Sentech slams telecoms costs

Pot calling the kettle black.

Sounds like a case of the pot calling the kettle black. Lets assume that international traffic is expensive. If we could have local peering with massive cache servers locally at a lower cost then we could say that the local opeartors are doing something. Will competition help ? Not at all . Look at the cellular companies. I just got back from India. A week of roaming , made about 20 calls in total. My bill was 2800.

We are in a telecomms concentration camp in SA.
 
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“Network carriers charge Joe Soap – the ordinary citizen and consumer – high fees and then call it success,” Marumo said.
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Well I for one don't mind if Sentech criticises all of those "Network carriers", let's see who are they again, oh that's right Telkomonopoly and Sentech itself...?
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Due to confusion surrounding the telecommunications policy and regulatory framework, there is now a huge amount of grey data being carried on the Sentech and Telkom networks, he said.
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Well my response is an emulation of one of my favourite TV adverts, at the end of the advert for a certain unrelated ISP, where the lady goes "?, mpa :confused:"

What on earth is grey data? Intellectual property maybe? - as in grey matter...? Is it talk about how grey her Ivyness is & doesn't look like any of the younger people that have a clue? What on earth is grey data, someone please enlighten me...
 
Well my response is an emulation of one of my favourite TV adverts, at the end of the advert for a certain unrelated ISP, where the lady goes "?, mpa "
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she says "ubani?" really fast which means Who?
 
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every one is saying the same things it would seem - hope that there is sufficient agreement so that it actually gets listened to

anyone on the grey data story?
 
I cannot *wait* until someone body-slams telkom against a wall of competition.
 
grey data - Data that nobody is paying for simply because you cannot classify that data into a service group, and therefore cannot charge for it.

e.g. Data from international ISP's running through peering routing points using unintended bandwidth.

<Q>In a true convergence environment, broadcasting would be treated as just another service and there would only be two classes of licences, namely infrastructure and service providers.</Q>
Yup. Simple. But, that kind of setup provides no leverage for govmint to control stuff.
 
Lets hope sensux gets a licence to carry voice traffic, at least then there will be more competition for telskum which should (hopefully) bring down prices.
 
They just need to sort their latency first.
 
MaD said:
They just need to sort their latency first.
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C:\SOCIALISM>tracert market.liberalization

Tracing route to market.liberalization [ivy.gov]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms users-internet.za [0.0.0.0]
2 29 ms 29 ms 29 ms icasa.co.za [0.0.0.1]
3 15000 ms 15000 ms 15000 ms doc.gov.za [255.255.255.255]
4 * * * ivy.dumbass.gov.za [request timeout]
4 * * * ivy.dumbass.gov.za [request timeout]
4 * * * ivy.dumbass.gov.za [request timeout]
4 * * * ivy.dumbass.gov.za [request timeout]
4 * * * ivy.dumbass.gov.za [request timeout]
4 * * * ivy.dumbass.gov.za [request timeout]
4 * * * ivy.dumbass.gov.za [request timeout]
4 * * * ivy.dumbass.gov.za [request timeout]

Trace failed. Destination host unreachable.
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mmm... big problems here...
 
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Is grey data not the International sat companies with a
direct link to Europe as I discussed elsewhere?

http://www.intersatafrica.com/xstream.html
http://www.satsig.net/ivsat-africa.htm
http://www.satsig.net/constellation-networks.htm
http://www.constellationnetcorp.com/equipment.htm
http://www.globaltt.com/
http://www.gb-solution.com/
75 pounds for home user uplink/month
http://www.bentleywalker.net/
mmtelecom has a Wimax solution for you to setup your own Wisp
http://www.mmtelcom.com/
Bcsatellite prices start at 95 Euro/month. $1200 for a 1meg link
http://www.bcsatellite.net/
http://www.newerasystems.net
Many of these satellite providers provide VOIP services.

Bentlywalker: 2048k line/ $1300/month. Thus R8450/month
Contention ratio 10:1. Telkom sells a 64k internt link for R8000
Even with 10 people on at the same time, you still have 204k, which is
3 times cheaper than a Telkom leased line at worst possible contention.
Bently Entry level 512k/ $247/month
 
arf9999 said:
RFLOL.

Could you try ping universal.access.2telecoms.gov.za ? My DNS won't resolve it.
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C:\SOCIALISM>ping universal.access.2telecoms.gov.za

Resolved DNS: never.ever.in.za [255.255.255.254]
Pinging never.ever.in.za [255.255.255.254] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 255.255.255.254: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=107
Reply from 255.255.255.254: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=107
Reply from 255.255.255.254: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=107
Reply from 255.255.255.254: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=107

Ping statistics for never.ever.in.za:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 67ms, Maximum = 118ms, Average = 87ms
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mmm, just as I suspected..
 
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