SEACOM testing starts

Shaun108 said:
Seacom is good for us eh, so why don't ya'll jes be quiet, and wait for the price reductions and extra bandwidth that Telkom will give us?
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Why on earth do you think that Telkom will give you - or me - a damned thing? Telkom does not have any capacity on SEACOM. AFAIK, Telkom aren't even talking to SEACOM. Telkom have all the capacity they need on SAT3/SAFE. They just sell it to the rest of us at a huge markup.

SEACOM will make no difference at all to the vast majority of myBB subscribers, who use Telkom-supplied ADSL connections via the ISP of their choice.

Is SEACOM bandwidth cheaper? Yes, much cheaper - about 1/10th of what Telkom currently charges ISPs. However, by the time you've got it from Mtunzini to Joburg - and paid for all that serious capital expenditure - it's only about half the price. By the time it's delivered to the customer, the difference isn't that great.

Don't get me wrong, SEACOM is important in terms of increasing available capacity and reducing the cost of services to a reasonable level. Problem is, it's just one of many factors.
 
@ Wimbo, how can it cost 4 times more to get the cable laid inside our country, than the thousands of kilometres it was laid under the sea? That is total BS.
 
Wimbo said:
Why on earth do you think that Telkom will give you - or me - a damned thing? Telkom does not have any capacity on SEACOM. AFAIK, Telkom aren't even talking to SEACOM. Telkom have all the capacity they need on SAT3/SAFE. They just sell it to the rest of us at a huge markup.

SEACOM will make no difference at all to the vast majority of myBB subscribers, who use Telkom-supplied ADSL connections via the ISP of their choice.

Is SEACOM bandwidth cheaper? Yes, much cheaper - about 1/10th of what Telkom currently charges ISPs. However, by the time you've got it from Mtunzini to Joburg - and paid for all that serious capital expenditure - it's only about half the price. By the time it's delivered to the customer, the difference isn't that great.

Don't get me wrong, SEACOM is important in terms of increasing available capacity and reducing the cost of services to a reasonable level. Problem is, it's just one of many factors.
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Telkom have bought significant capacity on Seacom. They are considered an "anchor tenant" just like Neotel. They, unlike your post, are not that stupid.
 
Garyvdh said:
Telkom have bought significant capacity on Seacom. They are considered an "anchor tenant" just like Neotel. They, unlike your post, are not that stupid.
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Where did you hear that? I'm sure the Telkom guy at the MyBB conference said they had no capacity on Seacom :confused:
 
Garyvdh said:
Telkom have bought significant capacity on Seacom. They are considered an "anchor tenant" just like Neotel. They, unlike your post, are not that stupid.
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Your posts are very pro-seacom and pro-seacom-will-lower-prices.

Just take note - if it does not happen a lot of people are gonna be looking for you in order to bash your kneecaps.
 
Rouxenator said:
Your posts are very pro-seacom and pro-seacom-will-lower-prices.

Just take note - if it does not happen a lot of people are gonna be looking for you in order to bash your kneecaps.
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Seacom has already posted their prices and they are much lower than Telkom's. That is a fact.

If those prices are not passed on to the Consumer, don't come looking for me. That will be the middle man's fault.

But, yes... I am optimistic that it will happen. I already have feedback from two ISP's that their intention is to lower prices.... and I have an account with each of them... so I am already sitting pretty. :D
 
Garyvdh said:
...don't come looking for me. That will be the middle man's fault....
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You learn fast grasshoper :D

Yes - rule #1 in the telco racketeering and profiteering handbook : always have someone else to blame.

The mobile networks recently showed us that they remember this rule very well when they laid poor performance on Telkom. Not a newbie to the game Telkom said that they have licenses to provide for themselves thanks to ICASA - which was the first to jump in and blame the mobile networks – and there we have a perfect circle.

For every telco related problem you raise you will encouter some form of rule #1 from the respective network.
 
Rouxenator;2838458[B said:
rule #1[/B] in the telco racketeering and profiteering handbook : always have someone else to blame.
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um, I am not in the telco game. I am an end user like you.

Are you also going to blame me for Eskom's mess-ups cos I also buy electricity from them?

Seriously dude... your posts are moronic and your intelligence is... shall we say... deficient?
 
I will only blame you for the mess-ups created after you promised us that smart people like you are looking into the matter and will make sure they do not happen.
 
Rouxenator said:
I will only blame you for the mess-ups created after you promised us that smart people like you are looking into the matter and will make sure they do not happen.
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dude, I don't give a flying broom handle what you blame me for. Fat lot of good it is going to do you. :rolleyes:

Instead of crapping on me... why don't you e-mail the ISPs yourself like I did. It's not that hard. I even typed out the e-mail for you. All you have to do is cut and paste. Think you can handle that?
 
elL0L said:
Wimbo, you're wrong. Telkom bought capacity on SEACOM.
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and:

Garyvdh said:
Telkom have bought significant capacity on Seacom. They are considered an "anchor tenant" just like Neotel. They, unlike your post, are not that stupid.
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Really? Do you have proof of that? According to SEACOM's SA agent, they asked for a quote, and that was the last anyone heard from them. I confirmed this telephonically, yesterday.

Let's avoid the personal insults, shall we? ;-)
 
AirWolf said:
@ Wimbo, how can it cost 4 times more to get the cable laid inside our country, than the thousands of kilometres it was laid under the sea? That is total BS.
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Well, it's total BS in that isn't the way it SHOULD be. However, it's fact. Go work out the numbers for yourself. They're all available, if you are prepared to do the research.

Not very long ago, it cost more to get an STM-1 (that's 155 Mbps) from Joburg to Cape Town than it did to get the same STM-1 from Joburg to London, via Cape Town! Go figure. (Hint: Telkom!)

The cost of landing international bandwidth in Joburg via SEACOM is made up of the following factors, from there to here: -

1 Cost of international peering in London & transit to the rest of the world
2 Cost of SEACOM capacity - i.e. purchase of a 20 year IRU. Note that this is a capital purchase, and needs to be funded.
3 Cost of SEACOM Operational & Maintenance charges ("O&M")
4 Cost of a 'cross-connect' between SEACOM's inland PoP and Neotel's hosting facility in Midrand (and this is much more than you'd expect)
5 Cost of the connection from Midrand to Joburg
6 Cost of your kit at each end.
7 Cost of your maintenance & operations

Telkom not used anywhere in this scenario.

Item 2 is the biggie. It means that it's very expensive until paid off, then cheap.

Realistically, what this means is that, while we (as end users) might be lucky enough to get a small price decrease now, you can expect the major reductions in 3 to 5 years. By then, hopefully, we will also have enough urban fibre laid to cut down the cost of the last mile, which on a per Mbps basis remains by far the most expensive part of the whole game.
 
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