Samsung 46" Full HD Edge LED

Completely agree...

Also why I don't really ask anymore either.

But for the OP, Your best option is to go to a store and check the image on each tv that interests you. Its the only way you will decide. Paper specs actually mean nothing really these days... its all down to personal opinion.
 
Messugga said:
Buddy, I think a lot of people feel the same way, which is probably why a warning was handed out. I know, personally, that I've been looking at TVs and this entire subsection is basically useless to me since any queries I may have would be greeted by "PLASMAPLASMAPLASMAAAAA!!! *Froth at the mouth*", and thus I don't bother asking here. I've looked at plasma. I've looked at LCD. I've always preferred LCD and I reckon my word counts for something, since I used to work for Sony in the UK and have been exposed to a broad range of products. 6 years ago, lowerend LCD were rubbish, sure, but these days, even the so-called "entry level" units I see on the shelves, impress me quite a bit. Personally, I'm looking at rather splurging a bit more and getting a 120Hz model, but honestly, I don't feel that it makes that big a difference.

Also, don't discard Sony! In recent years, I've honestly been quite disappointed by them, but after having a gander at their offerings, they're an option too. Do yourself a favour and go to the Dions Wired in Woodmead and check out their display, since they have both SD and proper HD feeds running into their rather extensive collection on TVs. Honestly, with the FHD feeds they're pushing, there really isn't very much in it between the different sets. I find that the slightly higher end units, specifically LED-backlit ones, have imagery that pop a bit more, with especially animated (Yes, I know running Pixar films is cheating) looking especially vibrant. That may not be everyone's taste, though, and I for one am not sure how I feel about it just yet.
If you're going to be pushing 90% HD stuff, like I am, your choice is pretty simple in that you mostly need to consider only value-for-money. If you're going to be pushing a fair chunk of low quality DSTV garbage, then it becomes more tricky, as that is where the difference between most sets lie.

Anyway, like I used to tell my clients: Look at all the TVs and decide which ones you prefer. They can all be fantastic on paper, but that doesn't mean jack if they don't render the images in a pleasing manner.
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I don't uderstand the comment. If you are interested in purchasing a HDTV, and you have specific uses for the TV, then the appropriate advice is given. You contradict yourself referring to Plasma (froth at the mouth). You then too are not unbiased, but prefer LCD. Please note that from what is read here, barring a few digs, the information given is use orientated, and directed at clearing misconceptions. LCD / LEDLCD are marketed to extremes, which leaves the improved tech of Plasma out in the cold. In my personal experiences, i was purchasing an LCD for my brother, although i do prefer Plasma out of the 2, and the sales people were selling an elderly couple a LEDLCD for R17000. I asked her what she intends using the TV for, and she said, cricket and tennis. I showed her the plasma next door, which by chance was playing sport, and she was highly upset at the price difference and the quality improvement. My point from that story, is that i wouldn't have bothered, if the customer was a chap using the TV for PC monitor and gaming. Different Techs will have their followers, but don't discount or perch those that promote according to needs basis. Remember, the choice is ultimately yours.
 
B.O.F.H. said:
But for the OP, Your best option is to go to a store and check the image on each tv that interests you. Its the only way you will decide. Paper specs actually mean nothing really these days... its all down to personal opinion.
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The reason for this is because there are some factors which simply cannot be spec'd in an easy-to-understand manner for the consumer. These are things like the set's engine - the software that does the decoding of the image - which makes a huge difference, especially considering that a lot of panels on TVs from the different brands are actually the same thing. How do you measure how good a software engine is? It's very difficult.
Then there are things like the build quality of an item. Cheap is nice, but it's not always good. B&O are very expensive, very pleasing to look at from a design perspective and I'm sure their picture quality is superb, but all of that means nothing if the thing breaks within six months.

This is what I liked about the Sony's of old; sets like the Sony KDLL32MRX1 - arguably the best LCD I've ever laid my hands on. It was expensive at UKP3000, but it was a zero-compromise unit. It was heavy, it had a glass pane covering the LCD screen itself which was a nightmare in terms of glare, but it pretected the LCD screen very nicely. It had a bunch of extra's that were way ahead of its time and I never heard of a single one being brought back to a store, be it because the client was unhappy with picture quality or because it broke down.
These are all things you cannot stick in a brochure.
 
Wasp_21 said:
I don't uderstand the comment. If you are interested in purchasing a HDTV, and you have specific uses for the TV, then the appropriate advice is given. You contradict yourself referring to Plasma (froth at the mouth). You then too are not unbiased, but prefer LCD. Please note that from what is read here, barring a few digs, the information given is use orientated, and directed at clearing misconceptions. LCD / LEDLCD are marketed to extremes, which leaves the improved tech of Plasma out in the cold. In my personal experiences, i was purchasing an LCD for my brother, although i do prefer Plasma out of the 2, and the sales people were selling an elderly couple a LEDLCD for R17000. I asked her what she intends using the TV for, and she said, cricket and tennis. I showed her the plasma next door, which by chance was playing sport, and she was highly upset at the price difference and the quality improvement. My point from that story, is that i wouldn't have bothered, if the customer was a chap using the TV for PC monitor and gaming. Different Techs will have their followers, but don't discount or perch those that promote according to needs basis. Remember, the choice is ultimately yours.
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I'm not biased. I simply prefer the colours produced by LCD to those of plasma. If plasmas offer better colour reproduction than LCDs do (which they very well might), I'd go for that instead. I really couldn't be arsed which technology the TV I watch uses (I'd get a Panasonic plasma if I could track one down at a reasonable price, as apparently they're superb), as long as it's the best I can get for my money. Also, I'm all for pointing users to the correct technology for their needs, but once is enough. You cannot deny that when 90% of threads' content consists of which tech is better, LCD or plasma, nobody wins.

For the record, one of the best selling TVs back in the day, was the superb 42" plasma brother to the Sony KDLL32MRX1 and that was because we pushed the hell out of them. Again, I personally found its colour reproduction bland in comparison to the LCD, but a lot of people actually preferred it that way.
 
marine1 said:
http://www.thedigitalexperience.co....egory_id=133&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=249
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Fudzy said:
Wow R9999 is an incredible price for that set.

It's on promotion at Makro for R11,999

http://www.makro.co.za/p/38386/samsung-46---117cm--full-hd-edge-led-tv/
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That's an entry level LED edge-lit LCD. It will suck at SD TV and sport.

A slightly more expensive 46" Samsung Series 6 LCD with 100Hz will be far superior for everything thrown at it, really good LCD with decent black levels and motion handling.

Or a much bigger, much cheaper 50" plasma, of course. :)
 
PostmanPot said:
A slightly more expensive 46" Samsung Series 6 LCD with 100Hz will be far superior for everything thrown at it, really good LCD with decent black levels and motion handling.

Or a much bigger, much cheaper 50" plasma, of course. :)
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OK, so not to hijack the thread, but PP, as a pro-plasma man, would you rate the Samsung Series 6 as a viable option for sport? I'm looking to spend about R12k-R15k on a new TV. I'll be using it for movies and sport (HD-DSTV). The thing I like about the LEDs are how thin they are, while the plasmas are appealing re the refresh rate for sport. The top-of-the-range Samsung plasma is perfect on both counts, but too expensive. Is the series 6's 100hz rate good enough? I reckon I'll be able to get a 40" for that price range...

Thanks!
 
vaultedskies said:
OK, so not to hijack the thread, but PP, as a pro-plasma man, would you rate the Samsung Series 6 as a viable option for sport? I'm looking to spend about R12k-R15k on a new TV. I'll be using it for movies and sport (HD-DSTV). The thing I like about the LEDs are how thin they are, while the plasmas are appealing re the refresh rate for sport. The top-of-the-range Samsung plasma is perfect on both counts, but too expensive. Is the series 6's 100hz rate good enough? I reckon I'll be able to get a 40" for that price range...

Thanks!
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Hi

*A pro-plasma man when it comes to requirements being SD TV and sport, and with a limited budget* :)

Yes, a Samsung Series 6 is definitely a viable option for sport. Very good TV, one of the best mid range LCDs. If you like LED-LCD's slimness, then a C6200 is the LED-LCD alternative (over R16,000 for 40"). The 6 Series LCD will be a maximum of 40" at the low end of your budget, 46" at the top end your budget.

Now here lies the plasma factor. You can get a 50" plasma, that is 4" bigger and displays SD TV and sport as well if not better, for about half the price.

I hope alarm bells are ringing, folks? :)

Buy plasma, get an exceptional experience, save money, buy more toys.
 
vaultedskies said:
OK, so not to hijack the thread, but PP, as a pro-plasma man, would you rate the Samsung Series 6 as a viable option for sport? I'm looking to spend about R12k-R15k on a new TV. I'll be using it for movies and sport (HD-DSTV). The thing I like about the LEDs are how thin they are, while the plasmas are appealing re the refresh rate for sport. The top-of-the-range Samsung plasma is perfect on both counts, but too expensive. Is the series 6's 100hz rate good enough? I reckon I'll be able to get a 40" for that price range...

Thanks!
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I have a Series 7 46" Samsung LCD and can honestly tell you that for SD and Sport it is just as good (hell, maybe even slightly better) than (what is still my pride and joy) 50" KURO plasma. The 7 Series is a 200Hz panel to cater for 3D, but from everything I've heard, the Series 6 is just as good.

Believe me, I hate admitting that LCD's have caught up ... Bought the Series 7 as an everyday panel so picture quality was not the absolute most important factor. Figured I would put it next to my KURO and once and for all prove just how much better the plasma is. That backfired (well, in a nice way) and I had to admit that I've been horribly wrong about the latest LCD's. Black levels have always been the most important factor for me, and that was the reason I spent a fortune on the KURO. Well, with light in the room, the new LCD's black levels are absolutely perfect. Only with the lights turned down, the KURO wins ... and yeah, in that setup it is a big win for the plasma. But, Panasonic's top range is only now starting to get close to KURO's black levels and the Series 7 LCD beats your normal plasmas available at the moment hands down ... I still recommend plasma for lower budgets, even got my brother to buy a C450 a few weeks ago, but the more expensive LCD's definitely have far far superior black levels these days.
 
marine1 said:
Postmanpot is 1000% correct in what he is saying however based on preference of watching movies, Hd content, this was a better option
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Thanks for understanding. Bud, I'm not sure why you think it was the right decision though. Why was it the better option for movies and HD content, when you could get a 10" bigger plasma that does the job as well or better?

Please could you elaborate. :)
 
TYR said:
I have a Series 7 46" Samsung LCD and can honestly tell you that for SD and Sport it is just as good (hell, maybe even slightly better) than (what is still my pride and joy) 50" KURO plasma. The 7 Series is a 200Hz panel to cater for 3D, but from everything I've heard, the Series 6 is just as good.

Believe me, I hate admitting that LCD's have caught up ... Bought the Series 7 as an everyday panel so picture quality was not the absolute most important factor. Figured I would put it next to my KURO and once and for all prove just how much better the plasma is. That backfired (well, in a nice way) and I had to admit that I've been horribly wrong about the latest LCD's. Black levels have always been the most important factor for me, and that was the reason I spent a fortune on the KURO. Well, with light in the room, the new LCD's black levels are absolutely perfect. Only with the lights turned down, the KURO wins ... and yeah, in that setup it is a big win for the plasma. But, Panasonic's top range is only now starting to get close to KURO's black levels and the Series 7 LCD beats your normal plasmas available at the moment hands down ... I still recommend plasma for lower budgets, even got my brother to buy a C450 a few weeks ago, but the more expensive LCD's definitely have far far superior black levels these days.
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TYR for president!
 
TYR said:
I have a Series 7 46" Samsung LCD and can honestly tell you that for SD and Sport it is just as good (hell, maybe even slightly better) than (what is still my pride and joy) 50" KURO plasma. The 7 Series is a 200Hz panel to cater for 3D, but from everything I've heard, the Series 6 is just as good.

Believe me, I hate admitting that LCD's have caught up ... Bought the Series 7 as an everyday panel so picture quality was not the absolute most important factor. Figured I would put it next to my KURO and once and for all prove just how much better the plasma is. That backfired (well, in a nice way) and I had to admit that I've been horribly wrong about the latest LCD's. Black levels have always been the most important factor for me, and that was the reason I spent a fortune on the KURO. Well, with light in the room, the new LCD's black levels are absolutely perfect. Only with the lights turned down, the KURO wins ... and yeah, in that setup it is a big win for the plasma. But, Panasonic's top range is only now starting to get close to KURO's black levels and the Series 7 LCD beats your normal plasmas available at the moment hands down ... I still recommend plasma for lower budgets, even got my brother to buy a C450 a few weeks ago, but the more expensive LCD's definitely have far far superior black levels these days.
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Hi TYR

Agree fully with your post. It's no problem admitting LCDs have caught up as they really have.

Thought I'd bold the bits most pertinent to me and my argument.
 
Didn't you mention plasma kills lower and upper (ie the full range of LCD)?

And you mentioned black levels?
And motion?
And colour accuracy?

I could have sworn that when starting this thread, you gave the impression that plasma was the only choice?

Oh well
 
Dolby said:
Didn't you mention plasma kills lower and upper (ie the full range of LCD)?

And you mentioned black levels?
And motion?
And colour accuracy?

I could have sworn that when starting this thread, you gave the impression that plasma was the only choice?

Oh well
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I could have sworn you knew it was generally accepted that plasma had more natural colours in general. Oh well.

You're right, plasma is the only choice for sport (and SD TV) when on a budget. It knocks the socks off entry level LCD. Bigger screen for a cheaper price = better experience and more savings.

Regarding black levels at the upper end (lower end is a no brainer than plasma wins):

TYR said:
Only with the lights turned down, the KURO wins ... and yeah, in that setup it is a big win for the plasma.
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Regarding plasmas vs LCD at the lower end:

TYR said:
I still recommend plasma for lower budgets, even got my brother to buy a C450 a few weeks ago, but the more expensive LCD's definitely have far far superior black levels these days.
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Regarding plasma and motion at the lower end:

Again, a no brainer.

Upper end:

Not sure really, probably on par, although I hear plasma's 600Hz subfield motion handles Blu-ray better.

http://reviews.cnet.com/4351-12658_7-6583301.html
 
PostmanPot said:
Hi

*A pro-plasma man when it comes to requirements being SD TV and sport, and with a limited budget* :)

Yes, a Samsung Series 6 is definitely a viable option for sport. Very good TV, one of the best mid range LCDs. If you like LED-LCD's slimness, then a C6200 is the LED-LCD alternative (over R16,000 for 40"). The 6 Series LCD will be a maximum of 40" at the low end of your budget, 46" at the top end your budget.

Now here lies the plasma factor. You can get a 50" plasma, that is 4" bigger and displays SD TV and sport as well if not better, for about half the price.

I hope alarm bells are ringing, folks? :)

Buy plasma, get an exceptional experience, save money, buy more toys.
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Thanks PP! That's useful :) I realise it's more expensive, but I think I'd rather have a LED that's 3-4cm off the wall than a plasma that's 7cm off the wall.
I was at Audio Vision (Canal Walk) a week or two ago and they were selling the 40" C6200 for R12,500 as I recall.
 
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