base is in KwaZulu-Natal, has allegedly been steered away from its values, which place traditional leadership at the centre.

Approached for comment, MK Party spokesperson Nhlamulo Ndhlela said: “Unfortunately, we don’t discuss rumours of internal matters with the media.”
Other proposed new leaders include Dr Khanyisile Litchfield-Tshabalala as the deputy national chair, Khabo Nene as deputy secretary-general, and advocate Busisiwe Mkhwebane as treasurer-general.
The current, unelected top structure of the MKP comprises Zuma, Ndhlela, Shivambu, national chairperson Nkosinathi Nhleko, deputy chairperson Sebiloane Mokotjo, deputy secretary-general Nombuso Mkhize, treasurer-general Mpiyakhe Limba, national organiser Joe Ndhlela and head of Presidency Magasela Mzobe.
Mzobe’s future isn’t spared either.
The document reads: “It is proposed that changes [be] made in the Head of Presidency, national chairperson, secretary-general and deputy secretary-general positions. It is also proposed that there be changes in the National High Command (NHC) with people who have experience and knowledge of ground forces, to be deployed to the NHC.”
A source said Zuma is out of the country until next week and there is an air of expectation that Shivambu’s future could be discussed on his return.
Among other things, the 29-page document proposes the rebirth of the notorious iMbokodo unit, historically associated with the ANC and MK, to identify internal and external threats.
This unit was known for brutally stifling mutiny in the ANC.

The document notes that internal feuds often stem from power “struggles and exclusivity by the leadership”.
It reads: “The MKP needs to adopt a more inclusive leadership approach, where diverse voices are heard, and decision-making is transparent and collective to the satisfaction of the supreme commander of the party, President Zuma. Ground forces are fully aware of members that are genuine, capable and committed and those who harbour intentions that are contrary to the mandate of the party.”

Some of the proposals include:

- The establishment of the MKP royal council to represent monarchs and royals, which will process all documents produced by the MKP before dissemination to the party’s lower structures;
- The formalisation of the Umkhonto Business Movement;
- Hosting regional consultative conferences throughout the country to allow members to voice their grievances to the national and provincial leadership and discuss the 2026 elections campaign;
- Reviving all MKP traditions and culture, motorcades, meet and greets, mini-rallies, “Green Fridays”, ward clean-up campaigns; and
- The party’s communications must be bolstered, with influencers deployed in preparation of the 2026 local government elections.
The document proposes that the new leaders “re-authorise” the party’s provincial detachments to manage bank accounts and finances in their provinces.
“This should be done with all expenditure reports submitted to the treasurer-general’s office and approval given to the province in writing before payments are made,” the document said.
“No form of expenditure incurred or to be incurred by the MKP must occur without prior consultation with the treasurer-general’s office.”
MKP supporters and known members openly attack Shivambu on social media, signalling that he isn’t the most popular leader in the party.
Shivambu was slapped with an unprecedented public condemnation by his own party after appearing at the church of Malawian fugitive Shepherd Bushiri during Easter.
The South African government also announced its displeasure at his association with Bushiri.
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TheChamp said:
Huawei had a private BEE partner if I remember correctly, the Chinese mining and construction companies also have BEE partners. Even that cement company @Blu82 was talking about most probably has a BEE partner.
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Quick check seems to indicate Huawei bee partner was nulane investments which seems to be a Gupta front company

So yes private, but dodgy and connected AF
 
TheChamp said:
Huawei had a private BEE partner if I remember correctly, the Chinese mining and construction companies also have BEE partners. Even that cement company @Blu82 was talking about most probably has a BEE partner.
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I will take the bait;

BAIC, brought in the CDC as a partner. This involved the CDC spending hundreds of millions of taxpayer money to assist in building this "billion dollar" facility. You would think this is great, seeing the gov parading etc when it opened its doors. I do have some points on this and I would appreciate your view on it:

- Less than 500 cars assembled (they make nothing here, simply put cars together like lego pieces). How has this helped our economy?
- Staff compliment of, and I am going to be generous here, 100 people? (They say 113 but hey, I would go check it out for yourself). How many of these are South Africans?

My problem here is they still show it off like it is a major success but we bled money here and really have nothing to show for it. You seen the pictures posted, do you think that is what a billion dollar factory looks like?

In all of the gloating twitter posts and news articles, have you seen the facility running? People working on a production line? No, because it simply does not happen. But China good, German bad!

If BAIC closed up shop tomorrow we would not notice a difference. Have VW close and you kill an entire town, same with Mercedes. There is a massive difference between what the Chinese have brought to the table compared to their German counterparts. So yes, I do understand their frustration with the Chinese. They have been given the golden ticket into South Africa on the premise we (S.A) will "score big".

Links:
Taxpayer bills...
Production numbers...
 
Cav5034 said:
I will take the bait;

BAIC, brought in the CDC as a partner. This involved the CDC spending hundreds of millions of taxpayer money to assist in building this "billion dollar" facility. You would think this is great, seeing the gov parading etc when it opened its doors. I do have some points on this and I would appreciate your view on it:

- Less than 500 cars assembled (they make nothing here, simply put cars together like lego pieces). How has this helped our economy?
- Staff compliment of, and I am going to be generous here, 100 people? (They say 113 but hey, I would go check it out for yourself). How many of these are South Africans?

My problem here is they still show it off like it is a major success but we bled money here and really have nothing to show for it. You seen the pictures posted, do you think that is what a billion dollar factory looks like?

In all of the gloating twitter posts and news articles, have you seen the facility running? People working on a production line? No, because it simply does not happen. But China good, German bad!

If BAIC closed up shop tomorrow we would not notice a difference. Have VW close and you kill an entire town, same with Mercedes. There is a massive difference between what the Chinese have brought to the table compared to their German counterparts. So yes, I do understand their frustration with the Chinese. They have been given the golden ticket into South Africa on the premise we (S.A) will "score big".

Links:
Taxpayer bills...
Production numbers...
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Was about to post this.

One hardly ever sees a BAIC vehicle in traffic: not even within the factory parking lot itself are there more than 5 the last time I looked. And the few that are seen in traffic (on the N2 towards Coega) are being driven by employees to- and from work.

FACT: Only 300 cars produced in 6 years (Aug 2024)!
 
Supervan II said:
Was about to post this.

One hardly ever sees a BAIC vehicle in traffic: not even within the factory parking lot itself are there more than 5 the last time I looked. And the few that are seen in traffic (on the N2 towards Coega) are being driven by employees to- and from work.

FACT: Only 300 cars produced in 6 years (Aug 2024)!
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That is why it's called an investment,, at the right time it will yield results.

I even foresee in the not so distant future some of those moaning companies outsourcing the manufacturing to the Chinese.
 
Cav5034 said:
I will take the bait;

BAIC, brought in the CDC as a partner. This involved the CDC spending hundreds of millions of taxpayer money to assist in building this "billion dollar" facility. You would think this is great, seeing the gov parading etc when it opened its doors. I do have some points on this and I would appreciate your view on it:

- Less than 500 cars assembled (they make nothing here, simply put cars together like lego pieces). How has this helped our economy?
- Staff compliment of, and I am going to be generous here, 100 people? (They say 113 but hey, I would go check it out for yourself). How many of these are South Africans?

My problem here is they still show it off like it is a major success but we bled money here and really have nothing to show for it. You seen the pictures posted, do you think that is what a billion dollar factory looks like?

In all of the gloating twitter posts and news articles, have you seen the facility running? People working on a production line? No, because it simply does not happen. But China good, German bad!

If BAIC closed up shop tomorrow we would not notice a difference. Have VW close and you kill an entire town, same with Mercedes. There is a massive difference between what the Chinese have brought to the table compared to their German counterparts. So yes, I do understand their frustration with the Chinese. They have been given the golden ticket into South Africa on the premise we (S.A) will "score big".

Links:
Taxpayer bills...
Production numbers...
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I wouldn't understand why anyone would compare Baic with VW or Mercedes, companies that have been here for decades.

Relax and give it time, Rome was never built in a day, allow the Chinese to cook.
 
TheChamp said:
I wouldn't understand why anyone would compare Baic with VW or Mercedes, companies that have been here for decades.

Relax and give it time, Rome was never built in a day, allow the Chinese to cook.
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LOL. Ever hear of the term Return on Investment (ROI)?????

That company is losing MILLIONS daily - it just cannot be economically feasible, let alone viable. They need to produce AT LEAST 300 vehicles A DAY, EVERY DAY.

Someone (read: us taxpayers) is footing the bill to keep that company afloat.
 
TelkomUseless said:
And how much do they invest in SA ? Compared to USA...
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India, Germany, the United Kingdom, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Malaysia, Maldives, Bolivia and Namibia's estimated annual inflows range from $3.35 to $8.13 billion compared to $0.5–1 billion from the USA.
 
ToxicBunny said:
So put some numbers down, how much income and what volume of assets matters, also is there a time frame around the asset acquisition etc?
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Income > R5 million a year.

Assests worth more than R10 million.

As I stated, the focus should be on apartheid aquired wealth and corruption aquired wealth so the time frame would span some time back.

And the wealth tax would not be permanent, just until the inequality is leveled a bit. The funds would go towards schools, funding startups from previously disadvantaged individuals and or communities, healthcare facilities, and so on.

We would of course need a different government in charge to do with the funds what they are intended for.
 
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