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Nokia’s 2011 by the numbers: $1.4bn operating loss, 77.3m smartphones and 339.8m mobiles shipped

Today, Finnish mobile giant Nokia submitted its annual SEC financial report for 2011, detailing its yearly financials, risks, forward-looking statements — generally giving us an overview of the company’s health at the end of last year.

Last year, Nokia took action to reverse its smartphone business, signing a deal with Microsoft to make its Windows Phone platform its primary smartphone operating system. Despite Nokia overhauling its strategy, it still suffered a $1.4 billion operating loss, compared its $2.74 billion profit in 2010.

Device Shipments

Nokia’s smartphone shipments reached 77.3 million units, down 25% on 2010, whilst featurephone shipments totalled 339.8 million units, a decline of 3% year-over-year. As a result of its falling mobile sales, The average selling price (ASP) of Nokia’s mobile devices fell to 75 dollars, down 11% from $85 in 2010.

As part of its partnership with Microsoft, Nokia notes that it received its first quarterly platform support payment from the Redmond-based technology giant in Q4 — totalling $250 million — with the total amount of payments expected to exceed the total amount of its software royalty commitments.

Employees

As you may have noticed via our earlier coverage, Nokia has been cutting jobs all over the world, in order to streamline its supply chain. This resulted in cuts in Finland, Mexico, Hungary and Romania, as a lot of jobs went to Asia, where Nokia’s devices are manufactured.

This meant that at the end of 2011, Nokia employed 130,050 people, which was down from 132 427 people in December 31, 2010.

Looking Forward

Nokia says that to maximise its Symbian business, it expects to focus on shipments in specific regions, through to 2016. Again, the company believes that as market conditions change and it continues to increase its focus on Windows Phone devices, it will sell fewer Symbian devices that it had previously predicted.

The company also says that its “ability to retain, motivate, develop and recruit appropriately skilled employees” may also impact its ability to compete, adding that it also has to rely on its ability to “protect numerous patented standardized or proprietary technologies from thirdparty infringement or actions to invalidate the intellectual property rights of these technologies.”

Given that it outsourced a number of its patents, and is currently receiving compensation from Apple over its intellectual property, it’s understandable that the company could also benefit from infringements on its technology.

Source http://thenextweb.com/mobile/2012/0...77-3m-smartphones-and-339-8m-mobiles-shipped/

Add to that That windows phones, dropped another % I sure hope for Nokia's sake that Windows 8 tablets would help turn things around. so far its not really looking so grate, which is a pity, we need at least 3 big names and BB seems like its not going to be one of them.
 
how is Blackberry looking at the moment?? I suspect they are are also losing market share and slipping down the hill??
 
Sad to hear this, competition is necessary to keep all players on top of their game.
 
how is Blackberry looking at the moment?? I suspect they are are also losing market share and slipping down the hill??

As a company, not so good,

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as a OS, even worse.

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If we look at the latest market numbers Android and iOS is still running away from the rest. With Microsoft dropping by 1% and RIM with 2%. I dont even want to know whats going to happen with Microsoft now that they closed Windows Mobile 6.* market place. How many of the old Mobile users will go to Windows Phone vs jumping ship we will only have to wait and see.

In my perfect world I would prefer 3 market leaders sharing 70% of the market and 30% go to the rest. Something like 20, 20 and 30% would be ideal and I don care about standing ie: WP 1st, iOS 2nd and Android 3rd or other way around, it does not phase me, just as long as its healthy and competition, and yes I think what we currently have is very unhealthy.

Market share source: comScore
 
Oh man, history always comes back a bite you hey Balmer?

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It wasn't hard to figure out. 5 years ago, 80% of people I know were using Nokia, now I'm hard pressed to remember who has a phone that isn't BB, Apple or Android.
 
The only way/time Nokia and Microsoft is going to catch up is if/when Google and Apple make a huge mistake. I cannot see that happening. Apple is very conservative with changes so the risk is very low and Google is on a very good path/trajectory with ICS and Jelly Bean. What sort of mistake can these companies make to create space for Nokia/MS in the mobile sphere? Will Windows 8 be so much better that people will leave Apple and Android? I've always said that MS should have bought RIM as it has far more potential imo.
 
The only solution in my mind is for MS, RIM and Nokia to join/integrate. The corporate sector will embrace this as it will be least disruptive. What better for business than MS products/envionment on BB and Nokia hardware on BIS-BES with BBM? Thát will be a thorn in Apple and Google's flesh.
 
Bring back Bill Gates, get rid of the #$@%^ Steve Ballmer.
 
I also think Baldie is bad for MS. Zero charm ... cold rubber dude that may be what corporates like to see at the top ... but consumers want someone with flair and energy that looks like he/she can stay in touch with the times. I will keep him close but get someone fresh.
 
If only they'd stuck to MeeGo.

That said the 2011 figures don't mean much in the bigger picture since their WP7 phones hadn't hit yet and all they had to offer was Symbian which no one but the hardcore fans wanted and then the dead before it got out of the starting gate MeeGo running N9.

I'm sure with Nokia's power behind them that WP7 phones will catch on and any possible WP8 could perhaps even be improved through Nokia's input. It's certainly too early to write either Nokia or WP7 off just yet.
 
If only they'd stuck to MeeGo.

That said the 2011 figures don't mean much in the bigger picture since their WP7 phones hadn't hit yet and all they had to offer was Symbian which no one but the hardcore fans wanted and then the dead before it got out of the starting gate MeeGo running N9.

I'm sure with Nokia's power behind them that WP7 phones will catch on and any possible WP8 could perhaps even be improved through Nokia's input. It's certainly too early to write either Nokia or WP7 off just yet.

Look again, the number I posted about in Post #6 is with Lumia sales included as it was release October 2011 and Windows Phone itself is not new, seeing that it was released second half of 2010 so in essence that is no excuse.
 
The thing is WP7 up to this point has just been an also-ran by Samsung and HTC incase someone might prefer such a device. Now however it has a whole cellphone maker completely dedicated to it and that's a completely different sort of drive. The same way Nokia made Symbian their own the could do with WP7, at least if anyone can it's Nokia. Providing MS have the good sense to keep their noses out of it.

Also October 2011, that's 3 months...out of a year...even if it was a success it wouldn't have been able to prove it in that period unless it was the only phone in all the world bought during that period. And then also take into account that it hadn't reached all markets yet.
 
The thing is WP7 up to this point has just been an also-ran by Samsung and HTC incase someone might prefer such a device. Now however it has a whole cellphone maker completely dedicated to it and that's a completely different sort of drive. The same way Nokia made Symbian their own the could do with WP7, at least if anyone can it's Nokia. Providing MS have the good sense to keep their noses out of it.

Also October 2011, that's 3 months...out of a year...even if it was a success it wouldn't have been able to prove it in that period unless it was the only phone in all the world bought during that period. And then also take into account that it hadn't reached all markets yet.

Also not true. Nokia still releasing the Symbian phones see Nokia 808 pureview. Other OEM's also still getting new Windows Phones models. Sure Nokia will focus on Windows Phones but I doubt it will be their primary focus all the time. They still need an OS for the cheap phones and yes I know the new light version of Windows Phone(Tango) is out soon, but its still not light enough for Nokia's prime income ie: dumb/feature phones.
 
Belle is just their backdoor. That and a way to prevent MS from owning their souls.

The new phones from the others are always just replacements for previous models.
 
Nokia to shut Indian mobile money service

Nokia (NOK1V.HE) will close down Nokia Money, a financial service it runs in India, as it continues to narrow its focus on its phone business and location-based services.

"The mobile financial services business is not core to Nokia so we plan to exit the business," said a spokesman for the company.

After regional launches Nokia opened the India-wide service only late last year and was planning to expand it into several other emerging markets.

Financial services are seen as one of the major business opportunities in the wireless industry but so far have become a big business only in Kenya and the Philippines, as tight regulations and the lack of a business model have restricted take-up elsewhere.

Telecom operators, banks, credit card companies and technology firms like Nokia have been fighting to get a piece of the potentially lucrative business.

"The market is crowded and the role of Nokia in that business was questionable," said John Strand, head of mobile consultancy Strand Consult.

Nokia is in the midst of revamping its operations under Chief Executive Stephen Elop, who was hired in September 2010 to turn the company round.

The company has closed down most of the mobile services launched under previous management and has also cut thousands of jobs as it continues to battle falls in its market share.

Source Reuters

And the axe keeps falling.
 
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