SA Politics Thread Part 10 : The GNU Has Crashed

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Captain Slog said:
It astounds me that people can still think like he appears to. I am sure he is just a troll or someone trying to undermine the reputation of the ANC. I pondered the last option and decided that it was not it, they are doing a sterling job themselves already!
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You would be surprised what people will believe to the core of their being when they are avoiding any level of responsibility for a situation.
 
Lupus said:
It's easier and much more relaxing to just put him on ignore, the more who do, the more he'll just be talking to an empty space.
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Correct, if you put 3 members on ignore, you basically have your braai group and then you guys can sing your version of kumbaya and be happy in your own echo chamber.
 
Lupus said:
It's easier and much more relaxing to just put him on ignore, the more who do, the more he'll just be talking to an empty space.
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Those who "enjoy" engaging with him are the opposites of his coin. The rest of us can ignore his racist rants without the need to put him on ignore because trolls are obvious but seems other trolls love engaging trolls. Who knew.
 
Lupus said:
It's easier and much more relaxing to just put him on ignore, the more who do, the more he'll just be talking to an empty space.
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In my experience if you put people on ignore threads become confusing because when you read a reply to an un-quoted post it makes little sense. It is hard enough to filter out all the petty squabbles among posters here - they remind me of the old news24 comment section.
 
Sideshow Bob said:
Correct, if you put 3 members on ignore, you basically have your braai group and then you guys can sing your version of kumbaya and be happy in your own echo chamber.
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Sorry what, you're on ignore :-P. Nah the only user I've got on ignore is that wally.
 
R13... said:
Those who "enjoy" engaging with him are the opposites of his coin. The rest of us can ignore his racist rants without the need to put him on ignore because trolls are obvious but seems other trolls love engaging trolls. Who knew.
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Not sure if it's enjoyment though, though masochists do exist :-)
 
Sideshow Bob said:
Correct, if you put 3 members on ignore, you basically have your braai group and then you guys can sing your version of kumbaya and be happy in your own echo chamber.
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Oof, the victimhood is strong hey? Did the planned offensive against the Afrikaner/Muslim coalition not work out well?
 
Sideshow Bob said:
Correct, if you put 3 members on ignore, you basically have your braai group and then you guys can sing your version of kumbaya and be happy in your own echo chamber.
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It has nothing to do with an echo chamber but rather the mentality. It's hard to debate, as well as read ad nauseum, someone like @MalcomZ, that blames everything on a specific event that ended 30 and change years ago... Apartheid did untold harm and its effects are still felt but it is not a crutch that gets to be used into perpetuity. It's even harder, though, having a debate with someone like @TheChamp who will accept and champion self-defeating fiscal policies because a particular party is seen to lose. It is neanderthal mentality...

There will always be inequality to various degrees. Prosperous nations suffer its effects too but they don't go batshit and regulate the redistribution of wealth or completely ignore sensible alternatives. They get on with creating new wealth and actually providing services for their citizens in some tangible manner, not populist rhetoric.
 
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Sideshow Bob said:
Correct, if you put 3 members on ignore, you basically have your braai group and then you guys can sing your version of kumbaya and be happy in your own echo chamber.
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That's why you choose the people you put on ignore carefully, the last thing you want is having a bunch of useless people there who cannot even braai.
 
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Captain Slog said:
In my experience if you put people on ignore threads become confusing because when you read a reply to an un-quoted post it makes little sense. It is hard enough to filter out all the petty squabbles among posters here - they remind me of the old news24 comment section.
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To be fair and true, most engagements here are petty squabbles. Not just this thread.
 
fwdeklerk.org

ELECTORAL REFORM CONSULTATION PANEL MAKES PUBLIC PRELIMINARY RECOMMENDATIONS, THE FW DE KLERK FOUNDATION ASKS FOR MORE SINGLE MEMBER CONSTITUENCIES (SMCs) - FW de Klerk Foundation

The Electoral Reform Consultation Panel tabled its three preliminary recommendations today on how South Africa’s present 100% Proportional Representation electoral system for national and provincial elections should be reformed and may impact the 2029 election.
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I found this via Linkedin. Apparently the following are the recommendations the Electoral Reform Panel has:
First, a variation of the current system with 200 seats distributed across nine Multi-Member Constituencies (“MMCs”) and 200 compensatory seats (“PR seats”) to ensure PR, together making up Parliament’s National Assembly’s 400 seats. “However, this option is not favoured by the Foundation, because it will discourage micro political parties, still creates a large distance between elected representatives and voters and makes it very difficult for individual candidates to contest,” states Daniela Ellerbeck, an attorney and the FW de Klerk Foundation’s Constitutional Rights Programmes Manager.
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This is basically the system we had for last year's elections.
Second, 200 seats distributed across 41 MMCs in proportion to the number of registered voters in each constituency (possibly using existing municipal and district boundaries) and 200 PR seats. “While the smaller size of the MMCs would create a closer direct link between voters and their elected representatives, it would allow more than one political party to represent a constituency and may still water down accountability and make it difficult to assess the performance of individual representatives,” explains Shanees Nkandu, an intern at the Foundation.
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It's a compromise option between the other two.
Third, and finally, the Panel recommended 200 Single Member Constituencies (“SMCs”) seats and 200 PR seats. “The Foundation has always supported SMCs, because this option brings voters the closest to their elected representative as there is only one elected representative per constituency,” states Ellerbeck. “This makes it easier for the voter to evaluate their representative’s performance and makes the representative more accountable and responsive to voters. However, the Foundation has asked for 250 SMCs with 150 PR seats from the start. We believe the 250 v 200 SMC seats will bring the increase in accountability, responsiveness and openness required by the Constitution,” explains Ellerbeck.
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Similar to our municipal election system.
 
Hush9300 said:
It has nothing to do with an echo chamber but rather the mentality. It's hard to debate, as well as read ad nauseum, with someone like @MalcomZ, that blames everything on a specific event that ended 30 and change years ago... Apartheid did untold harm and its effects are still felt but it is not a crutch that gets to be used into perpetuity. It's even harder, though, having a debate with someone like @TheChamp who will accept and champion self-defeating fiscal policies because a particular party is seen to lose. It is neanderthal mentality...

There will always be inequality to various degrees. Prosperous nations suffer its effects too but they don't go batshit and regulate the redistribution of wealth or completely ignore sensible alternatives. They get on with creating new wealth and actually providing services for their citizens in some tangible manner, not populist rhetoric.
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I keep confusing you with HAL 900 or something, LOL.

In any case, most of this thread is people having a go at TheChamp and Malcolm. If they're such bad trolls why does everyone put so much energy tagging them and debating them? @TheChamp is actually a reasonable fellow who believes what he does and most of the time he gives the trolls as good as he gets and that seems to infuriate them so they tag him some more. He remains undefeated. Malcom is just a racist troll that is best ignored.
 
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