Sectional Title Responsibility

Brieuse said:
No, I wouldn't recommend this, Firstly an improvement requires a special vote.
Secondly any additional cost above maintaining the existing wood frames as they were supposed to be must be covered by the owner of the section. The sectional title budget doesn't cover for this.
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Firstly, you need to swot up on improvements. It is lawful and within the ambit of the act.
Second, the wooden windows are typically damaged by the elements, which are on the BC side of the median line. Its maintenance forms part of the 10-year MR&R plan. It is not the owners' fault if trustees did not budget for it, so raise a special levy then, and dismiss the useless trustees who don't even know what side of a paintbrush to use.
 
RonSwanson said:
Firstly, you need to swot up on improvements. It is lawful and within the ambit of the act.
Second, the wooden windows are typically damaged by the elements, which are on the BC side of the median line. Its maintenance forms part of the 10-year MR&R plan. It is not the owners' fault if trustees did not budget for it, so raise a special levy then, and dismiss the useless trustees who don't even know what side of a paintbrush to use.
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sorry, just check the youtube link I added after @15:25
 
Brieuse said:
sorry, just check the youtube link I added after @15:25
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I don't have to. PMR 29(2) details the process for "reasonably necessary improvements to the common property".
The fact is that if it can be proven that the BC did not maintain the common property (and bonus points for showing me a BC that does this), and the damage is as a result of neglected or poor maintenance, then the BC pays 100%.
 
Agent_B said:
Most owners do not want to be trustees, for us it is difficult to get anyone else to become a trustee as we ask and they decline. But then they will say at the AGM how little we can increase the levies. LOL. Before me there were only 2 trustees. At the one AGM they both suddenly stepped down and moved out the complex. They nominated me as a trustee. At first i did not want to be one but was persuaded with 2 other people. and had to learn from there. wanted to step down so many times but keep getting begged to carry on.
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The begging is that they want someone else to do the work and worrying.
 
Agent_B said:
I think the law sucks. There really should be a away to sort this without having to resort to violence to make them pay. The trustees are probably not legal expert so will rely on the legal experts to tell them what to do. I dont want to take any blame away from the trustees as some are really useless.
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Due to the incomplete and poor quality of the composition of the various acts and Prescribed Management rules, complexes tend to make up their own rules based on their interpretation of what is available in these acts to compensate for these shortcomings..
 
Starman20 said:
Quite often nobody wants to be a Trustee - why should they take on the responsibility?
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When I owned a sectional title, the trustees were once so desperate for additional members that they asked me to join. Luckily I was able to convince them that my extremely narrow skill set and specialisation, together with my ineptitude outside of my narrow skillset, has no application in the real world.
 
The newest thing now. You have a group of non owners, getting paid a fee, to interact with managing agents, employed to run the estate
 
zerocool2009 said:
The newest thing now. You have a group of non owners, getting paid a fee, to interact with managing agents, employed to run the estate
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What? I thought a trustee had to be a owner?

Long time since lived in communal and the laws.
 
Kosmik said:
What? I thought a trustee had to be a owner?

Long time since lived in communal and the laws.
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Estate managers aren't trustees (but can be). A trustee does not need to be a home owner as long as the management rules don't limit or disallow it.

Edit: Estate managers essentially handle complaints and manage service providers and small projects. In bigger estates they perform all sorts of roles...
 
Let me rephrase it ...

The managing firm handles the back office, and maybe the onsite work.
Then there are trustees, who act in good faith for the Body Corp.

So recently, a "new" term was made : Professional trustees => At a cost

They are non owners, who run the estate (and manages the managing agent / estate manager).
 
quovadis said:
Estate managers aren't trustees (but can be). A trustee does not need to be a home owner as long as the management rules don't limit or disallow it.

Edit: Estate managers essentially handle complaints and manage service providers and small projects. In bigger estates they perform all sorts of roles...
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My honest view : Would I want a non owner to make discissions on a R100 000 000 estate (nope ... sorry).
 
zerocool2009 said:
Let me rephrase it ...

The managing firm handles the back office, and maybe the onsite work.
Then there are trustees, who act in good faith for the Body Corp.

So recently, a "new" term was made : Professional trustees => At a cost

They are non owners, who run the estate (and manages the managing agent / estate manager).
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Fun. So basically just a trustee who has been authorized to receive fees/compensation.
 
zerocool2009 said:
My honest view : Would I want a non owner to make discissions on a R100 000 000 estate (nope ... sorry).
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Where I've seen it happen it's usually someone who rents in an estate or the unit is owned by a trust. And it's usually someone with some professional background ie. a chartered accountant or lawyer. I've seen my fair share of useless trustees who are owners so I have judged each on their own merits.
 
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