Samsung requests to see Apple iPhone 4S source code

[MattyW]

I believe the 7" galaxy tab isn't the one in question

But this isn't true look at this image a phone released before the iphone came out

Also this doesn't address the fact that the even if true the iphone first blatantly copied the prada, I accept apple make good products but they clearly didn't innovate them and this is the sticking point because they are trying to ban the competition based on just that. Also why can apple use samsungs 3g patents but samsung can't use the rectangle, this just hurts us the consumer.

Apple largely get away with this because of the massive amounts of money they have and also because somehow {to be honest I don't think anyone is sure how} they have managed to brainwash a massive amount of people into believing whatever they say is true.

 

[HavocXphere]

Good luck with that.

They might as well ask to see Apple's full financials.

Apple is listed, so the financials are available anyway.

 

[b1scu1t]

But this isn't true look at this image a phone released before the iphone came out

Also this doesn't address the fact that the even if true the iphone first blatantly copied the prada, I accept apple make good products but they clearly didn't innovate them and this is the sticking point because they are trying to ban the competition based on just that. Also why can apple use samsungs 3g patents but samsung can't use the rectangle, this just hurts us the consumer.

Apple largely get away with this because of the massive amounts of money they have and also because somehow {to be honest I don't think anyone is sure how} they have managed to brainwash a massive amount of people into believing whatever they say is true.

Do your research and get the facts straight.... That Samsung device was introduced AFTER the iPhone was introduced first on 9 January 2007. Samsung F700 introduced February 2007.

 

[Sl8er]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_(original)

 

[JStrike]

But this isn't true look at this image a phone released before the iphone came out

Also this doesn't address the fact that the even if true the iphone first blatantly copied the prada, I accept apple make good products but they clearly didn't innovate them and this is the sticking point because they are trying to ban the competition based on just that. Also why can apple use samsungs 3g patents but samsung can't use the rectangle, this just hurts us the consumer.

Apple largely get away with this because of the massive amounts of money they have and also because somehow {to be honest I don't think anyone is sure how} they have managed to brainwash a massive amount of people into believing whatever they say is true.

That thing looks nothing like an iPhone.
One of my colleagues has some or other Samsung that has a glass and metal rim etc. Most of my other colleagues thought it was an iPhone she had.
The same cant be said about the Nokia Lumia 800. It is possible to create products that dont look almost exactly the same as Apple's

 

[MattyW]

Do your research and get the facts straight.... That Samsung device was introduced AFTER the iPhone was introduced first on 9 January 2007. Samsung F700 introduced February 2007.

Even if true what about the other concerns like the prada, do you have any defence for that as that phone was clearly shown before the iphone and the iphone looks almost exactly the same or at least close enough that the comparision between the galaxy and the iphone is moot.

 

[iDenTiTy]

Good luck with that.


Apple is listed, so the financials are available anyway.

No, that they have to give access. I'm talking about internal financials...

 

[JStrike]

Even if true what about the other concerns like the prada, do you have any defence for that as that phone was clearly shown before the iphone and the iphone looks almost exactly the same or at least close enough that the comparision between the galaxy and the iphone is moot.

The Prada and the iPhone look nothing alike. No one would ever mistake one for the other.
And lets not even talk about all the other details it is missing - multitouch, icons, etc that all add up to make up the design of the iPhone

 

[MattyW]

The Prada and the iPhone look nothing alike. No one would ever mistake one for the other.
And lets not even talk about all the other details it is missing - multitouch, icons, etc that all add up to make up the design of the iPhone

But I would say the same thing about the galaxy vs iphone comparision their is no way anyone could confuse the two especially since the samsung has samsung written in big letters at the top of the phone.

 

[JStrike]

But I would say the same thing about the galaxy vs iphone comparision their is no way anyone could confuse the two especially since the samsung has samsung written in big letters at the top of the phone.

Other than the Samsung name, the Galaxy looks deliberatly like an iPhone.
There were other choices they could have made.
No one is accusing the Nokia Lumia 800 of copying the iPhone...

I think the point that b1scu1t made is very valid here.
Samsung has copied Apple's products and then put their name on it.
You would also be very pissed off if someone came along and ripped of something you created

 

[MattyW]

Apple device sales take a dip every year just before a new product is launched. I doubt they're crying about since they're still making more money.
Samsung developed something game changing... True, BUT i'm pretty sure they're not the only one hey... Looked at Apple's product line up recently and how that line up MAYBE boosted their market cap just by a few percent in the last 10 years...
Many companies including samsung invent some impressive stuff but if you look at what, not just Samsung, was doing before and after the iPhone, I's say Apple's design is influencing them in a couple of ways.

I believe the 7" galaxy tab isn't the one in question

True and I fully agree that apple will outsell samsung in this and probably the next quarter aswel but it is clear that apple no longer has the iron grip on the smartphone market it used to have. Also I am not quite sure I get your point so samsung invented groundbreaking technology {irrelevant whether others did aswel} and are COMPELLED to let others use it but you are O.K with apple getting design rights on the rectangle, their is no way this can be good for the consumer I can't believe you are trying to defend this.

 

[b1scu1t]

Even if true what about the other concerns like the prada, do you have any defence for that as that phone was clearly shown before the iphone and the iphone looks almost exactly the same or at least close enough that the comparision between the galaxy and the iphone is moot.

The LG Prada:
It was first announced on December 12, 2006. Images of the device appeared on websites such as Engadget Mobile on December 15, 2006. An official press release showing an image of the device appeared on January 18, 2007.

So what you're saying is, even though development of the iPhone started in 2005!, Apple thought, let's scrap the original prototypes, change the device AND then they demoed a working iPhone not even 1 month later?!? Wait... What?

I'm pretty sure that the Samsung F700 wasn't COPIED from the iPhone since NOBODY on the outside had seen the phone yet, but it's a fact that the F700 was their best attempt, was it not?
None of those device were probably "copied" from the other, but it certainly was each company's best attempt, not true?
One guess which one made at least "somewhat" of an impression?

 

[MattyW]

Other than the Samsung name, the Galaxy looks deliberatly like an iPhone.
There were other choices they could have made.
No one is accusing the Nokia Lumia 800 of copying the iPhone...

I think the point that b1scu1t made is very valid here.
Samsung has copied Apple's products and then put their name on it.
You would also be very pissed off if someone came along and ripped of something you created

Really? I don't see it, maybe I have a critical eye but I can clearly and easily see even without the samsung name which one is the galaxy.

 

[MattyW]

The LG Prada:
It was first announced on December 12, 2006. Images of the device appeared on websites such as Engadget Mobile on December 15, 2006. An official press release showing an image of the device appeared on January 18, 2007.

So what you're saying is, even though development of the iPhone started in 2005!, Apple thought, let's scrap the original prototypes, change the device AND then they demoed a working iPhone not even 1 month later?!? Wait... What?

I'm pretty sure that the Samsung F700 wasn't COPIED from the iPhone since NOBODY on the outside had seen the phone yet, but it's a fact that the F700 was their best attempt, was it not?
None of those device were probably "copied" from the other, but it certainly was each company's best attempt, not true?
One guess which one made at least "somewhat" of an impression?

In fairness LG could have been working on the prada since 2004, but that's my point clearly no one copied each other and apple must get over the idea, this was the direction smartphones were evoling in, apple doesn't have the right to solely make smartphones with no buttons ext. and if they want to win in the smartphone war they must stop trying to sue the competition into submission and instead design a superior product which everyone wants.

 

[JStrike]

True and I fully agree that apple will outsell samsung in this and probably the next quarter aswel but it is clear that apple no longer has the iron grip on the smartphone market it used to have. Also I am not quite sure I get your point so samsung invented groundbreaking technology {irrelevant whether others did aswel} and are COMPELLED to let others use it but you are O.K with apple getting design rights on the rectangle, their is no way this can be good for the consumer I can't believe you are trying to defend this.

Essential inventions are added to FRAND patent pools because there is no way to avoid them.
Apple has many patents that are part of FRAND patent pools.

They also however, have non-essential patents, that they do not want to licence. They want other manufactures to make products that have their own look and not copy Apple. And they use those patents as a stick

 

[JStrike]

Really? I don't see it, maybe I have a critical eye but I can clearly and easily see even without the samsung name which one is the galaxy.

Really? Take the Samsung name away and they look almost identical

 

[JStrike]

In fairness LG could have been working on the prada since 2004, but that's my point clearly no one copied each other and apple must get over the idea, this was the direction smartphones were evoling in, apple doesn't have the right to solely make smartphones with no buttons ext. and if they want to win in the smartphone war they must stop trying to sue the competition into submission and instead design a superior product which everyone wants.

Sure, and every time they come up with a design, Samsung copies it. Free design R&D for Samsung.
The other manufacturers can come up with designs that might be inspired by Apple, but not wholesale copied. Why cant Samsung?

 

[scotty777]

How else are manufacturers meant to get around the "rectangle" if it's pretty unfeasible to make a round screen?

Personally, I think the advent of the sudden a rapid shift to the touch screen craze was brought on by the fact that mobile processors have actually gotten powerful enough to be useful in terms of computing.

What I would like to see is perhaps a level of differentiation. If a product doesn't offer either innovative design and technology, and it also it doesn't differentiate itself from other products, then and only then can the patent office ban it.

So if samsung brought out a phone that looked like the iphone, but it included a death ray, well, then it's showing innovation regardless.

 

[MattyW]

Really? Take the Samsung name away and they look almost identical

I don't see it the samsung is bigger has a clearly visible camera in the corner {which the iphone has but isn't visible} and has 3 buttons on the bottom.

Anyway I'm out, got work to do if you really want to belive it's a good thing apple can patent rectangels but samsung can't patent it's 3g technology then I can only wonder what apple are doing to people.

 

[JStrike]

How else are manufacturers meant to get around the "rectangle" if it's pretty unfeasible to make a round screen?

Personally, I think the advent of the sudden a rapid shift to the touch screen craze was brought on by the fact that mobile processors have actually gotten powerful enough to be useful in terms of computing.

What I would like to see is perhaps a level of differentiation. If a product doesn't offer either innovative design and technology, and it also it doesn't differentiate itself from other products, then and only then can the patent office ban it.

So if samsung brought out a phone that looked like the iphone, but it included a death ray, well, then it's showing innovation regardless.

Apple is only using that patent on companies that are blatantly copying the iPhone/iPad. They are not using that patent on all the other manufacturers that are actually doing their own design R&D