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Lycanthrope

Lycanthrope

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THE Department of Home Affairs wants to increase the price of second identity documents applications as a way of encouraging people to take better care of their IDs, Minister Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma said yesterday.

“We are looking at increasing the tariffs for ID applications,” she said at a briefing in Cape Town.

“The first application is free. We will leave it at that. The second one you pay very little ... less than R20.

“We are going to increase the tariff so people think twice about going to the office to get an ID book. Sometimes we don’t value things we get cheaply .”

She said people often left their IDs at home – then showed up at Home Affairs to get temporary ones.

Dlamini-Zuma was criticised last week after she announced that 524000 uncollected IDs would be destroyed.
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Source: Sowetan

How utterly stupid. Bolded part especially so -- so when someone's ID book gets stolen (handbag, wallet, car) you want them to just NOT replace it?

The only good thing about this is that it might ultimately clear up some of the backlog for most types of applications at Home Affairs. Somehow, laziness will win the day though and I doubt any benefit will be seen of this.

I also believe that since everyone needs their ID book for any dealings with a financial entity, making any changes to an account (clothing stores, cellular, or otherwise) this will simply end up being a blatant tax.

Thoughts?
 
Lycanthrope said:
Source: Sowetan

How utterly stupid. Bolded part especially so -- so when someone's ID book gets stolen (handbag, wallet, car) you want them to just NOT replace it?

The only good thing about this is that it might ultimately clear up some of the backlog for most types of applications at Home Affairs. Somehow, laziness will win the day though and I doubt any benefit will be seen of this.

I also believe that since everyone needs their ID book for any dealings with a financial entity, making any changes to an account (clothing stores, cellular, or otherwise) this will simply end up being a blatant tax.

Thoughts?
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+1
 
supersunbird said:
Dude, its R15 currently. Even if they more than double it to R40. Will it now cause you to go hungry and loose your home?
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Nope. Doesn't (directly) negatively affect me. It does, however, affect people who could put that extra R25 to better use.

I suppose that it isn't such a big deal, but I find it difficult to be optimistic about any decisions Home Affairs takes.
 
Usually the process of waiting in the line and incompetence to help me is good enough for me
 
Yawn ... I just bought lunch and that was R40 bucks! If you cannot afford R40 or R50 bucks you cannot afford the current R15.

It will also teach you not to get it stolen or lost.
 
If they use the extra income to improve their facilities, their service, and the education of their employees (as in "Customer Service" ..), I am all for it. I had the unfortunate experience of visiting the Randburg Home Affairs offices on a Saturday some weeks ago. It is NOT a pleasant experience.
 
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cbrunsdonza said:
Yawn ... I just bought lunch and that was R40 bucks! If you cannot afford R40 or R50 bucks you cannot afford the current R15.

It will also teach you not to get it stolen or lost.
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Ridiculous claim. How can you teach someone not to get something stolen? By keeping it somewhere safe? Most women would consider their handbags safe, yet handbags get stolen. Most people would assume the cubbyhole of their cars to be safe, yet cars get stolen. Leaving your ID document at home or in a safe simply means that when you need it, it's not on your person. And as has been established, the people who this would mostly affect is your impoverished South African who needs an ID document to get a legal job.

The thing is that yes, increasing the price by a marginal amount is exactly that -- marginal to the individual. However, on the assumption that it would be a 100% increase in price (R30) that would result in a 100% increase overall on all income from secondary ID document replacements. Let's assume that in a country of 49 million people, one million apply for a new (secondary) ID in one year. That's R15,000,000 income (more than what they would've originally had) just on ID replacements. This, as I said, is a blatant tax if it is not a necessity.

I wonder where the money would go?
 
I've still got mine issued in 1990... the first was stolen along with my wallet and my Dad's BMW. :D
 
The esteem'd Minister Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma is screwed in the head if she really thinks that people actually want to get into that inefficient pathetic and ridiculous system.

This is just her way of trying to milk the public, and, if I were in the position to disallow, would not only disallow this move, but expressly forbid it, whilst simultaneously, I would chide her for not offering an incentive for lost id books to be returned to government so that they can be re-depolyed to their owners, thereby effecting the savings she so merrily claims to want to achieve.

Blerry narrow minded greedy politicians!

Where on earth is the public debate regarding this issue?
 
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If Capitec bank, a startup from years ago can do biometrics why cant Home Affairs?
 
atomcrusher said:
If they use the extra income to improve their facilities, their service, and the education of their employees (as in "Customer Service" ..), I am all for it. I had the unfortunate experience of visiting the Randburg Home Affairs offices on a Saturday some weeks ago. It is NOT a pleasant experience.
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Pure EVIIILLL that place wow
 
I do not really see the problem. I rarely need my ID nowadays with the new drivers licenses, usually they are sufficient.
 
Kosmik said:
I also believe that since everyone needs their ID book for any dealings with a financial entity, making any changes to an account (clothing stores, cellular, or otherwise) this will simply end up being a blatant tax.
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And that is why it will have the desired effect. Its a bit of a heartless solution though. (If you lose the IDs then no money for buying bread.)

For well off people there is a much more effective incentive in place: Identity theft.
 
We applied for my mom's ID in August 2008, and then got funny stories until she died in November 2009...anything but an ID book.

Then, 3 days after my mom died they phoned me to say that Doves had informed them of the death, and what must they do about the book that had just arrived.

I then had to explain to the idiot on the phone that I didn't think my mom would have much use for it any more...so I got the reply..."So you want me to keep it?"........I understand now why there are over 200 000 uncollected...probably most of the people died waiting for them! :rolleyes:
 
Lycanthrope said:
Source: Sowetan

How utterly stupid. Bolded part especially so -- so when someone's ID book gets stolen (handbag, wallet, car) you want them to just NOT replace it?

The only good thing about this is that it might ultimately clear up some of the backlog for most types of applications at Home Affairs. Somehow, laziness will win the day though and I doubt any benefit will be seen of this.

I also believe that since everyone needs their ID book for any dealings with a financial entity, making any changes to an account (clothing stores, cellular, or otherwise) this will simply end up being a blatant tax.

Thoughts?
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I am very seldom to support anc government but it is the time.

1) no matter what is the reason you lost your ID, you have to take part of the responsibility of the lost.
2) R20 is NOTHING, I hope the price will be increased to R500 (at least)

but....

1) Home affair should introduce ID card system, which makes everyone can carry with it more easily and not easy to damage.
2) every citizen in SA should have their ID in possession ALL the time. If not, fine.
3) better security systems for SAID, now, it is too easy to make a fraudulent ID.
 
supersunbird said:
Dude, its R15 currently. Even if they more than double it to R40. Will it now cause you to go hungry and loose your home?
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Thats not the point, the point is the government is milking us R15 + on each service they deliver. It all adds up in the end.
 
DreamKing said:
I am very seldom to support anc government but it is the time.

1) no matter what is the reason you lost your ID, you have to take part of the responsibility of the lost.
2) R20 is NOTHING, I hope the price will be increased to R500 (at least)

but....

1) Home affair should introduce ID card system, which makes everyone can carry with it more easily and not easy to damage.
2) every citizen in SA should have their ID in possession ALL the time. If not, fine.
3) better security systems for SAID, now, it is too easy to make a fraudulent ID.
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The most idiotic post I've seen in a long while :rolleyes:
 
DreamKing said:
1) Home affair should introduce ID card system, which makes everyone can carry with it more easily and not easy to damage.
2) every citizen in SA should have their ID in possession ALL the time. If not, fine.
3) better security systems for SAID, now, it is too easy to make a fraudulent ID.
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4) introduce curfews
5) round up anyone who opposes the government

Hell why bother with a fine. No ID, bullet in head.
 
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