SA Politics Thread Part 12

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Inertia said:
Wrong, they abstain from by-elections. Instead they are trying to buy-elections
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Just like the DA, they are selective on which by elections they contest, the reason they won a ward in the NW is because they competed in a by election.
 
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Vox Populi Vox Dei said:
Actually the one feature of ASA post 2024 is their complete avoidance of almost all by-elections. Remind me, when did they last compete in a Tshwane by-election?
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Complete avoidance of almost all by elections, you know you are contradicting yourself, right?

I have no idea when last they competed in Tshwane, the DA also avoids some by elections, why is that?
 
TheChamp said:
Complete avoidance of almost all by elections, you know you are contradicting yourself, right?

I have no idea when last they competed in Tshwane, the DA also avoids some by elections, why is that?
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Not really. Perhaps it was poorly phrased but you know what I mean about ASA avoiding almost all by-elections.

Here's the answer: they've avoid all Tshwane by-elections, including in some wards where they came a (distant) 2nd to the DA. The DA avoids all by-elections where they have no presence, which is understandable.
 
Vox Populi Vox Dei said:
Not really. Perhaps it was poorly phrased but you know what I mean about ASA avoiding almost all by-elections.

Here's the answer: they've avoid all Tshwane by-elections, including in some wards where they came a (distant) 2nd to the DA. The DA avoids all by-elections where they have no presence, which is understandable.
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Both avoid certain by elections for their own reasons, unless you are a member or supporter of ActionSA, it's really not required to understand or agree with their reasons, whatever they are.
 
TheChamp said:
Both avoid certain by elections for their own reasons, unless you are a member or supporter of ActionSA, it's really not required to understand or agree with their reasons, whatever they are.
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avoid certain by-elections is a bit optimistic in terms of ASA, they avoid almost ALL by-elections.
 
Gold Boom Spurs Miners to Dig for the Mother Lode

Nice article on the mining industry in SA...but also on the complete failure of the ANC government to keep mining as a major sector in the SA economy.

JOHANNESBURG—For years, hundreds of illegal miners known locally as zama zamas prospected for gold on this patch of land on the outskirts of the city with hammers and chisels in hand-dug tunnels.

Now, the site has been transformed into South Africa’s first new underground gold mine in more than 15 years, part of a global rush to boost production of a metal trading at record prices.

“It looked like a Mad Max movie,” said Rudi Deysel, chief executive of West Wits Mining WWI 0.00%increase; green up pointing triangle, the Australian company that owns the mine. “I had to crawl on my stomach to go in there.”

Around $100 million of investment is pouring into the mine, where workers now sport hard hats, carry emergency breathing devices and use advanced drills and other equipment. The project, called Qala Shallows, recovered its first gold in October and is estimated to produce more than $4.5 billion of the metal at current market prices.
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In South Africa, the gold boom is breathing new life into an ailing sector. The country was the gold capital of the world for much of the 20th century, churning out nearly half the gold bullion and jewelry ever produced. But since 2007, South Africa has slid from its long-held position as the world’s No. 1 gold producer to No. 12 after struggling to attract investment.

Investors view South Africa’s aging, deep mines as dangerous, expensive and fraught with labor issues. Soaring wages—thanks largely to strong unions—and unmechanized operations make the cost of mining an ounce of gold in the country among the highest in the world.
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ForceFate said:
Reason could be financial.
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100%, could be a number of reasons, but if it were financial, then its a HUGE problem for the party in all honesty, and one that should see them bowing out of politics in general in my opinion.
 
ToxicBunny said:
100%, could be a number of reasons, but if it were financial, then its a HUGE problem for the party in all honesty, and one that should see them bowing out of politics in general in my opinion.
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I'm not at all suggesting they're going through financial challenges. Pehaps it's their new strategic direction, looking to focus their resources on certain areas.
 
ForceFate said:
I'm not at all suggesting they're going through financial challenges. Pehaps it's their new strategic direction, looking to focus their resources on certain areas.
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I know you aren't, I was merely positing the idea that if it was, it would be a big big problem for them.

Its hardly a new strategic direction though, its been the case since the last local elections at least from what I remember.
Again just positing, but if they are focusing their resources on certain areas, it seems odd that they are not focusing on the wards in the municipality where they have a mayor and probably the largest level of support for the party.
 
If I remember correctly from public disclosures, ASA was relying heavily on some very rich donors who usually split their donations to them and the DA. I suspect those donors haven't been all too impressed with Mashaba going off to the deep end and have likely cut off the spigot. Hence I believe ASA are struggling financially.
 
Vox Populi Vox Dei said:
If I remember correctly from public disclosures, ASA was relying heavily on some very rich donors who usually split their donations to them and the DA. I suspect those donors haven't been all too impressed with Mashaba going off to the deep end and have likely cut off the spigot. Hence I believe ASA are struggling financially.
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Being beholden to those donors is what caused them to embark on that ill fated Moonshot adventure, and being seen to be falling over themselves to be the DA's good boy is what cost them votes.

They will be just fine, the likes of UDM are surviving just fine, so while the millions from the DA donors are nice, it doesn't mean you can't run a party without them, ActionSA is in government, between what they receive money as one of the parties represented in government, money generate money through donations from their councillors and MPs as well as what they still get from donors, they should still be able to run the party
 
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