SA Politics Thread Part 12

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Mariner said:
No, there are no paramilitary forces in the SA Constitution. The SAPS mandate is policing within the borders of SA using minimum force to safeguard life. They have jurisdiction over civilians and powers of arrest.

The SANDF mandate is to respond to threats to the sovereignty of the Republic. They use maximum force to safeguard the Republic. That's why the police do not have cannons, missiles, submarines and fighter jets. The SANDF has no jurisdiction over civilians unless a state of emergency is declared. They have no powers of arrest above the powers of a citizen's arrest.

If the SANDF is deployed to assist the SAPS without a state of emergency, they are under the direct control of the SAPS.
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That answers the question posed by the gentleman.
 
TheChamp said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1994368242182398182
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Marching to Pretoria - Song by The Weavers (1960)​

Row, row, row your boat, gently down the stream
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, life is but a dream

Sing with me, I'll sing with you (row, row, row your boat)
And so we will sing together (gently down the stream)
So we will sing together (merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily)
So we will sing together (life is but a dream)
Sing with me, I'll sing with you (row, row, row your boat)
And so we will sing together (gently down the stream)
As we march along (merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily life is but a dream)

We are marching to Pretoria, Pretoria, Pretoria
We are marching to Pretoria, Pretoria, hooray!

I'm gonna talk about marching to Pretoria
As the Pretoria is the administrative capital of South Africa
And that's a pretty poor start for a song right there
It was named after ol' Andries Pretorius
Who was a prominent Boer of his time
His son was of even bigger Boer, got to be the first Prime Minister
There's been a lot of marching going on down there
We found that the song, that of course, it's wonderful to sing
About as easy as row, row, row your boat
If you like to join with us, to see what we can do

We are marching to Pretoria, Pretoria, Pretoria
We are marching to Pretoria, Pretoria, hooray!

Walk with me, I'll walk with you
And so we will walk together
So we will walk together, so we will walk together
Walk with me, I'll walk with you
And so we will walk together
As we march along

We are marching to Pretoria, Pretoria, Pretoria
We are marching to Pretoria, Pretoria, hooray!

Dance with me, I'll dance with you (dance with me, and I'll dance with you)
And so we will dance together (and then go dance, we dance)
So we will dance together, so we will dance together (we go dancing all along)
Dance with me, I'll dance with you (dance with me, and I'll dance with you)
And so we will dance together (and we'll go dance, we dance all along)
As we march along

We are marching to Pretoria, Pretoria, Pretoria
We are marching to Pretoria, Pretoria, hooray!

Drink with me, I'll drink with you (drink with me, I'll drink with you)
And so we will drink together
So we will drink together, so we will drink together (and we will drink as we go along)
Drink with me, I'll drink with you (if you drink with me, I'll drink with you)
(And we will get soldering to Pretoria) as we march along

We are marching to Pretoria, Pretoria, Pretoria
We are marching to Pretoria, Pretoria, hooray! (One, four)
We are marching to Pretoria, Pretoria, Pretoria
We are marching to Pretoria, Pretoria, hooray!

We got some drink and water back there
If you all get thirsty, they taste like water anyway
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Mista_Mobsta said:
As much as I appreciate SA's push for a broader diplomatic base, we have to be careful when bedding the PRC. Labor importation and hefty penalties on SLA's are among some of their more well known "interesting" business tactics...ask Namibia, Kenya, Botswana and Uganda.
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If there is one thing I have learnt, and my wife as well, being we both work and have worked with the Chinese, in vastly different industries, is that they absolutely HATE paying money. It is a never ending struggle with them. They also like to go through any and every single hoop there is to avoid it, and want unrealistic returns at the same time.
 
ForceFate said:
Are there provisions for paramilitary forces in our constitution?
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Commando's had to have been legal as they existed all the way to 2003 ..
Cant really fit your definition as they were a regular organised force with a legitimate control structure part of the SANDF. Just mostly civilian
And even today there are civilian volunteers in the army
 
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I M D said:
Commando's had to have been legal as they existed all the way to 2003 ..
Cant really fit your definition as they were a regular organised force with a legitimate control structure part of the SANDF. Just mostly civilian
And even today there are civilian volunteers in the army
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Actually, the constitution was cited as one of the reasons for disbanding them.
 
I M D said:
Commando's had to have been legal as they existed all the way to 2003 ..
Cant really fit your definition as they were a regular organised force with a legitimate control structure part of the SANDF. Just mostly civilian
And even today there are civilian volunteers in the army
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The structure itself as a reserve force of the SANDF could have bern legal, it is how it operated that I am questioning, being repurposed to perform policing duties does not sound like something that could fly if it was ever challenged.
 
Mista_Mobsta said:
As much as I appreciate SA's push for a broader diplomatic base, we have to be careful when bedding the PRC. Labor importation and hefty penalties on SLA's are among some of their more well known "interesting" business tactics...ask Namibia, Kenya, Botswana and Uganda.
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The Chinese are fixing the country, the food might be soggy and unappealing, but allow them to cook.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1994282867073978631
 
TheChamp said:
The structure itself as a reserve force of the SANDF could have bern legal, it is how it operated that I am questioning, being repurposed to perform policing duties does not sound like something that could fly if it was ever challenged.
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Like now, army can assist saps, but there is a process to follow to make it legal
 
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