Seacom versus SAT3

feo said:
Who's your source?

You've been mentioning this now in multiple threads so spill the beans. I doubt we'll see significant drops from Telkom, expecting more from the popular ISPs like Opwenweb and WA.
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Ja, I guess so. :rolleyes:
 
It means wait and see. Prices are going to drop... whether it is the individual ISPs in the next few months who move to be competitive, or whether it is Telkom bumping us up in October, or even if it is in the next 12 months. The one thing I am absolutely certain of is that prices will drop. The rest is all hearsay and the only way to be 100% certain is to wait for it to happen.
 
Garyvdh said:
It means wait and see. Prices are going to drop... whether it is the individual ISPs in the next few months who move to be competitive, or whether it is Telkom bumping us up in October, or even if it is in the next 12 months. The one thing I am absolutely certain of is that prices will drop. The rest is all hearsay and the only way to be 100% certain is to wait for it to happen.
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Do you know by how much prices are going to drop?

We've been waiting for half a decade for something of substance to come along so forgive my pessimism.
 
Prices aren't going to drop significantly. They will blame local connectivity issues on the high prices and to remedy that means lots of equipment and cabling from US companies like Cisco (blame poor R/Dollar exchange rate then).

Prices may drop by say 5-10% every year - that would have happened before SEACOM.
 
PeterCH said:
Prices aren't going to drop significantly.

Prices may drop by say 5-10% every year
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so which is it going to be? :confused:

I would not sneeze at a 10% drop, which is far better than any 10% increase any year!

so in two years I will be paying R330 for 4 mbps ADSL (or better) and R800 for uncapped?

I would not even mind that... but somehow I think things are going to better than that.

My guess is between 8 and 12 mbps for R800 a month, uncapped. Line rental of R400.
 
Garyvdh said:
so which is it going to be? :confused:

I would not sneeze at a 10% drop, which is far better than any 10% increase any year!

so in two years I will be paying R330 for 4 mbps ADSL (or better) and R800 for uncapped?

I would not even mind that... but somehow I think things are going to better than that.

My guess is between 8 and 12 mbps for R800 a month, uncapped. Line rental of R400.
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From what I understand, its not only the international pipe which costs, its also the links between the local isps which are a problem and the backhaul, if you will. With a bigger external pipe, a company like MTN will have to upgrade their backhaul to compensate for these people on these new 8-12Mbps uncapped plans. That's probably very expensive and the profit from upgrading that would only be repaid in many years' time - instead it's cheaper to just charge the same or slightly less for b/w - and just let SAT-3/SEACOM sit underutilised.

Who cares if they build a 6 lane freeway to the centre of town, if there's only a single lane road from their house to that freeway?
 
moggie said:
I agree, but you will most likely get more bang for your buck.
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No... I mean we won't see any benefit of SEACOM over the slight cap increases we see annually or every 2 years. Those may have to do with SEACOM too but no unlimited caps for under R3K per month and such.

What ICASA could do is force TELKOM to drop the ADSL line rental fees or reduce them to R100 per month flat rate.

In SA we just sit on a ton of FAIL. We have ICASA who are a FAIL, we have Comms Ministry (who like the beetroot Health Ministry) are FAIL, we have TELSCUM who are FAIL (to us, to themselves they are a profit making establishment like the speakeasys and liquor runners under Al Capone), we have NEOTEL who don't offer any coverage outside small areas - who are a FAIL and we have consumers who aren't vocal enough.
 
PeterCH said:
In SA we just sit on a ton of FAIL. We have ICASA who are a FAIL, we have Comms Ministry who are a FAIL.
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I have being saying for this for a long time.

I feel that they should allow Telkom to abuse it's network capacity as longs as it benefits the consumer. This boils down to it being a player in the wholesale and retail market.

Start a price war (NOW) and let the consumer decide which companies will remain in the post-price war broadband arena - there won't be many left!
 
moggie said:
I have being saying for this for a long time.

I feel that they should allow Telkom to abuse it's network capacity as longs as it benefits the consumer. This boils down to it being a player in the wholesale and retail market.

Start a price war (NOW) and let the consumer decide which companies will remain in the post-price war broadband arena - there won't be many left!
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Sadly look at the other markets to see if it's viable.

Car market - do we have a price war between the makers?
Mobile Telephone market - do we have a price war there?
Food - do you see significant differences between supermarkets?
Petrol - haha!
Electricity - LOL!
Cable TV - kekekekekeke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

So seeing that trend - I doubt we will see a price war.

(between above should be among, between is only used when comparing two things, for more, use 'among' - but I'll lazy).
 
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