Satanic Panic: SAPS Edition

Oh, I though Alan was having a dig at Lycanthrope. Well, oops. Carry on then. :whistle:

Goofball :p

Yeah, I think everyone does. :)

Really sad how people can either misunderstand or pour fuel on these problems, though. :(

Same as any subgroup, really. People trying to fit in somewhere. At the same time, lots of kids just want to be left alone, but then that's misconstrued as a sign that something's wrong, or that Satan's got you. :p

You can say that again. Everything different must be a Satanz!
 
Exactly what do people refer to by paganism? I see a couple of people say they got involved into paganism.
 
This thread has had me rofling and then contemplating my own teenage years.... epic thread is epic!

As for drivel about Paganism/Satanism... what a farce! I've known and still know true satanists, and if you ever look past the 'image', and actually get to know them, you'll find that most of them are actually really nice people! :)
 
Exactly what do people refer to by paganism? I see a couple of people say they got involved into paganism.
Witchcraft. They summon the devil as a source for their magic...
 
If my aunt saw tape spread along the road she would stop the car and start to pray to "break satan's grip on this road." Good times.

Dude. I'm trying to drink tea over here.

by propaganda i meant that satan was hiding behind every corner :)

He's behind every bush but his greatest trick is convincing everybody he doesn't exist. I'm not sure how that works.

That's hilarious. I've never had any personal experience with these things. But I don't know how I'd stop myself from laughing. Guess they also prey on the vulnerable. :p

I think you should just treat it as old-school LARPing and roll with it.
 
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My feeling. You hurt my feeling!

I now realise where it all started going so very wrong for you. Dawson's Creek did more damage to my generation than Satanism could ever hope to achieve.
 
Worthwhile opinion piece on the matter:

Occult crime unit is offensive to common sense and morality

Decades after its formation, the Occult-Related Crime Unit (ORCU, founded by Kobus “Donker” Jonker in 1992) continues to waste public resources, misdirect police attention, and stigmatise young people who are by and large more misunderstood than malignant.
Amongst all the crimes that we can speculate police in this unit might have seen, there’s one we can be sure of – and it’s one that they are complicit in. The crime in question is against common sense and morality, and is vested in the reinforcing of a Christian evangelical “Satanic Panic”.

In the context of South Africa’s constitutionally-protected freedom of religion, restricting membership of a police unit to only Christians – and dedicating that unit to protecting a Christian version of reality – is itself worthy of special attention as an occult-related crime.

Because a unit can’t investigate itself, I’d ask the Minister of Police to consider funding a new Occult-Related-Related Crimes Unit, which I volunteer to lead. Our mission? To be ruthless in pursuing crimes related to simplistic, moralising, and religiously prejudiced views of crime, society at large, and especially the youth.

Even on the very fuzzy definition of “occult” used by ORCU, too few such crimes occur to merit the existence of a dedicated unit. But it is in the definition of these crimes, as well as the background metaphysics and psychology, that ORCU starts to appear just as spooky as the crimes and motivations ORCU exists to combat.

In response (I presume) to a fairly constant barrage of criticism on social media, the South African Police Service (SAPS) removed the web page that gave us our best insight into how a unit in a 21st-century police force is being guided by ideas from the Dark Ages.

But thanks to the Wayback Machine, we can see not only that “Child has an interest in computer” is a sign that said child might be involved in a cult, but also that this and other equally ridiculous diagnostic advice has remained unchanged since September 2004 (the archived page from then – the earliest date the page was captured – being identical to the one that was removed in November 2013):
http://web.archive.org/web/20040922161210/http://www.saps.gov.za/youth_desk/occult/occult.htm

I don’t mean to dispute that adolescents, and others, commit crimes in the service of motivations they themselves think of as occult. But when they do so, why is it that this motivation is singled out for special attention? We don’t have a jealousy-related crimes unit, or a greed-related, tender-related, BEE-related, or alien-related unit – even though all of these provide possible motivations to commit crimes, mostly with far greater regularity than the occult would.

Then, if we find that a crime is committed because the guilty party thought themselves under some supernatural instruction, we know full well what to do next: arrange for that person to get the psychological help they clearly need, alongside whatever other sentence is appropriate.

Diagnosis and treatment of this particular confusion is not within the typical police-person’s field of expertise, perhaps especially when that police-person is selected explicitly because they hold a competing – and no less bizarre, to some – set of metaphysical beliefs.

As mentioned above, we have freedom of religion in South Africa. You can be a Satanist if you like, and if you were refused employment on those grounds, the person refusing you would be acting illegally. Hell (sorry), refusing you entry into ORCU would probably be illegal too.

But because of the strongly Christian bias of ORCU, and government in general, you’d of course keep your exercising of freedom of religion to yourself. If you’re a child, though – especially a child unfortunate enough to have parents who take SAPS’s word for these things – you might find yourself described as a Satanist or cult member through no fault of your own.

The warning signs for parents include your using a computer, engaging in sexual activity, watching horror movies, losing your sense of humour and “rejecting parental values”. In other words, being a teenager is a warning sign. Make sure to only part your hair to the right, because “draping hair across the left eye” is another dead giveaway.

It’s also important that you avoid getting a nickname at school, because “phone calls from persons requesting to speak with someone other than your child’s name” is apparently a warning sign for parents that you’re being contacted by your “satanic/demonic name”.

The document also speaks of cults, that come in “religion-based, personality, or secular” versions. I can’t imagine what a secular cult might be, but suspect it has something to do with Idols, or MasterChef, given that cults can involve “unique games”, “dress codes” and “chanting and singing”.

More seriously: these attempted analyses of occult motive are premised in an occult view themselves, namely that of Christianity. The occult, and what is problematic about it, is being defined in a completely partisan way, by an agency of a Government committed to freedom of religion.

It is undeniable that some practitioners of any given occult view engage in harmful behaviour. It would nevertheless be untrue and unfair for us to generalise from those cases, concluding that the entire set of occult practises should be criminalised – especially if we do so from a position of known bias.

Lastly, the vulnerable group here is the youth, who are already besieged by insecurity around their identities. The ORCU document told parents – in a country where homophobia is virtually endorsed by the President, and corrective rapes a scourge – that “child experiences sudden gender confusion” is a warning sign of the occult.

It’s therefore not simply the case that ORCU is a waste of resources that could better be deployed elsewhere. The unit, and its core beliefs, are themselves so offensive to common sense and morality that one might call it a crime.

The author teaches at the University of Cape Town. Read his blog, Synapses. You can follow him on Twitter @JacquesR.
 
That's a great write-up and expresses my feelings on the matter far better than I ever could.

Awesome find!
 
Occult-Related Crime Unit
wut?

I could understand them releasing a generic list of warning signs...but a dedicated crime unit to catch rebellious teens?!?
 
Yea when those teens are murduring your pets and nailing their corpses to your door then they need special attention. The cruelty and mutilation that seems to go along with these crazies needs this imo. When you think that setting your buddy on fire and watching her burn to death will bring you power and riches then you need special attention.
I do believe that muti killings and all that crap is also covered by them.

I have seen some of the crap these misguided teens get up to and it's no fun having to dispose of someone's beloved Persian that's been gutted, nailed spread open onto the grass with two nails in the shape of an upside down cross stuck through its heart. Seems that it was because it was a pure white cat.
Misguided? I'll misguide my boot right up their fskn asses if I ever find out who those fskers where.
 
Yea when those teens are murduring your pets and nailing their corpses to your door then they need special attention. The cruelty and mutilation that seems to go along with these crazies needs this imo. When you think that setting your buddy on fire and watching her burn to death will bring you power and riches then you need special attention.
I do believe that muti killings and all that crap is also covered by them.

I have seen some of the crap these misguided teens get up to and it's no fun having to dispose of someone's beloved Persian that's been gutted, nailed spread open onto the grass with two nails in the shape of an upside down cross stuck through its heart. Seems that it was because it was a pure white cat.
Misguided? I'll misguide my boot right up their fskn asses if I ever find out who those fskers where.

I'm so sorry for your loss. I had 3 of my canine companions murdered for inexplicable reasons too.
Thing is-we sued the security company for our loss. As far as I know, the killers were the most common-or-garden Christians. The point I'm trying to make is that these crimes need to be investigated *as crimes*, and not as some kind of religious spin-off.
You won't stop teenagers from trying to feel special and dangerous by having an entire police unit dedicated to following the fallacious theories of a Christian wingnut; in this case, Kobus Jonker.
 
Yea when those teens are murduring your pets and nailing their corpses to your door then they need special attention. The cruelty and mutilation that seems to go along with these crazies needs this imo. When you think that setting your buddy on fire and watching her burn to death will bring you power and riches then you need special attention.
I do believe that muti killings and all that crap is also covered by them.

I have seen some of the crap these misguided teens get up to and it's no fun having to dispose of someone's beloved Persian that's been gutted, nailed spread open onto the grass with two nails in the shape of an upside down cross stuck through its heart. Seems that it was because it was a pure white cat.
Misguided? I'll misguide my boot right up their fskn asses if I ever find out who those fskers where.

Why should they be treated differently to any other psycho that does horrific stuff?
 
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